Debunking the first cause argument
Posted on: June 18, 2007 - 3:41pm
Debunking the first cause argument
how do you debunk this?
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Debunking the first cause argument
Posted on: June 18, 2007 - 3:41pm
Debunking the first cause argument
how do you debunk this?
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Very simple: Where did god come from?
Why doesn't a "god" need to follow this rule? I don't know why a omni powered being is more likely (or as likely) than a universe without the complexity of omni's having no cause. So I see it as a moot point until evidence is presented. However I know the universe is here. If the first cause of our universe is intelligent, I would ask where it got its intelligence?
Sounds made up...
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No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
* First cause assumes creation ex nihilo (creation of something from nothing). Even if the theist claims it doesn't, it has to. God is "supernatural," which the theist will insist means beyond, outside, or transcendent of nature. Since god, as a first cause, creates matter, energy, and time, which did not exist before, then everything natural was created from nothing natural. If it is possible for something to come from nothing, then god becomes superfluous.
* The simplest way to deal with the first cause argument is to simply ask, "Why must there be a first cause?" The theist will have to say something along the lines of "so that we get out of infinite regress." Then you ask, "Why must we get out of infinite regress?" They'll say, "So that we can have a first cause," or something like it. After a while, just by asking "Why?" you can demonstrate that there is no logical reason for assuming a first cause. Since there's no necessity for a first cause, god is again made unnecessary.
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I wrote extensively on how stupid first cause is in this essay here:
I wrote:
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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My favorite observation is that it would be impossible for God to have created the universe; since the law of causation did not exist before God created the universe, God could not have caused anything before the universe existed, including the universe.
If I am wrong on any point (including, but not limited to, spelling, grammar, and the question of God's existence), please correct me as quickly as possible.
You could also show that the one group of people who know the most about matters of cosmology, cosmologists, reject the argument, and in fact, tend to be atheists!
Why most cosmologists are atheists
Or you could just show that there are cosmological theories that reject the idea of an ultimate beginning to existence.
http://www.rationalresponders.com/common_cosmological_misconceptions
Finally, you could show that there are more parsimonious explanations for the first cause - quantum tunneling, that allow for ex nihlio creation (same article)
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'