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Hi

I’m currently studying ‘Virtual Communities’ at Uni and I have to do a Case Study on a particular online community.

I have been visiting this fascinating forum for some time now and have recently joined so if it’s ok with you guys can I ask if you really do feel that you are a part of a community and why?

Also, what was the reason you wanted to join this group in the first place?

If any of you could answer this post with a few thoughts that would be really great.

Thanks Ozgirl


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Hey and welcome!Yes,I feel

Hey and welcome!

Yes,I feel like I'm part of a community here. I first joined because I didn't know any atheists IRL,and was surronded by thieists. This place has become the atheist family and friends I never had. Many forums can have a sense of elitism among the regulars, but I've always seen newbies welcomed and their ideas taken seriously here. It can really help a lonely atheist.

Aside from that, the debates build a sense of camaderie in my opinion. It's nice that people can disargee with you in one debate but they won't let it get in the way of other topics. Even the few theist regulars are (mostly) liked and respected.

I think this site will always have a special place with me for providing that support when I needed it.

 

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Hi Ozgirl, welcome to the

Hi Ozgirl, welcome to the forums.

When I read the words "virtual communities" I can't help but think of 2nd life or WoW.

This is a forum community and the majority of subjects that are covered within this community are not virutal, rather real life issues so I am confused by your use of the word virtual.

BUT to answer your questions:

"Do you feel you are part of a community and why"

Yes I feel that I am part of a community of internet users. In the case of this particular forum, internet users with an interest in religion. I am atheist and this forum absolutely allows me to reach out to others that have no belief in god (and some that do) and enjoy sharing life stories and opinions with the group.

 

"what was the reason you wanted to join this group in the first place"

As with all the internet forums I joined and participate in: Interest in forum subjects.

 

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Great Answers

Thanks that is really interesting,

There has actually been quite a lot of scholarly debate about what virtual community really means and how it can influence ourlives. This has been going on since the early 1990's, well before SL and WOW. Howard Rheingold wrote The Virtual Community back in 1993. He based his ideas on his experiences in an online community called The Well.

 

But I suppose its relevance now is in some part due to the idea that their is a perceived  break down in real life community and that cyberspace communities and forums can help rebuild relationships and groups that are not geographically related, but instead linked together by common interests and passions. The question is, does this online fellowship constitute a community in the real sense of the word.

As part of my research I visted one of the many churches in SL, I even went to one of the services. Music, sermons everything. There was quite a few people in there, a virtual church gathering.  It was quite a wierd experience.

No stopping them!

Cheers

Ozgirl

 

 


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ozgirl wrote:The question

ozgirl wrote:

The question is, does this online fellowship constitute a community in the real sense of the word.

Absolutely, if the "real sense of the word" involves communication. I suppose the only difference with a traditional community is the means by which people communicate. Letter writing would have to be the closest thing historically to this kind of forum. If someone were to leave a small town for the city in Dickensian England, but kept writing letters, are they still part of the community? I would argue that they were (that is, provided someone is there willing to communicate with them, and they haven't been shunned).

Also note that there's a shunning mechanism (designating someone as a "Troll&quotEye-wink, authoritative elders (moderators & founders), and open dissenters who are still part of the community without being shunned (theists).

One odd feature, and the one that attracted me to the site even more than, say, the atheism or Kelly's boobs (which have their own presence and implied moral gravity on the site) is the meritocracy of reason. Members are rewarded in the community for having strong arguments or raising interesting points of discussion. Because of the skeptical theme, strong arguments are often able to trump formal social standing, so that a normal member can challenge a member labelled even as a founder or "core member" and the result is (from what I've seen) appreciation of the member's ideas. That dynamic runs counter to any social heirarchy I've seen outside the scientific community.

That said, it's unusual to see that kind of challenge be successful, what with the level of education among the moderators (which makes sense in an intellectual meritocracy) but arguments and ideas still trump social standing.

I hope that helps to answer your questions.

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ozgirl wrote: can I ask if

ozgirl wrote:

 can I ask if you really do feel that you are a part of a community and why?

I think it's natural for any group of people who are in a minority of some sort to feel part of a community when they come together to share ideas - even if the "coming together" part is done online as opposed to in person. The majority of the people in this community share one core belief - that there is no god. So even if we don't agree on everything, at the end of the day we know we share one critical belief. And sharing that one belief makes us more comfortable talking about pretty much anything else under the sun, whether we agree or not on a particular subject.

 

ozgirl wrote:

Also, what was the reason you wanted to join this group in the first place?

I've been an atheist for as long as I can remember. But the past couple of years, I was noticing that atheism was getting a lot more attention, and that was a validation for me. I came here to refine my ideas about atheism, and learn from others. I believe the percentage of the population identifying as atheist is going to increase steadil over the coming decades, and it's critical that we've got our best arguments pulled together.

Nobody I know was brainwashed into being an atheist.

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It's kind of a double edged

It's kind of a double edged sword here. I think being a true atheist causes one to be brutally honest. One has no fear of missing out on heaven and going to hell. No God, parents, pastors, spouses or anyone to please. So I believe one can be real here, no hidden agendas as on other forums.

 

So, I suppose it's kind of therapy for all the damage religion has done. But then you can be hurt by the unbridled honesty of others. If people think your opinions are BS they just tell you.

This is a unique time in history, when people around the world communicate anonymously. In the future, the Internet will probably no longer be anonymous. We may look back on this time nostalgically.

 

 

 

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I grew up in the very

I grew up in the very secular UK and now live in Australia. I think it is fair to say that we are still quite a secular society although I have noticed that in the last 10 years or so fundamentalist thinking is on the rise. I live on the Gold Coast, Queensland where Pentecostal and Baptist churches are taking a bit of a hold. We have even had missionaries from the US come over to try and convert us all!

Anyway thanks for your time, I love your site and appreciate what you are doing. It’s high time we had this debate. We are in the 21st century, I would have thought that humanity would have grown out of the need to believe in the supernatural and get on with managing the resources and fragile eco systems that we all depend upon. How can we work together and move forward if some of us are stuck in the past and mediaeval belief systems that stifle curiosity and development.

Cheers and thanks for your help

Ozgirl


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Hi ozgirl, and hi Renee.

Hi ozgirl, and hi Renee. Been a while. Smiling

 

In response to your questions:

 

This is definitely a community, and though I may be a relatively quiet part of it, I am definitely part of it.

I wanted to join in the first place for a few reasons. First, I had just moved, and the only people in the new place that I knew (my coworkers) were hardcore theists. I didn't really like that at the time, being more of an agnostic. When I finally became an atheist, I decided to seek out others and study philosophy so that I could really learn and understand my own position further, which was thencetofore an intuitional/non-rational one, rather than rational.

Secondly, I found out that these people had a chat room, and I've always enjoyed talking with people and making them laugh, while occasionally making them think. If you look at some of my other posts, I would at least hope you get to think a little!

Thirdly, I respect people who speak out for what they believe, but only if they've actually THOUGHT about what they believe, first. That made this forum ideal for me. I have much respect for Todangst and deludedgod and everyone, even the few theists who don't hold to the standard ideas.

Finally, most of the people here seem to be enlightened, humorous, and willing to think about what someone says before commenting on it. That's a big pull for me.

Over time, this place, Dr. Stephen Law's blog (http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com), debunking Christianity (http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com), and Pharyngula (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula) have honed my agnosticism into a razor sharp atheism. I thank them all for that on a regular basis, although not to their faces, so it's a bit of a hack. Smiling

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Does anyone know how many

Does anyone know how many RRS members there are currently?

 

Thanks

Ozgirl

 


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ozgirl wrote:Does anyone

ozgirl wrote:

Does anyone know how many RRS members there are currently?

I'm sure if you sent Sapient a message, and told him what it was for, he'd let you know.

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ozgirl wrote:Does anyone

ozgirl wrote:

Does anyone know how many RRS members there are currently?

 

Thanks

Ozgirl

 

 

"members" is also a broad term...

are you looking for:

a) people that feel they are part of the community
b) forum members
c) contributing forum members
d) core membership
e) active forum particpants
f) active activists

You have to remember that at it's core the RRS is an activist group with the rrs forum community as a byproduct of that activism.