Giving Food to Church
Offline Hey Everyone,
I just signed up, intro is in intro post.... I would really like to get your opinions on a subject thats been bothering me for a few weeks....
If you had canned foods or other non-perishable items would you give them to a church to help feed the hungry or would you go out of your way to find a homeless shelter....
I think I would just give it to the church since it is for a good cause.... Do morals come into play or does Atheism vs Religion come into play? Please I would love to hear your feedback on this matter....
Thanks,
PosingOwl
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Offline My "minimum requirements" when donating to =any= charitable organization is that they accept all comers, regardless of race, color, creed, national origin =or= religion. The only thing that should matter is =need=.
That said, my #1 recipient of charitable giving is a Christian organization (I'm not a Christian) and the last time I hooked up with a group whose name indicated they were a religious organization it was Associated Catholic Charities (I've never been a Catholic).
Within the Christian group I give time to, there have been Atheists who've tried to get the group to be more "Atheist friendly" (or whatever ...) but with so many non-Christians in the group, they have a very weak argument that it is, in fact, even a Christian charity to begin with ...
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
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"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
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TG!
My brother from another mother!
Hope you are feeling better, my friend. I'm sure others missed you as much as I did.
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
http://atheisticgod.blogspot.com/ Books on atheism
"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
http://atheisticgod.blogspot.com/ Books on atheism
I'm glad that you found us, and I'm even more glad that you could be here with us again, brother, while you are fighting.
You are a true warrior, my friend. A giant to overcome the forces that tried to cage your mind, and now that try and weaken your body.
"Fight the good fight" my brother.
One of the best versions you will ever hear of this song, live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7goTCQgmNLQ
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
http://atheisticgod.blogspot.com/ Books on atheism
While I would much prefer to donate to a secular organisation myself, I have no problem donating to, or accepting donations from, a church if that is all that is available (I regularly donate to a Catholic run charity store, after all). One way or another, people gotta eat, get clothes, or whatever. I'm more about helping someone in need than anything.
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To the OP's question:
If it was food, clothes or any other essential other than money, yeah, I would donate to a church if it was either the only choice or if the church could provide any evidence that they are more efficient and honest than any other charity available, which I have actually, since the former padre at the local church was a rather sweet man, who allowed the handling of the resources collected by his church open to review for anyone (as a fun fact, he was the guy who baptised me).
The current guy however, he likes his silver more, and openly favors cash donations instead of the actual goods. Funny that.
And suddenly, right from reality, down came evidence to blow unsubstantiated assertions clear out of the water!
http://www.foundationbeyondbelief.org/
http://earthward.org/index.shtml
http://www.engenderhealth.org/our-work/
http://www.atheistcentre.in/default.html
http://www.atheistshelpingthehomeless.org/
https://secure.americanhumanist.org/SSLPage.aspx?pid=288
Feel the evidence, Jean, feel it! Feel it burn!
So let me get this straight, you admittedly hope that he becomes a neglectful father, to the very detriment of his family, just to see your point proven, his child be damned?
Please tell us this was just a failed attempt to tax your caveman mindset into producing humor, otherwise, you could be dangerously close to the definition of sociopathy.
And regarding that whole gay guy thing, hi, I'm gay too, and I've had the most wonderful relationship with my boyfriend of 4 years now, who has taught me just how much I could love another human being, and made my life better in inconmensurable ways.
The reason I bring this up is to ask you a question: Is your mental conditioning so deeply rooted that you can't see, even for a moment, the happiness of a couple you frown upon, when they do the simplest of things as looking at each other and smiling at who they see, perhaps even share it or feel good for them?
If you can't, well, you're one sorry bastard, and I would pity you if you weren't so death set in appearing as contemptible you do.
Now if you excuse me, I've got someone I would like to make a bit happier with a snuggling hug
Lenore, The Cute Little Dead Girl. Twice as good as Jesus.
What a coincidence, as my first impression of YOUR avatar was that it was someone supporting himself against the wall while being sucked off by a dude in an alley (what with the pensive way he's looking over his shoulder to see if anyone (else) is coming).
"TRBB - Changing the attitude of the forums one thread at a time." - KSti
I don't recall that scene in "Luther".
ciarin.com
Never heard of it...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309820/
ciarin.com
ROFL, now that you mention it, I see it too.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
Weird how people see what they want to see.
@OP: Well, I suppose I'd have to do a little bit of cost/benefit analysis. I'd want to know what level of need there was in an area and how the particular church distributes their stuff, then compare it to the additional cost of going to a secular charity (and I'd need to know how efficient both the church and the secular charity were).
A lot of times Catholic charities are very secular, the Catholics have lots of very good services that aren't tied directly to preaching. If there was high need and the church ran things fairly cleanly I wouldn't have any big qualms about donation. All things being equal I'd support the secular place, but things aren't usually equal.
So I'm with cj on this one. I'm not too militant or proud to use religious organizations if it makes the most sense from my secular perspective. I'd be a total ass if I was responsible for a kid going hungry because of my pride.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0
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Hi Albed,
You're a fag too? Exhibit G. The more you know about atheists lives, the more absurd and disgusting they are realized. Atheism is everything immoral, disgusting and filthy. I have gotten an A - G analysis in 2 days.
Look, I want you guys to be the best atheists you can be. That includes being a dead beat dad, and murdering your family, along with going nutty nuts in an institution. If you are not doing this, you suck at being an atheist.
So since you suck so bad at being an atheist, trust in Jesus, repent for your nutty nuts behavior, and thus Jesus will help you not be so disgusting and nuts.
Otherwise, be the best atheist you can be and start running from the law. If you turn yourself in, that means you have a conscience which is inconsistent atheism.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Haha! That's a great song. I like the Glee version better though.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
You know, even God hates the Horde.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
LMAO, ok, that was funny, I actually spit coffee when I read that.
lol... man, you crack me me up Jean
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
Oh that's a shame. One wonders why you guys haven't shipped him down to Trollville then if he isn't capable of, or willing to engage in, genuine discussion.
Maybe he just needs educating?
Jean love: if you're reading this, the following might help you, dear:
"You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough."
How very refreshing. Logical, concise, no crossed lines!
Too bad more people don't follow it - though I confess to occasionally crossing over into "it's not a discussion" territory myself. I try to curb my enthusiasm.....
edit: PS: If you are the author, I'm impressed. If you found it somewhere else, its great that you found it. May I use it elsewhere? Not on this forum as I wouldn't want to steal your thunder.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
Someone posted it on the AN; feel free to use it as you wish, it has been doing the rounds on the internet, fab piece of work that it is.
And I've no issue with you using it on here either, dear. Far from it.
"You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough."
I'm pretty sure it's just a caricature for entertainment purposes...
"TRBB - Changing the attitude of the forums one thread at a time." - KSti
I really like it, thumbs up!
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
Pretty much.
Although if he keeps pushing the fag thing and attacking Brian37 so personally he'll probably get put there at some point. Personal attacks will get people locked into the troll forum, so will spamming and copy-paste, but just acting like a loon won't. So far he's been so over the top and funny about it no-one's really brought it up.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
The gay bashing thing is the first time that he actually got some reaction out of me, though I'm used to religious nuts being homophobic, my best friend is gay and he's had to deal with some of that shit first hand. It's still just talk, but it makes me feel a bit like kicking him in the teeth... just a little.
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
Thanks.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
Gay bashing has become de rigueur amongst the so-called christians. It would be perfectly within character if he is a poe. I'm not into bashing people for any reason except deliberate ignorance.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
Well, he doesn't have any marketable skills.
Unless the ability to covert oxygen to carbon dioxide, has become a commodity...
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
I hear vegetables are always looking for a good carbon dioxide producer. They would be on the same wavelength intellectually also.
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
Meh, I'm pretty much used to it by now, but then again, I don't get a lot of it in real life since the only people who know are my parents and friends. Besides, internet insults loose much of their weight after a while, specially when the one hurling them is so inconsequential as our respectful Jean here, who is either just a poe or is simply a fully realized product of his beliefs.
Lenore, The Cute Little Dead Girl. Twice as good as Jesus.
and the thread is about jean now rather than donations of food.
/annoyed
I dont mind, made up my mind about it a few days ago.... Love to see people going back and forth....
No, the thread is about donations of food and we happen to be talking about Jean. If you have something to add to the discussion about donations of food in this thread I would encourage you to do so.
"TRBB - Changing the attitude of the forums one thread at a time." - KSti
Jean is the thread stealing ninja.
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
It's on the first page before Jean's attention whoring.
ciarin.com
She's a self appointed 'fresh air inspector'.
Not being called upon, never stops them.
And paradoxically, they can't smell their own 'stink'...
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
I think if your going to give your canned goods to a church at least write on the labels "god free" or anything. This way the people receiving this dont thing that the church and god fearing people are donating all of these foods.
quote=PosingOwl]
Hey Everyone,
I just signed up, intro is in intro post.... I would really like to get your opinions on a subject thats been bothering me for a few weeks....
If you had canned foods or other non-perishable items would you give them to a church to help feed the hungry or would you go out of your way to find a homeless shelter....
I think I would just give it to the church since it is for a good cause.... Do morals come into play or does Atheism vs Religion come into play? Please I would love to hear your feedback on this matter....
Thanks,
PosingOwl