I'm a believer in God. Can you please help me fix it? [Trollville]
Offline I'm a believer in God. Can you please help fix it?
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Offline Is the world flat or round?
Does the Earth revolve around the Sun?
In 2008, we're pretty sure of the truth of these questions.
So is there an absolute truth, where everything outside of it is a lie?
There must be.
Otherwise there is no such thing as truth, only what we want it to be. And we can't all be right.
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Offline Is the world flat or round?
Does the Earth revolve around the Sun?
In 2008, we're pretty sure of the truth of these questions.
So is there an absolute truth, where everything outside of it is a lie?
There must be.
Otherwise there is no such thing as truth, only what we want it to be. And we can't all be right.
I am a minimalist theist, I have the human certainty that God exists, and I understand God to be the maker of heaven and earth. About truth, there is such a thing as truth or truths only we don't know the whole truths and nothing but the truths. In the meantime as we live and conduct our affairs we have got to observe the laws of biology and physics as we know them if for no other reason except to live safely, healthily, happily, and for long years. About atheists, I see most broadly that there are two kinds, the angry kind and the non-angry kind. Theists and atheists and all other humans make up mankind. Now if we consider mankind as a family, then all of us are children of our parents, though some be theists and others be atheists, and others be all kinds of people who believe in all kinds of worldviews. Among the children the atheists are of two kinds, the angry ones and the non-angry ones. I suggest that we all atheists and theists and all other children of the mankind family work together to analyze the anger of angry atheists and since anger is an unhappy emotion that can be very destructive to the family, let us all find out after having analyzed the anger of angry atheists any remedies to dissipate the anger of angry atheists. I am not registering and am happy to just post here in this section where anyone not registered can post, because that will save me from being banned if and when the people in charge here want to ban me. But I guess they can always just the same physically with computer programming keep me from posting here, in which case I guess it would be because they do not believe in free and civil speech, at least not for me and not here in this forum where they are the owners/operators. Yes, I have been banned elsewhere for writing the way I write as shown for example in the present post from myself. Mdejess
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Offline There can be no maker, no beginning, therefore g-o-d can only be defined as what is, ATHEIST, NO MASTER.
Priests wear funny clothes .... FUCK any view that isn't "Atheistic". Thermodynamics is gospel this day .... All is one, NO MASTER .... da da, obviously, I AM GOD AS YOU.
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Offline Then this forum is making a false advertisement. The motto says:
Believe in God? We can fix that.
So, what is your best evidence for what you believe in? I have some pretty awesome evidence of my own... Care to share?
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Offline Paisley wrote:Then this forum is making a false advertisement. The motto says:
Believe in God? We can fix that.
So, what is your best evidence for what you believe in? I have some pretty awesome evidence of my own... Care to share?
Faith is its own evidence.
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Offline Faith is its own evidence.
Faith is belief without evidence. If you believe your faith is valid then claim that, but do not claim it is based on evidence. If you had evidence you wouldn't use the word faith.
"I am that I am." - Proof that the writers of the bible were beyond stoned.
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Offline Paisley wrote:Faith is its own evidence.Faith is belief without evidence. If you believe your faith is valid then claim that, but do not claim it is based on evidence. If you had evidence you wouldn't use the word faith.
That's the atheist's definition of faith. Religious faith as believers actually experience it is a nonsensory perception.
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Offline I'm a believer in God. Can you please help fix it?
Gimme five minutes.
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Offline anniet wrote:Paisley wrote:Faith is its own evidence.Faith is belief without evidence. If you believe your faith is valid then claim that, but do not claim it is based on evidence. If you had evidence you wouldn't use the word faith.
That's the atheist's definition of faith. Religious faith as believers actually experience it is a nonsensory perception.
And it is your belief that atheism is an actual organized clique, like religion. Really, this is the most organized atheism has ever gotten. To each his own, correct?
I don't have the time to cater to your religious beliefs. Its much less time consuming to simply mock them, and, on occasion, give a reasonable explanation as to why I do so. But that's if I'm in a good mood.
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Offline anniet wrote:Paisley wrote:Faith is its own evidence.Faith is belief without evidence. If you believe your faith is valid then claim that, but do not claim it is based on evidence. If you had evidence you wouldn't use the word faith.
That's the atheist's definition of faith. Religious faith as believers actually experience it is a nonsensory perception.
"faith" is nothing more than a deliberate suspension of disbelief.
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Offline Paisley wrote:I'm a believer in God. Can you please help fix it?Gimme five minutes.
You have your five minutes. Go for it.
"Scientists animated by the purpose of proving they are purposeless constitute an interesting subject for study." - Alfred North Whitehead
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Offline Paisley wrote:That's the atheist's definition of faith. Religious faith as believers actually experience it is a nonsensory perception.And it is your belief that atheism is an actual organized clique, like religion. Really, this is the most organized atheism has ever gotten. To each his own, correct?
I fail to see the connection between my comment and your response. Who's talking about organized atheism?
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Offline Paisley wrote:That's the atheist's definition of faith. Religious faith as believers actually experience it is a nonsensory perception."faith" is nothing more than a deliberate suspension of disbelief.
Faith is a spiritual faculty that can be cultivated. But it does appear that some are more endowed with it than others.
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That's the atheist's definition of faith. Religious faith as believers actually experience it is a nonsensory perception.
Nonsensory perception, huh? Seeing as our senses are what give us the inputs to perceive anything, your definition is nonsensical. If you are going to claim that humans perceive something without using their known senses, you are going to have to provide proof for your assertion or be dismissed as a new age crackpot. Even something like LSD uses a change in perspective and the known senses, not something beyond the senses - although it can feel like that at the time. That's why you test such things scientifically, to see what's really going on. Studies have been conducted on prayer, meditation, etc. and nobody has found any sort of perception that goes beyond the known senses to my knowledge.
As to the atheist definition - here is a dictionary definition:
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.6. A set of principles or beliefs.http://www.thefreedictionary.com/faith Nothing here even implies that the theist has any sort of evidence for their belief. I see trust, loyalty, allegiance, but nothing remotely close to proof, or anything that warrants such emotions. Faith is belief without evidence.
"I am that I am." - Proof that the writers of the bible were beyond stoned.
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Offline As to the atheist definition - here is a dictionary definition:1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.6. A set of principles or beliefs.http://www.thefreedictionary.com/faith Nothing here even implies that the theist has any sort of evidence for their belief. I see trust, loyalty, allegiance, but nothing remotely close to proof, or anything that warrants such emotions. Faith is belief without evidence.
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Offline Paisley wrote:That's the atheist's definition of faith. Religious faith as believers actually experience it is a nonsensory perception.Nonsensory perception, huh? Seeing as our senses are what give us the inputs to perceive anything, your definition is nonsensical. If you are going to claim that humans perceive something without using their known senses, you are going to have to provide proof for your assertion or be dismissed as a new age crackpot.
I used the term "nonsensory" to mean as not pertaining to the physical senses (i.e. tactile, olfactory, auditory, and visual). If you like, you can call it a nonphysical sense or an intuitive sense. As a theist, I believe that I am always being lured by the divine aim.
Even something like LSD uses a change in perspective and the known senses, not something beyond the senses - although it can feel like that at the time. That's why you test such things scientifically, to see what's really going on. Studies have been conducted on prayer, meditation, etc. and nobody has found any sort of perception that goes beyond the known senses to my knowledge.
Studies employing psychedelic drugs have lead to the development of the field of transpersonal psychology. And there is scientific evidence for psi phenomena (e.g. extra-sensory perception...see the link below for a video presentation given by Dean Radin on the subject matter).
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You know, I bet if we have the patience for it, Paisley'll be good for 1000 pages of thread.
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." - The Waco Kid
Yeah B , as you mean a thousand more ! YUP, P loves us , and I love P. Thing is, I love P more !
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I bet you're right....and after he has proudly crafted his 250,000'th rebuttal he will still have absolutely nothing to show for it. How's that for being absurd ?
( Paisley at keyboard: "I must defeat atheists ! I must defeat atheists ! I must defeat atheists ! "
But the fact is that you're not accepting the logical conclusion of your worldview - namely, that it is absurd. And this is made evident in your following post.
Your worldview is absurd. Ranting and raving will not change this fact.
"Scientists animated by the purpose of proving they are purposeless constitute an interesting subject for study." - Alfred North Whitehead
Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.
You already conceded this point in post #218 pg. 7. Let's refresh your memory by reposting it here...
"Scientists animated by the purpose of proving they are purposeless constitute an interesting subject for study." - Alfred North Whitehead
The "so what" is that there is no "perhaps." Based on your worldview, your personal life is ultimately meaningless and pointless. Please acknowledge it without making any qualifications or preconditions.
If it were not viewed as some kind of weakness, then atheists participating in this thread would not continue to deny it.
I'm not getting worked up. Quite the contrary. The atheists on this thread are the ones having the hissy fit. Why? Because they cannot acknowledge that, based on their worldview of atheistic materialism, their personal lives are ultimately meaningless and pointless.
I'm not offended. I'm simply demanding a modicum of intellectual honesty in this discussion. If you believe that life is ulitmately without meaning and purpose, then I must insist that you conclude that your personal life is ultimately meaningless and pointless.
I'm not demanding anything except that you admit the logical conclusions of your worldview.
Incidentally, it would appear that most atheists on this forum find fulfilment by spending an inordinate amount of their personal time arguing against a so-called "non-existent" God. How absurd is this?!
"Scientists animated by the purpose of proving they are purposeless constitute an interesting subject for study." - Alfred North Whitehead
Actually my choice of ProzacDeathWish is based upon a severe chemical imbalance inside of my brain that induces deep despair ( hence my poetic usage ). It is an inherited condition completely beyond my control. Even when I was a "Born again, Bible believing, prayer saying, church going THEIST" I suffered in the same way and experienced the same despair.
What a devious way for you to interpret my mental illness. I was born this way you fucking jerk. It hasn't a thing to do with my current lack of theistic beliefs.
Also, I will interpret your preceding post as your concession that you are an utter MORON.
No, I haven't ignored you. I have repeatedly stated in this thread that if something is absurd then it is irrational by definition.
Your worldview is "ridiculously unreasonable, unsound or incongruous."
Your worldview "has no rational or orderly relationship to human life."
Your worldview is "meaningless."
Your wordview is one "lacking order or value."
Your worldview is ABSURD!
Evidently, you are confusing a circular argument with the definition of a "synonym." This is...well...absurd!
I said that my belief is borne of faith. What is "wishful thinking" is the atheist's belief that he can oppose the Will of God.
You err. Faith is not the lack of emotional fortitude. Quite the contrary. It is the power of God which expresses itself in the believer as the "courage to be." Without faith, there is no emotional fortitude. Without faith, there is no courage to face the vagaries and vicissitudes of life.
"Scientists animated by the purpose of proving they are purposeless constitute an interesting subject for study." - Alfred North Whitehead
What I think many others continue to deny though I’m sure they’ll “ultimately” (pun intended) speak for themselves, and what I’m denying right now, is the importance to all this. I don’t believe my life is ultimately meaningful. And, being that it probably isn’t, I’m not concerned about it. What I am concerned with, is why you’re concerned that I don’t perceive any ultimate meaning.
Though I’m not sure about the terms’ accuracy, I’ll say for the sake of argument that I’m a “materialist atheist”, and I will conclude and concede that I have no ultimate meaning. Now, I ask you: so what?
On the other hand, I’m under the impression from reading this thread (an arduous task) is that when many atheists have responded in rebuttal to your ultimate meaning, they were talking about personal meaning. And, you take that to mean that they’re saying they have ultimate meaning… maybe I’m wrong?
Many atheists I believe, and I myself, have personal meaning in my life. That is, non-ultimate meaning.
I can’t go that far, but I will say that I don’t believe life is ultimately meaningful, and I also don’t believe that my personal life is ultimately meaningful. I don’t have the impression, though I could be wrong, that anyone else here has said anything different.
Do you find (if even a little) fulfillment teaching children how to think that Zeus, the easter bunny, etc… don’t exist? I hope so.
A person with delusions can be dangerous… a whole society with delusions can be extremely dangerous.
And, what was the OP? Oh yea, something about you (apparently challenging us, not asking us) to fix your god-belief. Would you rather we not reply? If that be the case, why bother posting the OP in the first place?
You're making my point. Evidently, the only thing you're capable of is making lame, personal attacks. If you want to debate, then I suggest you learn how to construct a logical argument. If not, then don't bother.
"Scientists animated by the purpose of proving they are purposeless constitute an interesting subject for study." - Alfred North Whitehead
I have no faith in God. Yet I have so far faced up to the unrelenting torment of mental illness....with help from no one. Oh, it's a lot of fun.
I only wish that I could somehow project that turmoil into your little virgin mind just so I could watch you crumble under it's unexpected weight......then watch you cry out to your god, you pussy.
Let me now imitate teacher P. "My appreciation and awe of everything (gawed) is better than yours, therefore yours is absurd. Now that you understand this "faith" of mine, have a nice day you fools! "
Wow, thanks teacher P, I feel healed now .....?!
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Our worldviews are rather meaningful.
Our worldviews consist of:
Gravity - all objects fall toward the center of all other objects (of course this creates a kind of tug-of-war where matter clumps together etc&hellip
The earth is round.
2+2 = 4.
Etc…
My family and friends love me.
This is Saturday of May.
My hair is probably in need of being cut, and it is brown. (this applies specifically to me)
I have visited my mother recently. (this applies specifically to me)
Etc…
Explain to me Paisley, how any of these elements of a given worldview are irrational? Or that their collection is altogether irrational? These worldviews will of course correlate to specific lives, but nevertheless each individual’s worldview and thus life is probably not without meaning. Without ultimate meaning perhaps, but not without any meaning that I can see.
What about your own magnificently constructed arguments ? What have you to show for all your effort ? Pages and pages of posts from people who disagree with you ?
Oh yes, and your childish gimmick of manufacturing victories by accusing us of "conceding" this or that point when you know that we have done no such thing. I believe those qualify as hollow victories.
Or that lame assertion of our "lurking god belief" followed by a liberal sprinkling of your favorite word "absurd"
You haven't come anywhere close to proving what you want. Mere assertions and language tricks wont work here. Only dillholes use those methods. Don't you wonder why this wound up in trollville?
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Er... sorry, you're wrong again. Here, let me spell it out for you:
In the sense of 'absurd' that means 'lacking ultimate meaning', I operate under an absurd worldview: My worldview neither ascribes, nor compels me to seek, an 'ultimate meaning'. I accept this. I embrace it. At no point has anyone here arguing in favor of the lack of ultimate meaning denied that particular (and ultimately meaningless) point of semantics. However, in the sense of 'absurd' that means 'silly, nonsensical, foolish', that absurdity is not absurd, which is the conflation you have consistently attempted to enforce.
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." - The Waco Kid
Thanks for reinforcing the viewpoint that theists are suffering from delusion disorder.
"Based on your worldview, your personal life is ultimately meaningless and pointless. Please acknowledge it without making any qualifications or preconditions. "
No, it is only you that is saying that without god our life is meaningless and pointless. We are free to give our lives our own meaning. I think it is up to an individual to decide whether their life is pointless or not, you can't decide that for them.
"If it were not viewed as some kind of weakness, then atheists participating in this thread would not continue to deny it. "
Or we could continue to deny it because it is not true. That is a very good reason. Otherwise I can turn the tables easily enough. You keep denying that your god does not exist, therefore he does not exist. see how that is crap logic?
"I'm not getting worked up. Quite the contrary. The atheists on this thread are the ones having the hissy fit. Why? Because they cannot acknowledge that, based on their worldview of atheistic materialism, their personal lives are ultimately meaningless and pointless."
See above, just because you keep sayng something does not make it true.
"I'm not offended. I'm simply demanding a modicum of intellectual honesty in this discussion. If you believe that life is ulitmately without meaning and purpose, then I must insist that you conclude that your personal life is ultimately meaningless and pointless."
Didn't you just say that we won't admit it? Who has said that we believe that? Where is your intellectual honesty?
"Incidentally, it would appear that most atheists on this forum find fulfilment by spending an inordinate amount of their personal time arguing against a so-called "non-existent" God. How absurd is this?!"
We do this because people like you keep saying that there is a god. If someone kept telling you that there was an invisiable UFO parked on your front lawn, I'm sure you would keep denying it. Stop saying that there is a god and we won't have to bother.
I think we need to go back to post #1. NO. I really don't think that we can help you.
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Jesus said, "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division." - Luke 12:51
I must say, you Atheists are a "saving healing" bunch. I feel that "gawedly" love !
)))) "I feel good (horns sound) like sugar and spice" ......
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I believe this insufferably long thread is actually an indication of Paisley's inability to come to grips with the fact that most of we atheists are actually quite happy with our lack of god-belief. We have no need of his superstitions and apparently that greatly annoys him.
Perhaps he came here expecting to achieve some sort of philosophical victory in the name of theism and when it didn't happen he only grew more determined to relegate us to some dreary, "absurd" meaningless life.
( P = Paisley, A = Atheist )
P. "You have a meaningless, absurd life."
A. "No I don't. I live a vibrant, rewarding life"
P. "You are wrong. The Universal Mind told me that your existence is unsatisfying and dreary."
A. "I don't believe in the Universal Mind."
P. "Oh, so you concede that I am right !"
A. "What the fuck ?"
Numerous atheists denied his baseless assertions and began to admit that they were quite happy and fulfilled living their lives completely free of theism.....and that must have utterly pissed him off.
In summary:
1.) Paisley's arrogance and overconfidence is what brought this thread into existence...
and
2.) his inability to suppress the reality of contentment and fulfillment among the majority of his atheist opponents produced a sense of frustration that kept him coming back over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.........
3.) He was unable to convince us of the superiority of his superstitous beliefs and he cannot accept that.
4.) Even though Paisley so passionately disapproves of our atheism it shall remain purely his own problem to deal with....as it should be.
Expect a rebuttal from Paisley to arrive very soon......
If you're curious, he's spewing more shit over here:
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/13046
Yes, you have ignored me. I have pointed out to you more than once that in order to demonstrate that the absurd worldview (i.e, the worldview that life is ultimately meaningless) is irrational, you must show how that worldview is fallacious or contradictory. Conversely (as I have pointed out to you -- MORE THAN ONCE), you need to demonstrate rationally (not NON-rationally...read that again paisley; RATIONALLY, not NON-rationally), the basis for your worldview. Must I remind you how many times in succession I asked you to:
which you effectively ignored before conveniently switching your tune?
Equivocating on the definition of a word and then availing yourself of a dictionary entry does not constitute a sound argument. Even should I charitably allow your equivocation, you still fail: I have already clearly acknowledged (more than once) that life lacks value; that our existence is indeed absurd. This happens to be just one of the alternate meanings listed for the 2nd definition. For you to baldly apply the 1st definition as well is a gross (and desperate) act of conflation. If this is the only way you can arrive at your conclusion that atheism is irrational, then you have nothing.
And...since you rely so slavishly on reference books for saving your sorry arguments: A brief consultation of any book of logic would apprise you that presupposition (something you openly admit to using in formulating your belief in god) is inadmissible in a logical argument. You should know full well that any argument that presupposes god's existence is illogical. Irrational. Absurd.
I have already pointed this out to you. And yes, you have ignored it.
Your argument is ridiculously unreasonable, unsound and incongruous.
Your argument is meaningless.
Your argument lacks value.
Your argument is ... Pferdscheiß.
Evidently, you are confused; playing ping-pong with synonyms is effectively the same thing as a circular argument.
Providing a synonym when asked for a definition, and then merely providing the antecedent when asked for the definition of said synonym is circular. I know you rode the short bus to logic school, but there is no excuse for being confused about this. You in no way advance your argument, nor our ability to understand your argument by regurgitating "I is A...A is I" over and over. Should you in fact hold any interest in advancing your argument, let me advise you (yet again), that:
in order to demonstrate that the absurd worldview (i.e, the worldview that life is ultimately meaningless) is irrational, you must show how that worldview is fallacious or contradictory. Conversely (as I have pointed out to you -- MORE THAN ONCE), you need to demonstrate rationally (not NON-rationally...read that again paisley; RATIONALLY, not NON-rationally), the basis for your worldview.
And yes, you have ignored me. By all leading indicators, you will continue to do so.
Paisley wrote:
You, for your part, conceded the point that your belief was "wishful thinking or fantasy". If you don't believe me, have the integrity to click on the generously provided link this time. And have the integrity not to project your fatuousness onto me; I don't believe in god, let alone a will of god for me to oppose. Don't make false accusations. Makes you look bad.
You err...and you know full well that you do. The atheist, ipso facto, faces the vagaries and vicissitudes of life without any opium-laced "god is love" belief. Once again...(try not to ignore it this time) YOU CONCEDED THE POINT THAT YOUR BELIEF IS "WISHFUL THINKING OR FANTASY". You are the one fantasizing that god exists, in order to cope with your absurd existence. Inventing imaginary friends to help you face reality is hardly an act of courage.
Yet another instance of your hodge-podge strategy of defending this nebulous, poorly-defined god-belief of yours. As you freely admitted in another one of your threads of abject inanity:
Quite so. You will keep vomiting the same tropes, quoting incongruous sources, and spouting incoherent drivel to support this pantheistic, panENtheistic, non-christian --oops!-- trinitarian, tantric, rational --oops!-- non-rational, presupposed, intuitive, tongue-in-cheek, wishful-thinking, (and much, much MORE!!!) belief in "god".
And whenever your "argument" falters -- which is pretty much always, you will gladly backtrack, re-define, dodge and ignore...as you see appropriate.
Let's look at that definition of absurd again.
[edited for venom and links]
There are no theists on operating tables.
Geezz Paisley, I wish you'd focus on smashing the "god of abe". I think you'd be more "worldly" helpful. I am fine with"everything is god" if NO dogma is implied. To me, "Good" Pantheism is without dogma, and just communicating the "awe" of consciousness, and can be very helpful to healing the god of abe followers. .... Thing is, the atheists are in awe too, as I AM, as we all are. .... Language babel is a huge problem ....
Save the Xains P, the atheists are "saved" .... zero superstition .... zero dogma ....
For whats is worth , thanks a bunch Paisley, REALLY , and keep your love light burning .... Now wise up Jesus scolded, quick draw, emotional Peter, calling him Satan ....
why ? > DOGMA <
Hey, no one is perfect ! Not even Jesus/Buddha ..... Let's all get smarter. Love the enemy !
I confess, I AM guilty ..... you all are my witnesses ! Dang me, they oughta take rope and hang me .....
Thanks for forgiving me, and understanding ..... I am only god too, just as you .... 
Reach for Utopia !
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So, Paisley is trapped in this carrousel he's constructed now:
1) A materialistic world view is one where there is no ultimate purpose in life.
2) I'll use 'absurd' as meaning "Having no ultimate purpose"
3) So, a materialistic world view is an absurd one (having no ultimate purpose)
4) Now, I'll use 'absurd' as meaning "unreasonable"
5) A materialistic world view is an absurd one (unreasonable)
Therefore:
6) A materialistic world view is unreasonable
I guess the more you repeat it the longer the demons of cognitive dissonance will stay away.
The atheist views the world as ultimately being absurd. Hence, he has an absurd worldview. It's that simple. Even your fellow atheists are conceding this point...
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Don't get too dizzy, old sport.
Paisley. Most of us can debate both sides of the "absurd" issue. Yin Yang. Keeping a sense of the "middle" is important, the buddhists remind us. Let's ponder some "stupid"
, ???
The cosmos has no beginning, end, nor purpose? Or, the cosmos is self aware and knows its purpose? I am a product of the universe. Do I have purpose, and am I really aware, and if so, to what degree? Should I "judge" the degree?
We can go on and on with this stuff, but I'm really extra brain dead tonight. Where's my rum ? ..... found it !
Thing is, by these very questions we all have, we can say everything is both, absurd, and not absurd. I had no choice in my creation nor destiny?, so I am absurd? I am energy/matter so I can never die? , so I am not absurd? Is how smart I am a clue to my absurdity questions? If I knew everything, what would the answer be? Are some people absurd and others not? What about a tree?
My point is; this is leading me no where, except to realize the questioning is intuitive to my human nature. Does every thing that exists have an opposite? Or when they do, is one right and good and the other bad and wrong?
questions / answers, is that all there is ? And anti E/M too ? Absurd? yes/no ?
Proper Judgment ? That's a doozzzie ! .... Like the "free will" debates .... LMFAO? , is my favorite answer. Story atheist Buddha laughed when asked about 'gawed' ! Story atheist Jesus wasn't so fortunate .... Ouch ....
What is progress ??? !!! OH , No more people as dumb as ME !!!
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According to your views what exactly makes the "ultimate purpose" purposeful?
Sounds made up...
Agnostic Atheist
No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
Which does not mean the atheist worldview is unreasonable, which is what you strongly imply. Either demonstrate that your conflation of semantics has value, or concede that it's simply linguistic sleight-of-hand.
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." - The Waco Kid
"Absurd, absurd, concede, absurd, concede, absurd, concede......."
Paisley totally lacks *self awareness, doesn't he ? I'm surprised he didn't throw in a couple of "lurking god beliefs" in for good measure. He's now actually become a living parody of himself. How bizarre.