Discussions with theists part 2

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Here's another one, on YouTube, between me and "BetterThanU123". This is pretty funny. On the comment section for this video

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PayToBeBornPayToDie
Good song, but 'Death To Allah*
& CHRIST!!

rowsdowersavesus (that's me)
I didn't catch them saying that. I agree...death to all religions.


This set off a defender of religion.
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BetterThanU123
look man if u dont like religion thats ok. dont go around denouncing people religions thats stupid as fuck. i can put athiests down a million ways but i never do. just dont do that kind of shit.
Note the bolded part, it is important for later.
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rowsdowersavesus
Why shouldn't I denounce religion? That's the reason these guys can't play live without being executed, the reason gays are second class citizens in some places, and the reason the World Trade Centre towers were destroyed. Religion has to be destroyed for humanity to progress.

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BetterThanU123
ur stupid humanity has been progressing for years with religion. albert einstien was religious so was martin luther king. do u think theyre scum? thats like saying that because some slave owners we from texas then all texans should be destroyed for black people to be equal.

You don't see that no matter what, there are extremes to every religion (jihad, those assholes who are blaming Christianity for everything including AIDS for example) no matter what you do. There is always a leap of faith in deciding what to believe in. atheism itself is a religion. It's not cool to hate people religions man.

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rowsdowersavesus
Oh, um...religious people supported slavery as well as opposing it. Look up "the curse of Ham". I never would think someone was bad just for their religion, that is insane.
[This is false, I'd think someone was bad if they followed Positive Christianity]
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rowsdowersavesus
1: Albert Einstein was an atheist, in his own words. Martin Luther King Jr. was a reverend, but he actually was quite a liberal christian.
2: I don't think anyone is blaming christianity for AIDS, though people blame it for the rapid spread of it, as they prevent people from using condoms.
3: Yes, we've been progressing with religion, but religion has been losing power as we've progressed.

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BetterThanU123
albert einstien was jewish u fucktard! ahahahahaha! and martin luther king was christian and he also helkped in making all of black america equal. and guess who he was killed by? an athiest! so going by ur morals all athiest r rascist murderers. and yes people are blaming christianity for AIDS, Disease, child abuse, and every war. i never said anything about athiests. and ifu ever researched christianity protestants can use birth control.
[See, he/she DOES talk put down atheists! Liar]
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rowsdowersavesus
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."-Albert Einstein. Again, look up the curse of Ham, which is in Genesis, and was used to claim that blacks were below whites. I don't know if James Earl Ray was religious or not, but he was in the KKK, which was a christian group.

Also, well, Hitler was a Catholic. "Gott Mit Uns" which was on the Nazi belt buckles. Oh, and the Nazis started a sect called "Positive Christianity". Look it up.

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BetterThanU123
hitler was a christian. but he was also the fucking anti- christ! key words ANTI- CHRIST!!! if he christianb and believe everything thats not white and christian should be murerd then hes obviously not christian. like i said there are extremes in every religion. there are riots saying god is your enemy and people are dragging christians off the sidewalk and beating them.

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rowsdowersavesus
Hitler didn't think all non-whites should be allowed to survive, nor did he wish to kill all non-christians. He hated Slavics (Russian, Polish, etc.) as much as Jews, hated Latins (Italians, French, etc.) and was OK with Aryan (Germanic) atheists. As for him being the antichrist, nope. He didn't conquer the world, so he's not your anti-christ. The fact is, moderates defend extremists, so they're as much to blame as extremists.

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BetterThanU123
ok? just dont go out looking for things and saying things people have believed in for almost their whole life isnt true. do ur research before saying all religious people r scum and saying everything they believe in isnt real. just shut up. u can be a metalhead and christian too.

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rowsdowersavesus
I'm aware you're allowed to be religious and a metalhead. I have researched all religions. I know my stuff. Feel free to debate me more, on PMs.

The one pm I got was this, titled "bullfuck"

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So? who cares if some people who supported slavery were christian? some were also athiest. i could also go by ur morals and say some thing like.... Atheists believe that living in your parent's basement, playing video games, and insulting religious people on internet message boards all day is an excellent and fulfilling lifestyle. Atheists also believe that they are the only ones good enough to be scientists and that any other religion and science are completely incompatible. To get the general public to believe this, they spread the lie that all Christians are conservative rebulicans who believe literally in the creation story....judging by what u and some other people on youtube do.
but i wouldnt do that cuz thats stupid as fuck!! u dont go around saying that religion is the death of the whole fucking world because religion has also been keeping mankind alive. ok? now shut the fuck up. at least no what ur talking about before saying religious people and religion should die. so shut the fuck up.

This is intensely defensive, pretty hardcore, and...yeah. I don't think I got that emotional (you can argue that I started out fairly extreme, but I didn't go as angry as this person.) My reply will be this blog post's URL. Notice a few other things:
1: Ad hominem. Lots of it.
2: This person took my words and mangled them. I never said that religious people should die, just religion. I think religious people abandon religion, but I don't want anyone to die. I'm a pacifist, I don't wish violence on ANYONE. I don't want anyone to die, just the idea. Just like I want racism to die.
3: The problem is, no, not all christians are nuts. However, there are enough of them to get George W. Bush elected, to get Stephen Harper elected in Canada, to keep gay marriage illegal in the U.S., to keep abortions almost impossible to get, to ban stem cell research, to allow "Intelligent Design" to be taught in some schools...I could probably go on. There are enough that it is a problem.
So, BetterThanU123...hi! And if you want to talk about this, let's talk. But please, be a lot more calm than you have been thus far. OK?