"23 Minutes in Hell"
Offline Here's a man who wrote a book about his experience in hell. Apparently he spent 23 minutes there before God pulled him out. He believes that hell is located beneath the earth's surface because he talks about "people up on the surface of the earth." His book titled, "23 Minutes in Hell" is on the Christian book list at Beliefnet.com.
Here's some excerpts from the book by Bill Weise:
I pleaded for mercy, but they had none—absolutely no mercy. They seemed to be incapable of it. They were pure evil. No mercy existed in that place. Mercy is from God in heaven.
The mental anguish I felt was indescribable. Asking for mercy from such evil only seemed to heighten their desire to torment me more.
I was conscious of the fact that there was no fluid coming from my wounds. No blood, no water, nothing. At this time, I did not stop to wonder why. I was extremely nauseous from the terrible, foul stench coming from these creatures. It was absolutely disgusting, foul, and rotten. It was, by far, the most putrid smells I have ever encountered. If you could take every rotten thing you can imagine, such as an open sewer, rotten meat, spoiled eggs, sour milk, dead rotting animal flesh, and sulfur, and magnify it a thousand times, you might come close. This is not an exaggeration. The odor was actually extremely toxic, and that alone should have killed me.Instinctively, I just knew that some of the things I experienced were a thousand times worse than what would be possible on the earth's surface—things such as the odors mentioned, the strength of the demons, the loudness of the screams, the dryness, and the loneliness felt.
Somehow I managed to move a bit and dragged myself across the ground toward the barred door. I couldn't see, but I remembered the direction of the door that had been left open. I finally made it to the door and crawled out of the cell. Apparently, the creatures allowed me to crawl out without stopping me.
As soon as I exited the cell, my first instinct was to get as far away as possible. Again, I desperately wanted to run. All I could think of was to get up onto my feet. However, every move to get up took great effort. I remember wondering, Why is this so difficult? After tremendous exertion, I was finally able to stand. I was thoroughly exhausted and, at the same time, very frustrated at how hard simple movement had become. Although I was now outside the cell, I could not run, and fear continued to bind itself around me as a snake constricting its prey.
I was horrified as I heard the screams of an untold multitude of people crying out in torment. It was absolutely deafening. The terror-filled screams seemed to go right through me, penetrating my very being. I once heard about a television special where a news reporter spent the night in a prison just to experience prison life firsthand. The prisoners were crying, moaning, and yelling all night long. He stated that he couldn't sleep because of all the noise. This place where I now stood was far, far worse.
Through the panic and the deafening noise, I struggled to gather my thoughts. I'm in hell! This is a real place, and I'm actually here! I frantically tried to understand, but it was just so inconceivable. Not me, I'm a good person, I thought. The fear was so intense I couldn't bear it, but again, I couldn't die. I knew that most people up on the surface of the earth did not believe or even know that there was a whole world going on down here. They wouldn't believe it. But here it existed, and it was all too real. This place was so terrifying, so intense, and so hostile that it would be impossible for me to exaggerate the horror.
Question: If hell is below us in the earth, aren't the oil companies who drill for oil taking a chance on poking Satan in the head?
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Offline It's called FREE WILL our free will allowed us to "fuck" things up.
Our free will allowed us to "fuck" up god's instruction manual on how we are supposed to live? Actually not even my personal free will but the free will of a human that lived hundred of years ago that distorted god's message to humanity eventually involving millions of people and their ultimate fate for the hereafter?
What, are you trying to be a lawyer? My Business Law classes taught me that but THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW.
What's the point?
Good God man pick up a few books that are out of your margin of safety! I didn't say they were reality, but don't you know anything about OBE and Lucid Dreaming?
Yes. Actually I have experienced both an OBE AND Lucid Dreaming. I've read a large number of books out of my safety margin. For example I was raised to believe literally in Noahs Flood and bought a book by the same name pointing out how impossible it was. While I STILL believed.
So you don't believe the universe came from nothing? BIg Bang? Ehh? That's the "crazy, insanity" that you are involved with! The universe and everything in it came from a creator ( I don't care what name you call this creator. It's different everywhere and it does not matter). Every single thing here is balanced perfectly your saying science works is true and proves that there is a God . All those wonderful scientific theories out were caused bu him and are kept the same by him. Are all the basic facts about science changing (evolving), like gravity or chemical reactions , NO, NO, NO ,NO, it's stays the same. HE made it so. Yes we make discoveries, but they were always there, we just didn't know. Lose our gravity here and your ass and mine goes to outer space. Things don't just happen from nothing.
No, I do not think the Big Bang came from nothing. It came from the singularity. And balanced "perfectly"? lol Cancer, HIV, UV radiation, STD's, etc., etc. You think because we have evolved to our environment that our environment was "designed" for us? Wow.
If you leave things alone they decay, they don't get better and evolve to humans they break down.
True. In a closed system. The Earth is not a closed system. We receive energy from the sun. That makes all the difference. Plants photosynthensis using the Sun's energy, herbivores eat the plants, carnivores eat the herbivores, Omnivorse eat pretty much anything that's edible to them plant or animal which is why humans and pigs (among others) are so successful in most environments.
Why do you insist on bringing in things like family? Things that have no reason to be in the conversation except to make it more personal and piss people off.
I didn't bring family into the discussion to piss anyone off. I brought it into the discussion to point out what I do believe in. I'm not some horned devil. I'm a faithful husband and a loving father. To say I "believe in nothing" is to say in an indirect way that I have no loyalty, no honor, and no obligation to those that depend upon me. This is a mischaracterization. It's an underhanded attempt to defame me.
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
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Offline [underhanded attempt to defame me.
I don't know you I can't "defame" you. There you go again thinking it is all about you. The theory of a big bang is something from nothing that is what it is about.
Yes !! Good point! How did that sun get jusssst in the right spot to help us there. Little closer and everything burns up, little bit farther out and we freeze. Someone put it there. duh
Are links to youtube videos allowed here?
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi
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LOL
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
Magilum I don't care who or what your bored with, children get bored very easily. If we go to Hell when we die yes I think we have caught it twice. Don't you have bad days? Well in Heaven you won't. This certainly isn't Heaven! There are great times we spend on Earth but they are gone in the blink of an eye. How old are you? Never mind I don't want to know. But the older you get the faster things seem to have gone. I can remember being a child like it was yesterday even though it was not.
Believers have their hope in eternal life. Non of us are saints and at least we have the guts to admit it and ask for forgivness so that we can live eternally with our creator.
And what the crap is an ad hoc?
Have you ever heard of Howard Storm? He WAS an avowed atheist until his near death experience showed him what would happen if he didn't change.
Look him up. Don't say he made it up, that's a load of crap. There are plenty of others, even people who have had NDE's with others (died at the same time in a lightening storm and were revived).
I am pretty sure it would take a NDE to get any of you to see the light. Having Faith in something other than this world is just beyond your limited little selves. Nothing on this planet just happened. Not a car, plane, tv, radio, cell phone or us. God created us and then we created our own mess here on Earth.
God Bless you all.
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi
LOL Stop! Stop! *gasp* You're killing me!
Thor bless you too, beliversrule.
lol
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
im going on 4 "N.D.E's" so far in my "Life"... so how many more do you think it will take? im willing to try this experiment ^_^
or will it forever remain a Tootsie Pop Paradox?
What Would Kharn Do?
I have know idea because I don't know you or what happened with you and because I am not God. Just because you almost die dosen't mean your going to have a meaningful experience. If God wants you to have one then it will happen. Apparently he wants you to try to figure something out on your own. Your not dead yet so so congrats you have another chance, you won the lottery four times, woo hooo!!
I have had a couple of close calls too, but apparently not close enough and I didn't get to see the things others have. I would love to see it (without the actual dying right now because I have kids to take care of) thats why I have read numerous books on OBE's and lucid dreaming that can lead to OBE's. My husband had a NDE but his scared him and he only spoke of it once to me and didn't give me many details. He could have had many of them because de died several times in the hospital after open heart surgery, but this one was all he spoke of.
Whatever, again I am happy you can still breathe and hopefully your taking advantage of it by learning something everyday.
Blessings.
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi
I was dead, well clinically dead for a full 5 minutes, and I experienced nothing, no flash backs, no lights no god no nothing, just.....nothing, which I pretty much expected, and have you ever noticed that people of different religions and societies have different expeirences of NDE? Buddhist have their versions of the afterlife, so do hindus, taoists, etc etc etc. Hmm well most of the NDE that christians use come from christian societies. However they rarely if ever bother with other societies.
Ah, ok. I've settled down a bit.
First off, beliversrule, AmericanIdle is a play on words of American Idol. He didn't misspell it. He was intentionally making a pun.
Second off, this entire thread is about us poo-pooing the idea that someone claiming to have knowledge about the afterlife from a NDE.
Then you bring up Howard Storm?
Yeah right. That quack claimed that reciting scripture in hell will chase off the demons? What a joke.
No problem! Us atheists go to hell we'll just start saying the Lord's prayer. We'll be fine.
Despite the fact that you can't die, go to heaven or hell, then come back where you can die again according to the bible. I've already pointed this out.
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
Why is it so hard for you to believe in Zeus?
1) You've got things backwards: You can't just assume that your god exists as the default position - what 'evidence' do you have that your god does exist?
2) "god" is an incoherent term
3) A 'creator' of the universe is an unnecessary hypothesis
4) our universe in no way points to a caring creator working towards its behalf, and the idea of a loving god who creates intelligent beings intended for hell obviously leads to a contradiction: a loving evil being.
5) here are 50 more reasons I don't have time for, but if you'd like to debate the matter....
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'
Well first of all I really don't care that I made a boo boo on my spelling on this site. Second that "quack" was lucky that they were able to bring him back and so are the people he has told his story to so they know the truth.
And duh, the guy was making a pun. I get it and I once again don't give a flying "insert your own word or words here". I don't think that is important in any way to the subject? Do you??
If you make it to hell itself I don't believe the Lords Prayer will help you out of that hole, not until you have learned your lesson kiddo. This man wasn't meant to die and go to Hell or he would not have been given another chance.
Now here is one point I am not sure of: the staying in Hell forever. I am free thinking and not what you "people" would call a religious nut. I can wrap my mind around us paying our dues in whatever Hell we may end up in and then moving on. I believe God is good and that we are here to learn lessons. What lessons, I don't know. We will all find that out at the moment of death when everything will become clear to us. After death I think we continue to learn and that if we do earn an all expense paid trip to Hell we may be there to learn better and then go on to a better place.
The Bible. It's God's word with revisions made by idiots on earth.
Blessings
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi
So how do you reconcile these two sentiments?
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What ?
havent seen any sign of this yet... maybe i need another NDE ^_^
first, lol at "people"
second, WE decide if WE call you a religious nut or not... so allow me to be the first!
BeLIVER you are a religious nut
Ok, you got me.... i cant dispute that
What Would Kharn Do?
Truth? How do you intend to prove that? I have a book full of people giving "true" accounts of seeing Fairies and Goblins. Even quite recently. Like the past 20 years. In America. Hello? Where's the fucking proof?
No. But I do think you acting (do you now claim to have been acting after I pointed it out to you?) like his pun was an accidental mispelling is funny.
So then you don't believe Howard Storm either. Why did you bring him up to support your beliefs?
Kiddo? I am a father of three. Kiddo is what I call my eldest who is 12. Don't belittle me.
What all-important things will we learn in hell? What's the point of hell? Revenge? Really. Think about if YOU were god. Would you create hell? And what would be the qualifiers for someone going there? Even if for only a limited time?
The Bible. It's written by idiots on earth.
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
Well my oldest child is 14 but that also has nothing to do with anyhting here. Yes, I believe Howard's story. He was not dead and finished he was only given a glimpse of what things could be like if he were to die on that day.
You pointed out to me a pun! What do you really think that people aren't capable of thinking without your help. That is part of the problem with your thinking. You are so full of yourself (note the picture you have there, ha) that you can't believe a higher power created you!
NDE's happen, there real, period.
Don't ask for proof, that is just about the most stupid thing. You can't prove that God is not your creator any more than I can prove he is. Unles you can teleport back ...way back....that's the ticket, go for it!
Blessings on your trip!
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi
Then why do you disbelieve in his story of his visit to hell where he quoted scripture and the demons left him alone?
Actually I have always had self-esteem problems. I always doubt myself. Maybe that's what led to me doubting the crap that I was indoctrinated in from birth and realized is was bogus.
And WOW. What's with the comment about my avatar? I'm being egotistical about showing a picture of myself? If you want to see a much more flattering picture of me just shoot me an email. Of course I'm going to pick a picture of myself where I don't look like total ass. Would you rather me snap a quick pic of myself after a drinking binge and before I've even combed my hair? Don't be an idiot. Like you keep saying, that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Really? Dreams happen too. Does that make them real? Or just figments of our imagination?
"Don't ask for proof" LOL Of course asking for proof in something so serious as an eternity in everlasting fire is completely "the most stupid thing".
The burden is not on me to prove that god is not my creator. The burden is on YOU!
You can't prove that Ra is not your creator.
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi
When did I say I did not believe him?? He was brought back to life. Don't you get that. If mercy was not shown to him when he called upon God and he had not come back he would have spent some more time (I don't know how much because I am not God) in the Hell that he experienced that day. How can this be confusing to you. Personally I would rather not spend any time in that place, hence the Jesus died for our sins and will forgive you if you believe in him and ask.
I see by your post that you were apparently forced into religion when you were young. I am sorry for that. That could very well be a large part of why you have so much against it now. That didn't happen to me. I went when I wanted to and was allowed to come to my own decisions about going and where. I went to several churches and don't think it matters which one a person goes to, it's just faith that counts. I dont' think a person even needs to go to church. I have not been in YEARS. I think every believer has God in his house and they don't have to go to church to talk to him.
I have no burden on me to prove anything to you. I know it will all be shown to you on the day you die (I mean die, die, instead of being brought back by a good medical team).
Dreams. Have you done any reading about what dreams really could be? I am not taking any time to go into that. If you can't grasp the concept of God then you won't get that either.
I believe in lots of things. God, OBE, NDE, ghosts(boo), many, many things. I have fun, read and enjoy and learn about the many things there are out there during this short life here on earth, without offending my creator. Or when I do I at least ask for a bit of forgiveness! I study about religions around the world because I think they are all valid in one way or another. There are lots of theories out there about lots of things. Try learning about some of them instead of just about your theory of nothingness. You don't seem to believe in anything and seem really quite dull .
I don't care what you look like.
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi
For those interested, none of the Old Testament books are considered to be historical in any way. It is a fact that the archaeology does not validate any part of the Old Testament - not a exodus, nor a conquest, not even a monarchy. The exile is even in serious question. The suspicion that there were some fundamental truths behind the folklore has been so thoroughly refuted by the archaeological and anthropological methods of modern historians and archaeologists that there is not a scholar today, that I'm aware of, that would dare attempt to publish a journal paper on the historicity of these narratives.
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It's not confusing to me. It's ridiculous to me. The bible itself says that you cannot die twice. And if the bible was "edited by idiots" then why did god give it to us in the first place if he wasn't going to keep it completely valid? Why give us a manual on how to live the way he wants us to live and then allow humans to fuck the manual all up?
That makes NO SENSE!
It's a placebo, beliversrule. It is. It's a pacifer for adults.
If you make a claim (I.E. God is real.) then YES the burden of proof is on you.
I can't grasp the concept of God? I believed in "god" for the first 30 years of my life.
What "dreams really could be?"? Are you saying that dreams really could be reality? Is so, then...well I need to stop talking to you now. You are too far gone into insanity for us to communicate effectively.
I studied all types of religions and "mythologies" like crazy in my 20's. I was fascinated with them. I studied Norse mythology, Egyptian mythology, Buddism, Hinduism, Islam, etc., etc., etc.
And this statement,"Try learning about some of them instead of just about your theory of nothingness." is EXTREMELY ignorant. I believe in a ton of things.
I believe in my family. My wife, my children, my parents. I believe in evolution. I believe that both of us are "great apes" closely related to chimpanzees. I believe that the Earth is 4.54 billion years old. I believe what the RRS is doing here. That religion is VERY damaging to humanity and MUST be confronted. I believe in compassion and kindness. In being a decent person and a productive citizen of my society.
How dare you call my beliefs a "theory of nothing". It shows great ignorance. Do I sit here thinking of nothing about my existence and life? The reality I am experiencing?
No, I'm thinking nothing, right?
"really quite dull" eh?
LOL Only someone who doesn't know me would say that. I'm quite the cut-up and oddball.
However, if it makes you feel good to personify me like that, then feel free.
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
I would like to remind you that amputees are alive...Memories are your brain cells...
Proof that your spirit exists.
Proof that your heaven and hell exist.
Proof that your God exists.
Proof one of above and I will buy you a beer and convert myself to Christianity*
*As soon as I convince Santa that Pink Unicorn will do no harm to him for forcing Elves into Christmas Eve slavery.
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What the Hell ! I will buy you two beers !!
Ecrasez l'infame!
Sigh.
I was for the most part being factetious.
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It's not confusing to me. It's ridiculous to me. The bible itself says that you cannot die twice. And if the bible was "edited by idiots" then why did god give it to us in the first place if he wasn't going to keep it completely valid? Why give us a manual on how to live the way he wants us to live and then allow humans to fuck the manual all up?
That makes NO SENSE!
It's called FREE WILL our free will allowed us to "fuck" things up.
If you make a claim (I.E. God is real.) then YES the burden of proof is on you.
What, are you trying to be a lawyer? My Business Law classes taught me that but THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW.
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What "dreams really could be?"? Are you saying that dreams really could be reality? Is so, then...well I need to stop talking to you now. You are too far gone into insanity for us to communicate effectively.
Good God man pick up a few books that are out of your margin of safety! I didn't say they were reality, but don't you know anything about OBE and Lucid Dreaming?
And this statement,"Try learning about some of them instead of just about your theory of nothingness." is EXTREMELY ignorant. I believe in a ton of things.
How dare you call my beliefs a "theory of nothing". It shows great ignorance. Do I sit here thinking of nothing about my existence and life? The reality I am experiencing?
No, I'm thinking nothing, right?
"really quite dull" eh?
So you don't believe the universe came from nothing? BIg Bang? Ehh? That's the "crazy, insanity" that you are involved with! The universe and everything in it came from a creator ( I don't care what name you call this creator. It's different everywhere and it does not matter). Every single thing here is balanced perfectly your saying science works is true and proves that there is a God . All those wonderful scientific theories out were caused bu him and are kept the same by him. Are all the basic facts about science changing (evolving), like gravity or chemical reactions , NO, NO, NO ,NO, it's stays the same. HE made it so. Yes we make discoveries, but they were always there, we just didn't know. Lose our gravity here and your ass and mine goes to outer space. Things don't just happen from nothing. If you leave things alone they decay, they don't get better and evolve to humans they break down.
Why do you insist on bringing in things like family? Things that have no reason to be in the conversation except to make it more personal and piss people off.
And we have no evidence whatsoever that the soul perishes with the body---------Mahatma Gandhi