No, you're doing a good job of that without my assistance.

Are you saying that in Islam, the end of the world will come independent of the actions/sins of man?

I'm trying hard to but I find it difficult to follow the thoughts of an irritional mind.

England's Astronomer Royal, Martin Rees of Cambridge University, is keeping an open mind. He agrees that a future collapse is possible. "Since we have no idea what the dark energy is, such scenarios cannot be ruled out," he says. "But ultra-long-range forecasts are all exceedingly speculative."

So how is this proof that the end of the world is near? By near, I mean at least within the next few billion years. If the universe stopped expanding today and started to collapse it would take 12 to 15 billion years to finish. Does this mean the end is near to you?

Once the universe expands enough it will hit the critical density and will collapse causing what is known as a heat death.

Havent you studied physics, the second law of thermodynamics all states exhibit increase in entropy, going from order to disorder.

the universe is heading toward a state of disorder and hence will collapse, i don't know when, but those that i posted are the SIGNS.

I was a Physics major in college, so yes I know a great deal about this issue. Your statement that "the universe is heading toward a state of disorder and hence will collapse" is irrational. Expanding forever would also be a more disordered state. Your signs you posted are vague and meaningless. Christians come here and try to prove the inerrency of the Bible with similar claims. You are just as wrong as they are.

"Signs" are analogous to markers. In other words, the expression of these signs in the world should be caused by the same thing that will cause the world to end (since if the world wasn't ending sometime soon, these signs would not appear). Otherwise, there is no logical connection between these occurances and your symbols. So is the world going to end sometime soon? And here's the hard part: if it would have happened regardless of whether these signs were exhibited, then this is merely superstitious foolishness.

if the universe reaches a critical density, it will either:

(a) Condense into a phenomenon known as the Big Crunch

If the mass density of the universe is above the critical density, then the universe would reach a maximum size and then begin to collapse. It would become denser and hotter again, ending with a state that was similar to that in which it started—a Big Crunch.

(b) The universe would exhibit heat death.

Alternatively, if the density in the universe is equal to or below the critical density, the expansion would slow down, but never stop. Star formation would cease as the universe grows less dense. The average temperature of the universe would asymptotically approach absolute zero—a Big Freeze. Black holes would evaporate. The entropy of the universe would increase to the point where no organized form of energy could be extracted from it, a scenario known as heat death. Moreover, if proton decay exists, then hydrogen, the predominant form of baryonic matter in the universe today, would disappear, leaving only radiation.

So you see as a matter of fact the universe will end, just as it had a beginning.

Science tells you there is in fact an end to the universe.

The end of the universe will happen after all the MAJOR signs will happen. The signs i posted are some of the minor signs of the day of judgement.

The universe could "end" as we know it in one of those fashions, but do you really think one of those things are going to happen soon?

Note the "as we know it"; this is saying reality does not end just the current arrangement of matter that has allowed some life to form.

It may be that the end of life on earth can occur before the universe ends, which is a possibility (especially with global warming and nuclear weapons available).

The earth can also end before the universe ends.

There are many possibilities.

These are predictions of seventy-two events that will occur in the period close to the Day of Judgment.

I do not know if it refers to the end of the universe or the end of earth, it just mentions the Day of Judgment.

Do you know why/how some people think horoscopes work? This is the same thing, but could destroy the world or at the very least result in poor planing causing suffering.

If everyone thinks the world is going to end they will cause it to end by either neglect, subconscious, or on purpose think its "god's will".

I'm willing to bet that it will not happen in our lifetimes, nor for a long time. And it will be a purely natural end, one that has no causal relationship with high-rise buildings, women singing, and people taking care of their instruments...

Actually in Islam, the signs of the day of judgment are signs to remind us of how short this life is and how close we are to the day of judement.

The whole point of understanding the day of judgments and what will happen on this day is to work righteous deeds and make the world a better place. The evil people of this earth would use these signs as a green light to spread mischief and suffering before the end takes place.

That is the most illogical thing i have heard so far. The whole point of religion is for people to fear God and do righteous deeds, and not commit crimes under the banner of "god's will"

I am saying some of the signs have come about, and others will come.

I know they are saying the same thing, because God sent us the same monotheistic message: the only difference is that they altered the bible and other scriptures in order to manipulate their people into believing the trinity doctrine.

God commands justice, peace, and equality. the people who do these crimes are brainwashed or rebellious.

If you want to go down that road lets look at the wars launched by athiests, not done for god.

First of all, they even admit it is altered:

(a) The bible says itself the jews mishandled their books Jerimiah 8:8

(b)
The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

(c)
"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/romeadmits.htm

The Quran was memorized and written word-for-word during the time it was revealed by God through his last prophet Muhammed (pbuh), and it still exists in its origional language and form. Anywhere you go in the world you will find the same quran with the same words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran

Muslims all over the world actually memorize the quran, it is estimated that 5 million muslims around the world memorized the whole quran, and all 1.5 billion muslims memorize at least parts of it (in order to pray)

But why would they change what they ‘knew’ to be correct?

It seems like the writer of this list expected the end to come a long time ago.

I memorized the Jabberwocky poem when I was a kid.......
I declare Lewis Carroll a prophet and Alice in Wonderland to be the holy word of our lord Jabberwock(pbuh).

It shows.

I was joking. LOL
I assumed you might pick up on that.

No doubt. hahaha

You are showing your ignorance again. The above two things will occur only if the universe shrinks. Currently it is expanding and at an accelerating rate. There are a FEW scientists that think it MAY reverse and shrink. Further you are constantly blurring two different ideas:
1. the end of the universe (Big Crunch)
2. Judgement day (not a scientific idea at all, rather a religious one)

There is a third possibility that you keep ignoring, that the universe will continue to expand. Most scientist think this is the most likely probability based on current evidence. If this occurs then the universe won't end. Life will eventually end as all eneregy sources will be exhaused and all stars will burn out and the universe will become cold and dark, but life will have ended long before that occurs.

For me, the whole thing about prophecy is irrelevant. I wouldn't follow any god that implements a judgment day/end times scenario.

First, it turns reality into a game. Do the right things before the end or you don't get the prize. This puts morality on the same level as a scavenger hunt. Collect all the right things before the clock runs out and you win.

Second, the very idea of putting a time limit on self-improvement and -actualization is infantile and/or criminal. There are no possible good reasons why a supreme being would place a time limit on succeeding at being a good person. Oh I can think of reasons but no good ones, only bad ones.

So in the end I don't give a damn if true prophecies tell that the end is really coming. The fact, if fact it be, that the end is coming and the clock is running out is enough for me to despise your infantile and capricious god.

And I don't mean an end like the earth getting hit by Halley's comet or something. There are many things that could wipe us out. The difference is that Halley's comet does not exist FOR THE PURPOSE OF wiping us out. I can't blame Halley's comet for wiping out humanity as it would just be a ball of rock and ice that just so happened to fall under the influence of Earth's gravity, but I can blame god when he could have done things differently, indeed SHOULD have done things differently.

And that I apprehend this simple ethical truth makes me more ethical than god. Therefore, in my opinion, god should go to jail. He should be segregated from the rest of us ethical beings like the common criminal he is.

I dont know why people cant understand the facts, we usually argue on our religion with people of other religion when we dont even have enuf knowledge of ours as well as of other persons religion. Mind of both the persons are closed and you would never admit the fact that the other person is right. So first of all have the knowlege of urs as well as other persons religion before u argue on a topic.

About Jews,Christian and Islam , if you look at it they are religion of same God. First Jews came then christian then islam, for jews God sent christ when jews were busy in wrong doings, similarly Muhammad PBUH came when christians got busy in the wrong doings just like jews, now muslims are getting into wrong doings, so if u come to think of it its a process which was going on since start of earth.I am a muslim but i beleive in christians and jews, that prophets came on them to show them the right path. but after Mohammad there is no prophet. So end of time is said to come but God knows when , we cant tell no matter what signs we see. but we can get ready for it.

Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) made a mention of the Dajjal(Anti christ) one day in the morning……. If he comes forth while I am among on, I (Muhammad) shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf …... He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to 'Abd-ul-'Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii.). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). We said: Allah's Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth? He said.. For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days. ……..He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. …..He (Dajjal) would then walk through the waste, land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damscus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odour of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him.

hi ALM am amazed with ur knowledge,u had an answer for every question.It is people like u whom i am proud to know in my life and know more about my religeon.Plz i am begging u to email me coz i want to know more.

...that "Punishments of the Shari'ah (...I hope I spelled that right...) will be suspended."

As a gay man, I would love to see brutal punishments like those in the Shari'ah suspended.  I wouldn't even limit this to just Shari'ah, or even just Islam.  In my opinion, *any* system of brutal punishments should be suspended...or better yet, revoked entirely.  From what I understand of Shari'ah, (correct me if I'm wrong,):

   1. Those Muslims who arrive at the conviction that Islam is incorrect are to be

        killed, the only exception being if they can prove themselves to be insane.

   2. Gays and lesbians are to be killed.  This certainly happens if they are found to

        be making love; but (at least in Christian-majority nations,) just *being* gay

        is considered by, shall we say, enthusiastic Christians to be sufficient grounds

        for the application of sanctions.  And, if the government will not apply those

        sanctions (i.e., kill gays and lesbians,) then there are those souls who will

        step in and do the killing for the State.  I would expect that, on this point,

        there would likely be little or no difference between Islam and Christianity.

   3. There is no separation--none--of State and Church.  (Or, more appropriately

       in this case, of State and Mosque.)  The State is simply an appendage of

       religious authorities, and it murders, in the name of God, anyone who those

       religious authorities say needs to be killed.  This sort of thing happened in the

       West.  Women, for example, could be killed as "witches" by simply being

       unfortunate enough to have been accused.  And, you ask, what sort of

        "evidence" was given for such an accusation?  Often, it was enough to be

        poor, elderly, and female.  Then add to this crimes committed against

        religious minorities, (...so that God could rule society completely, of course...)

        the brutality of both the methods of execution and the tortures applied to

        gain "confessions," the suppression of scientific investigation when the

        conclusions contradicted religious dogma...and (even though it took us

        centuries,) we began to see that national authority and religious

        authority *must* be separated, in order to prevent these crimes from

        recurring.  Oddly enough, we discovered after such a separation was

        made, that religion actually benefitted from having more sincere worshippers.

   4. Speaking of brutal punishments...doesn't the Koran dictate such punishments

        as chopping off hands, stoning to death, crushing people beneath walls,

        throwing them off of tall buildings, and (here's a real doozy) chopping off

        the hand of one side of a person, chopping the foot off of the other side,

        and crucifying what's left of the poor person?  (That said, I do have to

        give Islam this one small thing: at least the Koran expressly opposes

        burning people at the stake.  That is, at least, better than nothing, I

        suppose.)

All these things--and there may well be more--horrify me.  If this is Shari'ah, then I certainly don't want Shari'ah anywhere near me.  If this is Shari'ah, then I hope that someday these things are revoked--permanently--even in countries where they now rule the day.  Needless to say, I certainly don't want this sort of law expanded into any country where it does not now rule.

So the question here is: is this indeed accurate?  And if so, how can this kind of law be deemed even remotely civilized?

Conor

The idea of the world 'coming to an end' does not stand as an insightful 'prophecy - virtiually everything 'comes to an end' or , at least changes  until we would no longer recognise it as what it once was. This is a simple observation.

It becomes more significant if one puts a more specific time on it.

"Soon' is a bit vague, but to bring in the minority scientific viewpoint that the Universe may end in a Big Crunch show the total irrationality of this person - no way could this particular end be described as 'SOON'. On the other hand, if you want us to count billions of years in the future as 'soon', then of course our world is almost certainly going to end within that period. It is pretty much a certainty that a big asteroid will wipe out human life on earth well before a billion years, from pure chance alone. The sun will probably go into red-giant phase and engulf the earth well within such a period.

So continuing to argue on this point is enough by itself to render your position totally nonsensical.

The idea that people will learn how to create ever taller buildings is also hardly a remarkable idea. This has been happening for centuries, so all this is saying is that the End will occur in the future... unless it was more specific at what was the height that indicated that the End was very close.

I have looked those sites which attempt to show that the Book anticipated many scientific ideas, and they are extremely lame, requiring mostly stretching the interpretation of the text very much to match some scientific fact. As previously mentioned, many of the discoveries they refer to were already covered by the speculations of the Greeks well before the Islamic period, so we should be following someone like Aristotle if this sort of thing is significant.

It also omits all the passages which are wildly inconsistent with modern knowledge - I'm sure there is a passage that says the earth does not move, and the Sun sets in a swamp....

There is no barrier between waters of different temperature and salinity -  under some circumstances the mixing is relatively slow. The observation of this effect, such as where a river flows into a body of salt water, or two rivers with very different sediment loads meet and the different colors of water can be identifiable for a long way downstream is almost certainly where this idea came from. This is not a 'barrier" it is just that if the flow is slow or very smooth, the mixing is slow, but it is always happening, even if only by molecular diffusion. It is entirely inaccurate to refer to a 'barrier', so this is a point against the Book, since is making the wrong conclusion from observation.

So yes, society will continue to change, and eventually the world will end, certainly as far as human life is concerned, these are NOT remarkable ideas.

You will have to much more specific than this to be worth listening to. Most of those social behaviours referred to in that list have been happening in varying degrees in various societies for most of human history, and often gone through cycles.

You have the same self centered selfish world view that Christians have and you are no better than they are. BOTH religious aspouse the end is comming and this has happened in every generation.

Is that what your magical sky daddy wants? He wants a frothing orgy of violence and genocide to gorify him? Allah/God, "Hey kids I want you to to murder each other over me in a glorious final battle the winner gets to kiss my feet for eternity".

Did it ever occur to you or Christians that both of you simply buy a tribalistic ancient myth ?

And what a pessimistic fatalistic view you have. 6 billion people  on this planet and according to both sky daddy clubs, the outsiders wont get into heaven . That means daddy put 4 or so billion people, either way, on this planet just so they could burn in hell.

The signs are certainly clear to me. You are delusional and haven't even dared to bravely question the illogical nature of your own mythological claims.