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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Vastet wrote:

It would also be annoying for me to have to take his place as the biggest detractor of Israel on the site. :P

The only detractor of exported tyranny on this site.

Everyone else here thinks it is a great idea for Palestine and Israel to stop the occupation of each other's country. They are hopelessly delusional and unconnected with reality.

the only detractor of exported tyranny for the side you like on this site - get your facts straight. 

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Vastet wrote:

Alignment is hardly relevant. You don't need 2, and only 2, sides to have a WW. You could have 5 or 6 for all that sides matter. At any rate, I said WWIII would happen first (before either side could commit genocide as the context), not that WWIII was about to begin. And leave the nukes out of it. Israel will never nuke Palestine. It's too close. The only way either side could even attempt genocide is conventionally.

Genocide has a legal definition. It does not cover Jews or Palestinians no matter how you look at it or try to contort it.

There is only one three sided war in history but at the moment which is was escapes me. There have been no wars with more than three. Miracles do not happen to support beliefs.

The issue here is simply the number of Israeli nukes. They are expensive to produce and expensive to own as they are high maintenance weapons. You don't just warehouse them. They have to be constantly monitored and maintained.

The Cold War overkill was three per target. There are not 80 credible targets in all the middle east if you count from Tunisia to Iran. Therefore it is intended to target Europe which includes Russia.

That means Israel's Sampson strategy is suicide by cop.

Genocide is mass murder. Blowing up buses which contains mass amounts of people is mass murder. So all you and they are doing is childish tit for tat crap.

I am sick of both sides claiming to be the victim. It is way after the fact and far beyond any victims at this point. There are just perpetrators stuck in a neandrothol(sp) alpha male power struggle.

Brian37 wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

Blowing up busses of unarmed civilians isn't a crime? I must have the wrong dictionary.

As you know buses are military assets why would you say think it is other than lawful?

As all the bus attacks have been against buses with uniformed IDF on board what is your pretend problem? In fact loitering around a bus stop until someone in uniform arrives for a free ride under IDF contract is one of the signs jews watch for.

Please tell me why you would pretend they are not lawful targets.

I know you can't do that. You have to stick with the "they are both the same" script your employer requires you to follow.

In human history, from the cave gods, to the polytheists to the monotheists, there never has been or ever will be "lawful targets" there will only be humans claiming moral superiority and claim it to be law.

Its easy to kill when you "know" you are right.

It is incredible anyone, even you, would make such an incredibly ignorant post which is so obviously false on its face. It is difficult to find "pacifists" fanatical enough to claim foreigners who are murdering you and stealing your property are not lawful targets. It is impossible to find a Jew who does not consider anyone who fights back not to be a lawful target.

Careful. You cannot deviate from the script again so soon without pissing off your boss again.

 

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Vastet wrote:

It would also be annoying for me to have to take his place as the biggest detractor of Israel on the site. :P

The only detractor of exported tyranny on this site.

Everyone else here thinks it is a great idea for Palestine and Israel to stop the occupation of each other's country. They are hopelessly delusional and unconnected with reality.

the only detractor of exported tyranny for the side you like on this site - get your facts straight. 

If you can produce another example of exported tyranny in the world please name it.

There is only one exported tyranny in the world at the moment. And that one is Jewish. I have said the same to previous silly claims. Why do you want to look like a silly Jew? Why are you a silly Jew? Are you not the one who has no respect for your wife or was that someone else?

Why in the fuck would an atheist deliberately misrepresent jewish tyranny instead of using it as a horrible example of the consequences of religion?

A better question might by how anyone after reading what I have posted could possibly make such a post. Your avatar has read many and tried this approach before and been shot down by the same response before.

How could you possibly repeat the same nonsense response which you know was exposed as nonsense if in fact you are the same person? You have a limited range of answers all of which have to suggest Altzheimer's for the absence of short term memory.

OR ask your handler about Operation Daisy. I can determine the IP of people who post without access to the logs of this website. Must I start doing this as was done with the Shin Bet's Daisy?

So easy...

Hamas isn't building weapons on their own, are they? They're screwing the people they're supposed to serve because they want a two-state solution as much as the Israeli government does.

Make it harder next time, Matt.

Make what harder? Are you claiming Hamas is exporting tyranny to Israel? Are you an idiot or are you claiming something else? Please be specific, Daisy. Tell me how the army of Hamas rules Israel.

What a tool.

Did you forget that Hamas is governing from Syria? Are there even Palestinians in the organization?

They're exporting tyranny to Palestine against Palestinians - but I guess that's OK because they're not Jewish, right?

Yes, Matt. You are a tool - you are the best friend Israel has ever had. You just haven't figured it out yet. 

 

Brian37 wrote:

I am sick of both sides claiming to be the victim. It is way after the fact and far beyond any victims at this point. There are just perpetrators stuck in a neandrothol(sp) alpha male power struggle.

As you KNOW, the JEWS declared themselves to be the aggressors when they declared their intention to wipe Palestine off the map.

Are you so desperate for money that you have to keep looking like an ignorant asshole for your paymaster?

Have you no self-respect? Why not?

 

Brian37 wrote:

The more I listen to people like Noony and his counterparts, the more I know that neither side really seems to want this to end.

Brian, I have listened to you for years and I can not believe you have not moved an inch on this. Year after year it becomes clearer that we are dealing with mass murder of children here. Who cares what Hamas does. Do they have nukes, gunships, tanks and warships??? No, they are fucking insignificant.

You should IGNORE actions of Hamas, because they are inconsequential. You should focus on what YOU can do, because this is the best place to focus on. For people in US it is fairly clear: stop supporting Israel in everything they do and demand that they comply with international law, REGARDLES of what Hamas does! Simple as that.

Come on man, you can't seriously tell me that you equate 1400 civilian deaths, 350 of which were children, in 20 days to 14 Israeli deaths, of which 9 were soldiers!?!? This is the kind of incidents we are dealing with. Israeli casualties are simply a side effect of engaging in massively risky behavior. They would get 14 deaths if they were building a large bridge in hasardous terrain, let alone rolling into civilian areas and shooting everything that moves. Wake the fuck up.

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I can check your range date later if you want.

However, Iran has a heavy water plant. That tells us that they are trying for plutonium.

I grant the political dimension of the Iran situation but why did the IAEA fail to find “hot boxes” at the research reactor?

Politics aside, there is really not a question that they are trying to go nuclear. They are lying about their intentions but they are going to have the big bomb before much longer.

Really though, drawing circles on maps is kind of useless. Who would ever build a plutonium factory without the plan in place to get the bombs outside of their own country?

They have them. Putting their back to the wall is a risk that none of the permanent members of the UN will ever consider. A total shutdown of the nation is not going to happen. Hence the reason why we have been dancing around with them for decades.

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Excuse me but what does sand NIGGER imply to you? That is a jewish expression to describe all Arabs. It has been around for decades. I object to it and it is "off your fucking rocker" to object to calling Palestinians sand NIGGERS. Please explain your position in greater detail.

Why is it you do NOT condemn it? Because you are another bigoted Jew pretending to be an atheist.

Um, where did I ever call Arabs "sand niggers"? And who said I wouldn't condemn it?

His behavior reminds me of the original Star Trec episode with the pair of guys in white/black face during the entire episode trying to kill each other. He should watch that episode.

He is so stuck on boarders and labels and so wrongfully full of hate that he cannot see that all conflicts are because of mundane human psychology and mundane human behavior. They were long before even any written riligion, and they will be so in the future when future humans are fighting over a different and new made up magic man surrounded by different borders.

He doesn't understandm neither do far too many Isrealis that problems do not get solved through more of the same.

It is one thing to stand up for yourself. It is quite wrong though to assume an eye for an eye benefits either side.

Nony, you do not know me. The extent of my “izzy loving” is the fourth generation Ashkenazi woman who has been taking to pork sword for 27 years. I condemn all of the crap that is going on over there all around.

I am a Celt. The Romans had to build a wall across what is now England to keep us from butt fucking them. The red sea pedestrians? Well, they got fucked on the deal. However, they have the land today under international law. That and probably about 450 nukes. They ain't going anywhere regardless of how you feel.

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Indeed Watcher, the Palestinians were not well regarded in the middle east before the emergence of Israel. Basically, sand niggers who live in the least useful scrap of dessert in the region. They had, through honest work, developed the region about as well as Africans.

Then too, as I constantly remind Nony, the fact of international law is that any scrap of land belongs to whomever won the last battle, not to the losers. That being said, they did not fight all that much for it. They kind of had the lion's share handed to them by the zombie League of Nations that was trying to establish that the UN was capable of useful activity.

I have a couple of thoughts on how the international community can actually fix this.

One: Bring Israel into NATO. Under the NATO treaty, an attack on any NATO nation is an attack on all NATO nations. The Turks will be extremely displeased because they will be the first responders when Hamas decides to wave their dicks.

Why should I ignore what Hamas does?

What do you think they would do if they got their own state? They would not suddenly become pluralistic and protect dissent. So asking me to allow that to happen is absurd.

Palestine has it within their power to reject the dogmatism of their leaders which is causing Isrealls actions and giving them the excuse to commit the horrible acts they do. But that will never get me to support the rise of a fascist state.

NOW if Palestine wants to prove me wrong the can and believe me I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.

That would be like asking me to allow Texas to cede from the Union if they wanted to set up a Constitution swearing an oath to Jesus with Pat Robertson as president. It would be The Christian state of Texas and all non-Christians would be forced to the back of the bus.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but that doesn't mean I should support an end goal that would not be secular or pluralistic.

As far as I am concerned BOTH are using their tribal politics and tribal labels to make excuses for what they do. But the one that has the most power to "be the bigger man" isn't doing it. If Palestine wants to be "the bigger man" then they have to give up on the idea of Islamic law running their state. It would be a sharp contrast to show how stupid a "Jewish state" is.

Your solution is short term and will not, stop the on going beef, long term. It will just create a fence to where both sides can rack up weapons and reasons to kill each other. It will cause MORE death long term, not less.

I don't like Israeli jets launching rockets at schools where children get murderd. But that will never constitute me supporting a theocracy.

So IF IF IF IF IF IF, you our Noony want to prove me wrong, I would love it. What I won't do is give in to the designs of people who would not respect the rights of the minority.

Secularism and pluralism is why I can be an open atheist in a Christian majority. NO non-Muslim in a Palestinian state would be protected UNLESS they had a government written declaration. Do not ask me to support that just because I sympathize with the suffering of some in Palestine. It is up to them to reject fascism and theocracy and declare and protect secularism and pluralism.

SO PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS PROVE ME WRONG BY WORKING ON THAT.

jcgadfly wrote:

leave them both the hell alone. Maybe they'd grow up then.

Yes, we should leave the rapist and his victim alone in the dark alley. Maybe they will grow up then.

I know.  I'm a terrible human being. 

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Watcher wrote:

ZuS wrote:

Look, dude, let's forget the avatar for a while. Yea, religion is a bullshit story, but so is the islamic takeover of the world.

 I agree.   The one topic I am least logical about is Islam.   Burn them all.   They will never reason with non-muslims.   Burn their bodies to the ground.

You make Hitler look like a moderate, a liberal even.

Wow, for someone who  calls me a Jew as a slur, and for someone who equates some support of Israel to total support of Israel "Izziehugers" I find this laughable.

It would fall on def ears(yours) to agree with you that that comment was way out of line.

Hitler in the propaganda sense of course. One can list certainly personality traits which are more common in liberals than conservatives. For example, anti-smoking, tea-totaller, vegetarian, animal rights advocate, universal health care, pro minimum wage and maximum hours per week, pro union, all of which Hitler was. He was also a staunch advocate of the rights of people of German descent in other countries making a human rights advocate albeit a limited one.

So yes, he really was a liberal by his personal and his domestic political policies. Yes, I know they burned books but after the war the Allies conducted the greatest book burning in human history so even there he was a piker.

OTOH we have here a man talking about the mas extermination of 1,200,000,000 people majority of whom have no connection with "arabs" by geography, descent or culture. So in again in comparison to the geopoltiical bugaboo you can divide that number by the magic number and see he is 200 times worse.

So what? you ask. He is from Texas. Look what kind of people they elect. Who knows what he might be when he grows up.

So? I agree, comments like his are frightening. But you don't solve the issue by suggesting ridding the Constitution of the biggest and most important anti-monopoly law "no religious test" out of the Constitution.

Hitler created a monopoly and would shit on "no religious test". He had a religious test in the form of dogmatic absolute state party called the Nazi party. Nazism was a religion.

You don't prevent absolute power by combating it with "never" statements.

The free market of ideas has to protect even the nuttiest of claims. You combat that nuttiness by using the same market they use. Demands of silence don't work. You silence people through blasphemy and scrutiny and by pointing out the absurdity of their claims. All setting up taboos does is piss people off.

Someone can make very scary statements. But they cant gain absolute power unless you create a litmus test.

North Korea has a "litmus test" in their form of communism. Iran has a "litmus test" in their state religion of Shiite Islam. The Constitution forbids litmus tests which is why pluralism exists and remains protected. It allows for power to shift, without that power becoming stagnant and absolute.

The best humanity can do is create a government where it is impossible for absolute power to take hold. "Never" statements are what fascist states like Hitler and Iran and USSR created.

Stand up for yourself, but never demand the silence of those who hate you or blaspheme you. And never assume that because some of a certain label do, conflate that to all in that label agreeing merely because they share the same label.

I get down on atheists who say "don't demonize atheists". I say to those who do want to demonize me, go for it. I'll simply use the same free market to verbally hand your ass to you.

There are better ways of silencing bigots than using law to do so.

Imagine if you were standing next to a "Jew" and getting along with that individual, how rediculous the idiot Jews who call Arabs "sand niggers" would look. Imagine how many more Jews would tell their own to shut the fuck up.

You don't win by force, you win by example.

If you want peace SHOW them you want it, don't demand it. Lead by example, not force. And again, I would tell them the same.

Pissing contests and demands are what keep this going. Lip service is what I am seeing from both sides and neither is SHOWING through action, that they want anything real.

I, for one, am glad for Nony's constant vigilance in the face of the Zionist threat.  Just this morning, I caught my Jew-roommate eating a baby that was, by the packaging information, imported fresh from Palestine. 

from: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/impunity-war-crimes-gaza-southern-israel-recipe-further-civilian-suffering-20090...

"Operation 'Cast Lead': 22 days of death and destruction" ... "The scale and intensity of the attacks on Gaza were unprecedented. Some 300 children and hundreds of other unarmed civilians who took no part in the conflict were among the 1,400 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces."

During the same time 14 Israeli got killed, 9 of who were soldiers. And that is basically standard ratio.

So I guess the victim scratched the rapist, and people who want to push that under the rug call her an axe murderer. Go fuck yourself, douchebag.

As the invasion wound down Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni declared that it had
“restored Israel’s deterrence ... Hamas now understands that when you fire on
[Israel’s] citizens it responds by going wild—and this is a good thing.” The
day after the ceasefire Livni bragged on Israeli television that “Israel
demonstrated real hooliganism during the course of the recent operation,
which I demanded.”

A former Israeli defense official told the International Crisis Group that
“with an armada of fighter planes attacking Gaza, Israel decided to play the
role of a mad dog for the sake of future deterrence,” while a former senior
Israeli security official boasted to the Crisis Group that Israel had
regained its deterrence because it “has shown Hamas, Iran and the region
that it can be as lunatic as any of them.”

“The Goldstone Report, which claimed that Israel goes crazy when it is being
attacked, caused us some damage,” a leading Israeli commentator on Arab
affairs observed, “yet it was a blessing in our region. If Israel goes crazy
and destroys everything in its way when it is being attacked, one should be
careful. No need to mess with crazy people.”

“There is no genuine difference between a pre-meditated attack against
civilians (or civilian objects) and a reckless disregard of the principle of
distinction” between civilians (or civilian objects) and combatants (or
military objects), according to Israel’s leading authority on international
law, Yoram Dinstein—“they are equally forbidden.”

Kavis wrote:

I, for one, am glad for Nony's constant vigilance in the face of the Zionist threat.  Just this morning, I caught my Jew-roommate eating a baby that was, by the packaging information, imported fresh from Palestine. 

And in today's Haaretz I found a report of the PM of Israel preparing to commit another string of war crimes in the occupied territories. I also read of a criminal (and fake) archaeological excavation and tourist attraction being set up by Jews in occupied Jerusalem. I also read two articles relating to West Bank crime where the combined IDF, Shin Bet and border police are unable to find Jewish criminals but managed to extract confessions from Palestinian children in short order. Selma anyone?

 

Brian37 wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Kavis wrote:

I, for one, am glad for Nony's constant vigilance in the face of the Zionist threat.  Just this morning, I caught my Jew-roommate eating a baby that was, by the packaging information, imported fresh from Palestine. 

And in today's Haaretz I found a report of the PM of Israel preparing to commit another string of war crimes in the occupied territories. I also read of a criminal (and fake) archaeological excavation and tourist attraction being set up by Jews in occupied Jerusalem. I also read two articles relating to West Bank crime where the combined IDF, Shin Bet and border police are unable to find Jewish criminals but managed to extract confessions from Palestinian children in short order. Selma anyone?

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

You get Palestine's rulers to write a public declaration that any government they set up will protect pluralism, dissent, and minorities, I will agree to put them on trial.

But, since you seem to be stuck in thinking that your reactions are not crimes and your blindly support your gang as if it's own shit don't stink, I cant.

You can get my support quite easily with a simple change in attitude.

You are doing the same shit my co-worker did in emotionally blackmailing me with his kid. He'd waste his money and then come to me with his sob story that his kid would starve or not have diapers when it was his fault he didn't have what he needed.

OF COURSE it is not the kids fault, but the parents are not doing anything to SHOW that they want a westernized pluralistic secular government.

PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG AND IF YOU DO I WILL JUMP ON BOARD

Yes of course you Jews demand your victims accede to your demands before you will give them nothing in return.

Do you not see they hypocrisy in your own posts?

Of course you do but your boss requires you to post from the script.