After an hour of trying to figure out why someone believed in ID I finally got to a question he didn't appear to not understand. Yes I used a double negative there but that describes it better. When I asked him why he believed in ID he said he didn't know how it happened. After about 5 time of me trying to re-state the question and clarifying I started narrowing the question and adding things like "including aliens". Yeah that one was new to me... one of his answers was god could have been alien.

I think there needs to be a list of this poor excuses for logic so I'm making one.

Pascal's Wager

There needs to be a first cause (Big Bang)

God is (this thing/feeling)

My holy book says so

My religion is old

A lot of people believe

Banana = scary

Watchmaker

Morals (godly do good/atheist do bad)
- Communist
- Hitler
- Hippies (this one was a shocker to me)

Low Probability of Life means there is a creator

I had a feeling

Prayer works

Faith is enough

If I repeat it, If I repeat it, If I repeat it, If I (SLAP)

Fallacies (yes this is the catch all)

(Note: I think the forums hate the embed tags, oh well people need to view it so it gets higher on the rating system)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msfxiodoMQQ

Ok guys I am a fairly lazy person. Really I am, I need some good motivation to really do all this typing. A mean pushing all these keys and focusing on the screen is really using up a lot of energy. So how do I have one of the highest point scores? The only people who have more points then me is Sapient, MattShizzle, and todangst. Why aren't all you people sharing your thoughts?!?! If you haven't even registered WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU?!?!?! I'm the only really mean one around here, most of us have some sort regard and reverence for other peoples thoughts. I really should be in the middle somewhere...

BBC

from the whitehouse

And we get bullshit ads like this....

Sorry no I am not posting porn, but I'm sure you can find some if you really want it. Glenn Beck is waging a little war one this calling it an addiction and says it destroys families. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/beckseries/ I just finished watching a segment on Headline Prime, not his show, about the subject. So why are they reporting on this? What do these people expect to be done?

My comments in [] if stating a fact you get a link. Discrepancys between versions in () And no I don’t care if you think I’m an asshole. Also I think there should be some sort of proof of a little jimmy and his mom talking about a letter, more proof then this chain letter...

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She (Sally) jumped up as soon as she saw the surgeon come out of the operating room. She said: "How is my little boy? Is he going to be all right? When can I see him?"

The surgeon said, "I'm sorry. We did all we could, but your boy didn't make it."

Sally said, "Why do little children get cancer? Doesn't God care any more? Where were you, God, when my son needed you?" [And the set up begins...](This whole statement was added)

I saw it floating around myspace so I had to reply to it. If you read it you'll see why very quickly, and in this I didn't even talk about the fact you don't have to be christian to be american....

read it here ---> http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/1/CRB.htm

Is there such a thing? or something that might as well be called it?

Basically I want to have the knowledge of Freethinking and be able to show someone a piece of paper saying I do.

I think this would include some of the following areas:
- Philosophy: Basics, Logic, other courses my school probably doesn't have
- Theology: Basic Ideas, Main Religions, History
- Psychology/Sociology
- Biology and other sciences that would be used to back up claims

I pretty much want to become a power house in argument and wealth of information on the subject(s), although I would still need the degree that brings home the bacon.

Well in arguments over this topic people seem to ignore certain points a bring up. I would think the same would happen to other people also, but I kind of want to stick to my own experiences here.

Now I would think if I make a weak point it could easy be knocked down, so they probably would do that just to get it out of the way. Then if I make a strong point wouldn't that point be something to address as well? I have little to no formal education on these matters. So I'm pretty sure I'm not make rock solid arguments here, however the fact still remains. The fact being points are being over looked or ignored.