Israel FINALLY gets treated the way it deserves to be.
Offline Americans: Fuck your nukes. No more hypocrisy. (Obama is now officially the greatest US president in US history, bar none).
Greece has withdrawn from joint military exercises with Israel in protest at the attack on the Gaza flotilla. Athens has also barred the head of the Israeli airforce from flying to Greece.
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner says he is "deeply shocked" by the Israeli action and calls for an inquiry
Turkish foreign ministry warns Israel of irreparable damage to bilateral ties. "This deplorable incident, which took place in open seas and constitutes a fragrant breach of international law, may lead to irreparable consequences in our bilateral relations," a statement read.
Sweden summons the Israeli ambassador to Stockholm over the "unacceptable" action
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The instigator is always the other guy.
Again, you see them as that. But they don't see themselves that way. To call them the "evil" is to place them in a sub human catigory. You cannot tell me that all people of any label by proxy of geographics are all the same. Anymore than all atheists are the same. It is a zeitgeist that causes their policies based upon the fear of being attacked.
No different than if your neighborhood suffers a rash of home robberies, ,many will buy guns to defend themselves. Israel's population is supporting the iron fist policies, not because they should, but because they don't like being attacked. They see it as much easier to hit back harder than they were hit, to send the message. That is not a conspiracy, it is merely a bad policy that does not take into account the cycle of human suffering it causes on both sides.
There is no conspiracy on either side. There are simply humans reacting to the suffering of those close to them. Bot sides see themselves as the victim and both sides see themselves as the good guy while the other is the bad guy. Once humans get to that point in any conflict in human history, it is very easy to treat the other as a separate species, thus making it easier to kill.
Vaset, the closest I can come to agreeing with you is to say that their policies are not working anymore than suicide bombing and lobbing rockets at Israel is working for Palestine. I refuse to see either side as the victim considering how long this religious gang "tit for tat" mentality has victimized the brains of both sides. Humans are doing this to each other.
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It violates at least three types or layers of rationality:
1) logical: logical conclusion of the principle is "taking out" all nations on Earth, since there will always be "the most x, y and z nation" available, as long as there are any.
2) pragmatical: result is a huge uncertainty in the area and consequently globally. As human pragmatism goes, not many things are considered good that come out of huge uncontrolable happenings, so tossing dice in that manner is highly irrational. In short - you have no idea what happens next and its probably not going to be good.
3) relevance: holding a position that is both logically untenable and pragmatically ludicrous makes your engagement hastily irrelevant in all but the most fringe of debates and activities. It is not rational to minimize one's ability to be taken seriously.
Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.
Don't think I won't condemn all sides of the middle eastern conflicts equally. The difference here is about 70 years of hypocrisy and bullshit that needs to end.
You are presenting a straw man. Israel has the power. Cliche it may be, but with power comes responsibility. As things stand, the Palestinians are freedom fighters, trying to protect their people, property, and land from an oppressor who has never relented since they first won. History is repeating itself. RECENT HISTORY. Think what happened after WWI. What was happening to Germany? Germany rose up overnight and practically took the whole world because outsiders forced conditions that were intolerable. It wasn't the only reason for WWII, but it was those circumstances that led so many people to join and collaberate with a reprisal.
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You are presenting as my argument a false dichotomy based on an offhand comment and ignoring everything I've said on the subject in the past. You fail.
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I actually had missed your suggestion that I'd be for nuking them all in the mess you call a post. > >
Simply said, that is not something I'd advocate at this time.
And the Americans too.
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But that's not the point. I've mentioned hypocrisy a number of times. Allowing Israel nuclear technology, in fact giving it to them, but denying everyone else in the area is ridiculous.
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And yet everyone but you fails to see the ridicule...
... save for maybe A_Nony_Mouse.
Reality>Ideology
Realism>Idealism
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
I'd troll you back but you aren't good enough at it to be a challenge. You just bore me.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
I trolled you? Sure.
Obama? That dude's not even a freaking president dude, he's a douchebag and a joke and a phony. And you're too worshipping of a man to call yourself an atheist (you must be if you're in this page.) Israel is right, Islamic fascists are wrong.
wow...debate much?
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
I feel compelled to bite my tongue, all of the sudden.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
why on earth would you do that? by all means, let loose.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
I prefer my Iwbiek booze-battered; easier to tease, bully, provoke, 'verbally rape', and generally... inflict pain/anguish upon for my sick amusement.
What I was hinting at, was that you don't appear willing to have the foundations of your philosophy, outlook on life, and general worldview directly challenged/attacked/brutalized.
I suppose I keep mine own fluid most of the time for that very reason.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
Trolling is the only thing you've done here.
A glorious example of stupidity.
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And believe me, I kind of wish they would give me credit for it, already. That way I could claim to... well, I'll let everyone figure it out, eventually.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
i figured that's what you were hinting at, and i'm still waiting for a concrete example.
at the moment, i'm debating whether or not hebrew developed organically. if you really think that constitutes my "philosophy, outlook on life, and general worldview," you're welcome to it.
booze never battered me, btw. i love booze. and if you think you can "inflict pain/anguish" on a man after a fifth of rum, you really are delusional.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
There he goes again... knowing only what's readily apparent and in front of his nose, while missing the bigger picture.
I've discovered far too many RRS'ers are like that, actually.
But at least there are a good dozen-and-a-half* that have Keirsey's Perception and Intuition characteristics down pat... while still keeping their heads firmly planted in reality.
Back to my original point:
Iwbiek, I've noticed it's pretty easy to 'burn' you when someone challengs/mocks your core values and beliefs (as well as some of your heroes -none the least of which is Trotsky.) It may be alcohol/diminished inhibition-related, I can't verify that on any level -nor do I care all that much. All I know is the ease in which one person can send you into a hissy fit -something that's becoming one of my favorite past times, and... or so it could be argued... doing so excites me in a rather perverse manner.
My first thoughts when clicking on the "RRS" bookmark: "time to spank that cute little Iwbiek and listen to him ssqqquueeeaaallll... as I 'pull the wings off of' him!" 
In any case, you're quite a bit more emotional and easily provoked as a person than you'll readily admit... I'm not sure why you even bother denying it.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
And I've proven, yet again, that I'm sometimes better off not saying anything about my motives. Oh well
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
ho-hum. still waiting for examples...
btw, no one on this site in my memory has ever "mocked" trotsky, nor have i ever reacted in a "burnt" way to such hypothetical mocking. fact is, i haven't so much as mentioned trotsky in over a year, except to acknowledge one of kevin's posts where he quotes him, and to address this same tired accusation you keep making.
but the invitation is always open to prove me wrong. otherwise, you remain a delusional mediocrity who, like all mediocrities, is a legend in his own mind.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
I never mocked Trotsky? (ha! Holy creamed shit man!)
Re-read it until it makes sense, numbnuts.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
evidently not effectively enough to stick in my mind. i mean, to mock something effectively you have to know something about it.
i do remember you calling me a "trotsky cheerleader" once, which technically was mocking me, though also ineffectively. i'm still waiting for a concrete example of me talking about trotsky in any significant way since you joined this site, much less "cheering" him.
yeah, that's what they told us about finnegan's wake. some things just make no sense in the first place. the problem is, some people mistake their own inability to make sense for others' inability to understand how much of genius they are. that would be you, fucktard.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
So... huhmmm. You portray someone who upsets easily but when called on it, you simply play a game of "PROOVE IT!", instead???
Too cute...
(Yes, I did)
Full of shit... is having a bruised ego and being to proud to admit it; now or in the past.
You first, chumley...
"Challenging" is knowing someone who's ego tends to bruise easily and yet is too proud to admit it -all the while having emotional maturity of an 8-year-old, and yet behaving like everyone else has the 'attitude problem'.
You ask me for proof of your constant emotional excitability;
I am going to now ask you for proof of your Rationality*!
Because that is something even an "ultra-leftist" like Vastet has in abundance. You on the other hand, seem to have a tremendous vacuum where everyone else has their ability to reason; it is almost as if you let your emotions think for you!!!
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
* Five of the nine dead died of close range head shots. They were executed. MURDERED if that is not clear enough.
* The Marmara was attacked outside of the exclusion zone Israel declared. The attack would have been lawful inside the exclusion zone. The passengers acted lawfully in attempting to repel boarders.
* The Marmara had been inspected for weapons in Cyprus. Israel knew there were no weapons on the Marmara. Israel knows what is going on in strictest secrecy hundreds of feet underground in Iran. The flotilla ships were loaded in daylight with news coverage invited. Israel knew there were no weapons.
* While claiming to embargo only weapons, only 114 different items were allowed into Gaza in limited quantities. In this list are all foods and medicines and medical equipment.
* Clothing is prohibited. Construction materials are prohibited. Exports are prohibited.
* Toys are prohibited entry as collective punishment of children as are school books and school supplies.
* We have learned for a fact the claim of weapons embargo is a lie.
* In March 2009 Israel announced the blockade would be eased using almost the same words as the announcement this week. It is reasonable to assume this year's announcement is as much a lie as last year's announcement. We also know the announcement the blockade would be eased was only made in English. The Hebrew version said no such thing. This also indicates they are lying again.
* Sunday, 27 June 2010, Israel confiscated six oxygen concentrators destined for West Bank hospitals which extended the medical blockade to the West Bank.
* Israel has officially withdrawn the first two tapes which were played on the world news after they were shown to be deliberate forgeries.
* Mocking the murdered "We con the World" was disavowed after being released by Israel.
* The one broadcast from the victims on the Marmara shows they were fired upon by Israel before any boarding was attempted.
* No claim of a terrorist connection goes deeper than Israeli propaganda. Hasbara == Isreality
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Tell me this much Nony; do you see it as a positive sign that President Obama has called for an "independent investigation" into the Gaza Flotilla incident? (disregarding Netanyahu's refusal for the moment...)
Meaning, specifically: he wants there to be an Israeli probe with a US observer.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
Please stop splitting hairs. "Anti-Semite" is widely known to mean "anti-Jewish". You know that, I know that, everyone knows that.
no, just you and a couple other irritating trolls like mind over matter and epistemologist. with the majority of people on this site, i'm perfectly civil, or a bit testy at most on my worst days. you know it and you omit it. score for me.
and it is you who have the attitude problem, among myriad others
well, really i ask you for proof that you have challenged my "general outlook," that i have gone to pieces in the face of that challenge, and specifically that i have rabidly defended trotsky.
but fine, we'll go your addled way: you haven't even proved this. you've only proved that i have little patience with pesky twerps who have delusions of intellectual superiority. in my opinion, that is a perfectly rational reaction.
still, if your definition of "rational" is "not getting pissed off at self-important idiots," i gladly admit i'm irrational.
there. you have your victory. you can go in the corner and play with it.
no, you win. have fun. don't forget to use caps lock, bold face, underline, and italics liberally.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
I don't think so.....
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3809043,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_atheists
anti-jewish ? ...you mean like Martin Luther and his religious progeny ? ..or perhaps just the Catholic Church ?
http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/church/persecution/
http://www.racematters.org/papalapology.htm
At first Obama made noises about independent but not a word in weeks.
Israel has started an internal investigation with out authority and without a US observer. It is unclear why there would be an observer. What are they going to do but waste their time? The two powerless observers are from Ireland and Canada. I have found no objection to this official whitewash from the US at any level.
The first meeting was Monday. The head of it apparently demanded the power to compel testimony from anyone, require oaths with penalty of perjury, and to look into subjects other than why Israel was lily white and pure else he would resign. No changes have been announced.
Netanyahu will be in the US to meet with Obama on Tues 6 July for what that is worth.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
It has long been my observation that a word's meaning is derived from its use in context not by either its plain reading or by its dictionary meaning.
Thus the word antisemite refers to someone Jews hate as the context of usage does not differ from MuthaF or bastard.
There is no question its meaning has come to apply to anyone who is not both a Jew and does not bury criticism of Israel in a heap of praise. In practice it means no matter what Israel does it must be understood in context of the mythical persecution of Jews for the last six million years.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Trotsky is dead. Therefore he is the only kind of good communist there is.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Be sure to edit that post before Iwbiek sees it.
Now I need to dig up the old video of Muammar al-Qaddafi publicly scoffing at Mein Kampf.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
i see it. yawn...
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson