Fuck the church - if it wasn't registered it wasn't a real marriage. Even if it was, she could get a divorce from a JP and tell the church to get stuffed. I'm looking too, but I don't know about you, but it seems the only women attracted to me are Christian - the atheist women have way too high standards.

Well if I wanted to do that I'd become a Priest.

Maybe you should wear a T-Shirt with the picture of Jesus Fucking Christ on it.

I think that's cause atheist women aren't going to be that horny since they can have sex when and with whom they want, they don't have to please anyone but themselves, so they're harder to get. The hardcore Christian women are like a Venus Fly/man trap. Also, I don't think many woman are going to admit they are atheist, with all the anti-atheist propaganda, they think atheist woman means slut. I actually met a Christian prostitute one time, she couldn't work on Sundays or church holidays. She would confess her on the job sins, then go back to work the next day.

My own theory is that most people are closet atheists, so you got to date the Christian/Theist women then get them out of the closet. But you have to subtle about being an atheist and you may need to lie a bit in the beginning.

P.S. Have you tried any atheist dating sites?

I didn't say I wouldn't date them.I would just try be honest about who I am from the beginning. If they're still willing to date me after that, then sure. I'd do my best to help them with their theism, and have a date. I'm not anti-dating theists,just won't lie to get the date.

So will many guys stop dating you if they know you're an atheist? I thought it was only us guys that have this dilemma.

But when you meet someone on these sites, don't you chat for a long time about what you think and believe before you meet them? I hate online dating sites cause you don't really get to know the person before you meet them, then it's awkward when you meet. But, I thought maybe the atheist/freethinker sites might be OK because you could chat with the person for a while about what you think and believe before deciding to meet them. You get to know more about them than just the profile and picture.

Well I am single but I don't think atheism is the reason.  If anything, being outspoken has been the reason I've actually met the few people I have dated.  No one has stopped dating me because I was an atheist but I can't think of anyone who didn't know I was an atheist before the date.

The atheist impostor on freethinkermatch did chat with me on line for a while but he lied... apparently he thought he could get me to accept jesus as my lord and savior if he could talk to me in person.

In general, however, I think I get to know someone better if I meet them online... you at least typically chat with someone for a week or two before meeting and IRL you really know much less - IMO.  Of course there is the whole "did they send a real picture" thing but these days with myspace and whatnot people post so many pictures that it's harder to be drawn in by a senior citizen's high school graduation photo.

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I usually try to stick with what I know to be factually true, not just anecdotally true, but I for this question, all I can do is give my best opinion.  Please take what follows accordingly.

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I don't know what common law says about marriages that were performed by the church but not registered by the state.  However, for state marriages, annulment is usually only available within a few days of being married.

How long do you plan to date them?  If you're not planning on going long term, I honestly wouldn't bother talking about it unless she specifically asks.  Atheist/theist becomes a problem when you start doing couple things like moving in together, having kids, planning vacations, etc.  When it's just casual dating, it's one of those things that to me, anyway, isn't worth talking about.

As for the lying part, my personal take is that I owe it to the world to not lie about my atheism.  Everyone needs to know how many of us there are, and I can't pretend to be a theist for a lay.  My own reputation hinges on my atheism, so I don't want to tarnish it for something as temporary as that.  I have no idea what your views on this are, so I don't really know what to recommend.  People lie to get laid all the time.  Men and women.  If your reputation isn't important to you, I don't think lying about atheism is the worst thing you could lie about.  Lying about herpes would be much worse.

Oh... one thing.  If you don't have a vasectomy, better make sure you wear an extra-heavy-duty condom if you decide to lie to a theist to get laid.  The last thing you want is an 18 year fight with a Christian who not only hates your lying atheist ass, but has the legal clout to drain your bank account at will.

what's with all the atheist men out there claiming they can't get a date meanwhile I'm spending friday nights with my cat?

Yeah.  That is a problem.

It's my experience that you're not going to find many atheists on dating sites.  You can figure that out for yourself.  Just go to a few where they let you browse for free and do a search for atheists.  Maybe one in a hundred, and to be honest, they don't appear to be... um... what's that word I'm looking for..... sane.

Do you plan on having any (more?) children?  It's my opinion that religion is a lot less important if there aren't going to be kids.  If you're done with the procreating, get yourself snipped.  It's easy.  It only hurts for a couple of days.  You can't tell the difference afterward.  It's a LOT cheaper than child support.

If you're not done making babies, you have to be honest up front.

If you were to date a theist long term, would her church attendance be a problem for you?  What about saying grace before meals, etc?  If you're ok with that kind of thing, tell her that you're an atheist, but that you're cool with her practicing her religion *within reason* and then be specific about what you mean.  If she's really into you, she'll probably be ok with that.  I think that if you can basically keep your mouth shut about religion, and not make "stupid Christian" jokes, you could probably date a moderate theist.  It's all about how much bullshit you can tolerate if she's cool in a lot of other areas.

I know what the bible says, it's pretty clear premarital sex is a really bad sin and these moderates all know it. These moderates never tell which parts they believe and which not and why, intellectually dishonest. So a woman that says she "believes" the bible yet has sex outside marriage is lying just as I would be if I said I believed in God to get laid. We'd both be lying to get laid.

But you're right, relationships are so poisioned by religion, that it's best to avoid the topic until absolutely necessary.

Yep.  I don't believe in allowing myself to be intellectually dishonest just because the theists are.  Isn't that why we're fighting theism?

Do you want to get your rocks off or get a stable long term thing?  One of my favorite sayings is, "Sometimes you can have anything you want, but you can never have everything you want."

If you lie to get laid, you're not looking for a LTR.   If you want a LTR, you need to be honest.

Then be straight up, I have always being honest about my atheistic views, however for one night stands and want nots, lie your ass off if that is your thing and have no intentions of ever seeing this person, make it like your in vegas baby. This goes for women too.

  I would love to do Shelley, "A Whole Lotta ...."  good !

Getting Laid ?  Telling girls I AM god works for me ! Ummm, that is,  "I AM what I AM !   Godly ! "    Hey, fuck yeah,  from my place in time ..... I got imagination and toys, DESIRE to go the distance,  to boldly go .... to the outer reaches of orgasmic pleasure !       

But I love cats! They're more atheist than dogs.

Ugh. Have you learned nothing from my teachings? If you want to get laid, be a jerk. Try it - it works.

Long term? That's so much more complicated.

I'm glad you added that last part, because that was a pretty hefty generalization! lol (OK so maybe I do come off that way to a lot of people, but come on, now...)

I can't say that I wouldn't date someone who was religious... I also can't say I believe it would last very long, either. Since I immediately scoff at pretty much anything I see that involves being touched by god (teehee) or encountering some spiritual epiphany, I'm pretty sure unless he was a major weenie, he'd get pissed at me pretty fast. Not to mention the reason I love my atheist boyfriend so much now is because we debate intelligently about absolutely anything and everything, and this is exciting and hot to me. If we couldn't do that and he had to argue with me that his skydaddy is real (therefore diluting his argumentative and discussion abilities in most other categories, particularly in the marriage and future department), I can't say the other amazing qualities he possesses wouldn't be enough to keep me interested, but most of the fire would be gone.

I don't know, I pretty much flat out state I'm an atheist to anyone who gives a crap to know enough about me to mention something in the lanes of religion and faith. If they don't like it, tough titty said the kitty when the milk went dry. I 100% agree with the being-more-difficult-to-impress aspect, because since you have to be capable of critical thought to be an atheist, you're obviously not going to be turned on by anything less than that. Daisy May is easy prey! So, to the OP, if you are still just trying to get laid, I say get your priest collar and gold crucifix chain out!!!

I think Christian women would be much easier to fool than an atheist. They got the faith thing going so you can trick them into thinking you're a good Christian guy without any evidence. Just use music, flowers, nice words, etc... just like church does to get them to believe something is true without evidence. They just need to feel good about you. You can usually convince them you are Christian by singing a song to that effect and speaking in Christian vernacular.

The problem may be getting laid without saying the magic words in the magic building(aka church wedding), depending on whether their particular version of a loving God tortures people for having premarital sex. Usually, he likes to torture atheists for premarital sex, but he conveniently forgives Christian women if they do mess up.

Not even the ones whose religion dictates they facesit and fuck the brains out of their partners?

                       Cats are fine, even if they are not kittens you can still BBQ  them.  Has for dating;   my wife doesn't like me doing that so I realy can't help you there.

Thats why I am not jealous of the beautiful or rich. Our attractions are not always rational, not to mention are never the same.

I am attracted to Anjolina Jolie, but isn't it funny that men would still date her if she were a waitress and not rich, but when Cher dated a pizza delivery guy, they broke up because of a stupid stigma.

I agree that there are more of one in this ratio than the other, but life is a range not an absolute and rarity does not mean it is not part of evolution.

I am happy for any human who is happy with what they have. I get upset with people that project themselves on others. And to imply that women don't compete themselves, is absurd, otherwise they wouldn't put on makeup.

There are differences between men and women physically, without a doubt. But within both sexes there still is a range and our utopias do not reflect that range.

I see nothing wrong with a woman saving a man's life. I see nothing wrong with a woman competing for a job and getting it. I see nothing wrong with a man losing a job to a woman. And I also see nothing wrong with a woman supporting a man.

Technology and pluralism has allowed our species to look for more options in diversity so the old "social norms" don't always have to apply. We now know how ridiculous it is to keep gays and lesbians from serving in our military, and I dont think any other aspect of life should be put in a box just because there are majorities and minorities.

I say, whatever works, works and let whomever be happy however it works, even if it is something we chose not to do ourselves.

I would have loved to have Xena Warrior Princess as a girlfriend in high school when the jocks picked on me. Why should I care what is between someone's legs if they are helping me out? I wouldn't shout "EWE, a gay man gave me mouth to mouth and saved my life".

I agree that there are majorities in our species, but their are also minorities that are part of that range, and we should not box ourselves in with labels or utopias that don't exist.

I don't think our species will die out if women take an equal role or even a leadership role. I think however the testosterone men suffer from, as much as it drives us to build, it also does as much damage in divisive tribalism.

There is this stupid utopia that a penis makes you invincible when the reality is that death doesn't care what sex, or sexuality you are.

Recognizing our evolution as a range and not an absolute will help us get over labels.

I find it's rare for an atheist woman to insist on an atheist or agnostic partner. As a rule they'll plug "Not important" into partner's religion. This is Australia of course, so religion just means driving past a church on sunday and blowing your horn.

Personally, I could only date an atheist and only an hysterical one at that. If I dated a christian I'd never let up. Never, ever, ever. Even a spiritual agnostic who hommed on their yoga mat would be like a proverbial red rag to a bullock.

Well I'm engaged to a rather devout christian lass, fortunately she's the exception that proves the rule in regard to christians I've encountered over the years. She knew from the start of the relationship that I am an athiest that tends to froth at the tusks on occasion and it has never caused an issue. We've been living together for just over 5 years now.

If that little explanation has any point it would be that in relationships odd things can and do happen. Provided in some issues like religion you both agree to keep out of each others noses and abide by that then the relationship can be fantastic. It differs from person to person but my lass never preaches or even really makes it known that she is devout. We have a diverse group of friends in that dept. as well and she not once judged anybody or behaved in a manner I've come to expect of christians. I think I may have found a rare species here

Old fart birthday party magician at bachelorette pad is OLD FART!

I'll stick to suicism/suitheism. (as I am in better control of my emotions and am utilitarian... I have better reason to think I am "godlike" than most)

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