4th dimension eh? thats rather stupid of them considering we already live in a 4 dimensional world, the 4th being time. I have a sneaking suspicion that the name "Michael Tsarion" will occur somewhere in the website somewhere, but I can't be bothered to look before I head off to sleep.

This is most disturbing all their is to life just this. A world filled with narrow minded morons who live in a world of disbelif and illrational behavir. You know what the whole world is in an mentally illrational elliptical orbit, that is why people are so imposible to reason with. Don't worry I work for the good of mankind

I would like to have an e mail from you guys

I love reading this stuff OMFG. I have a co-worker that is so nihilistic (christian) if you can believe it or not. He still believes the whole 2012 bull shit and found a new one. He has been saying for weeks that the Earth's tilt has increased by more than double what is was just a few years ago. Essentially, the weather patterns right now are a result of a drastic change in the Earth's tilt and no one has noticed it.

By time the Summer soltice is here the sun will be up to somewhere over Texas instead of the Tropic of Cancer. If I can I will find the links he sent to me. It was some really interesting reading.

There are too many coincidences happening around the 2012 date, to just simply dismiss the whole thing. The Mayan calendar encompasses a tremendous 5125 year great cycle. Obviously, the calendar was meant as a signpost for a future generation...THIS GENERATION.

You are wrong on two counts. One, the Long Count of the Mayan calender (part of their three calender system) is 26,000 years, not a mere 5125 years. Secondly, it's only non-Mayan's who consider the end of this particular Long Count to be the end of the world. The Mayan's alive today know that it just restarts the calender. That's why you don't see the inhabitants of Oaxaca, Mexico lying down preparing to die. There is a reason that the Long Count calender is a giant circle, and not a line with a beginning and an end. You are imposing a Eurocentric view of their calender, which is why you have such a stupid and uneducated view of it.

You are stupid for believing the bullshit coming from the mouths of con men, who are appropriating another people's culture to support their insane "end of the world" claims.

I will see you on Dec. 22, 2012 so I can laugh in your gullible face.

There is no indication that the Mayan calendar cycle is anything more than an inherent consequence of the way they added periodic corrections to make it fit better the actual details of the timing of astronomical events. When you use ordinary integer arithmetic, such corrections will eventually repeat. The finer the adjustments, the more accurate the corrections, longer the whole system would take to repeat.

There is nothing particularly significant to the time it takes to repeat. If the civilization had survived, they would have had to further adjust their calendar, and the repeat time would almost certainly have got even longer, as they found it necessary to account for slower astronomical orbits which only became apparent after longer observation.

2012 will just be yet another failed apocalyptic prediction to add to a long list.

You are so right.  The Mayan were obviously all super geniuses who could predict everything that was going to happen in the future.  That's why they are still around today to.......oh wait they aren't around anymore are they? 

 Scientists know that it is not a mater of IF a cataclysm will hit the planet in some form, via a mega volcano or meteor, but WHEN.

WHAT pisses me off is WHEN it happens , when scientists observe, close to the event and know there is nothing humans can do about it, the myth lovers will shout like delusional nutcases claiming it was a result of myth and super heros or the  mafia killing John Lenon because he denied Elvis was still alive.

OUR SPECIES WILL DIE, something will kill us all. DUH, but there is no magic to it and prophecy based on superstition is about as useful as using used toilet paper as a napkin.

Umm, where did you get that from? 5125 years is one Baktun of which there have been 13 in the system. 26,000 years is slightly longer than 5 Baktun. If you have a link, I would be curious to read it.

Agreed but the line forms behind me.

Well, I suppose that any date is as good as any other. The only thing being that if the next date is fairly soon after another failed prediction, my experience is that it will get little if any real attention. Consider how many people even noticed the 2003 date (coming so soon after the whole Y2K thing).

Speaking of Y2K, there is some potential for chaos at the end of 2028. Here is how that works:

At the beginning of computerized record keeping, programmers would compete to write the best programs for some basic things such as a calendar. Then they would share their work and see if someone could make it even better. As a result, there are only a few routines for calculating dates and they mostly all calculate the year the same way.

Remember that computers don't “really see” base 10 numbers, only base 2 ones. So the year 1900 is commonly assigned as the arbitrary year one. The way that certain years are denoted in binary is as follows;

1900 = 0000 0010

2000 = 1100 1001

2028 = 1111 1111

So you see the problem? Y2K was never going to hit on 12/31/99. If it ever comes to pass, 12/31/28 is the day when some of the older pre-Y2K software would roll over. Hopefully, the whole Y2K nonsense has pretty much taken care of that old code but who knows where there may still be fragments of it ready to trip?

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If 1900 == 0000 0001 (1)

then 2000 = 0110 0101 (101)

1111 1111 (255) => 2154

0111 1111 (127) => 2026.

Doesn't quite work, AFAICS.

If 1901 is assigned as year zero, (0000 0000) then

2028 will be 0111 1111.

FWIW, 'time zero' in Unix, PHP, MySQL, etc is Jan 1, 1970.

Many different dates have been used.

Network Time Protocol, very relevant to the Internet, uses Jan 1 1900.

Windows uses Jan 1 1601, the origin of the Gregorian calendar cycle in effect when Windows was developed.

I think the road towards atheism for a 'normal' believer probably tends to be a more private thing (it was for me).  It isn't pleasant to subject your theism to scrutiny by third parties, and you have to be a very savvy theist to debate on forums like this and not sound like an idiot.  The 'normal' theists who are not interested in atheism aren't very interested in theism either and probably don't spend much time thinking about their own theism in the first place.

So in short, theists who are interested in challenging their beliefs tend to be extreme cases.

Human Beings are so over dramatic. I'm always like , Chill out guys.

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  We've made it past the 11:11 GMT deadline.  A new Maya calendar cycle now begins.  Time for a new fake end of the world story.