Jesus on the cross, violation of the comandments?
Posted on: April 28, 2008 - 2:27pm
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Jesus on the cross, violation of the comandments?
This might be useful to point out how hypocritic Christianity is.
I've been thinking a bit, woldn't the image of jesus on the cross qualify as an "idol" or "graven image" as expressly forbidden in Exodus 20:4
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(king James bible). Even though the making of idols is expressly forbidden in some of the most important set of rules for followers of God, it's wierd that they do it do it regularly.4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
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Yep. Look at the history of the church. They've struggled with this question more than once, and not just with jewelry and stained glass. Every time some traveling minstrel invented a new way to play music, the church went through some fancy scripture-wrangling, usually outlawing the new heresy until it became obvious that they couldn't stop it.
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Heidegger had something to say about this I believe. He said that it is interesting how things went from Greek to Roman in just a few generations time, and all of it had to do with several key factors. The language of choice went from Greek (known in antiquity as an Elitest script) to Latin, or as Heidegger would have posited, from a fluid language to a stagnant language. And imagery seems to reflect that change as well. How interesting is it that the world of thought, literacy, science and exploration had been defaced when these fluid concepts were replaced by stagnant, anti-thought concepts of Christianity? How fascinating that this same change came when people stopped worshiping the sun, a moving object, to worshiping a man on a cross, which is quite stagnant?
However I must disagree, that Jesus dying on the cross coincides with scripture quite well. This was the intent of the author of Mark after all, using scripture to create a death suitable for his narrative using Isaiah, Malachi, Psalms and Paul's theology.
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I thought he meant that crucifixes were a violation of the injunction against graven images.
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If he did come back (just theorizing) do you think the first thing he would want to see is a cross? I mean that would just be bringing up bad memories for me, and you know all christians would be in his face saying "we knew youd be back see i always believed in you" while shoving a cross in his face...
Find your idol, put it on a high place (nails will hold it tight up there), enlight it, put candles and incense around it, kneel in front of it and speak very much and loudly. Evaluate the idol's outer appearance and ceremonial effect, call it a 'glory'. Consider yourself as unworthy of idol's glory.
It's the greatest separation from God, the organized religion. Is it as true, as a "truth in service of state".
In fact, christianity isn't an institution, which would Christ ever want to have anything in common. He would instantly see the Pharizees and merchants again occupying the Father's house, in fact, running all the business under Father's trademark. Unfortunately, there's no whip big enough in the world to drive them out of that temple.
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Carlin or some comic said basically what you did grind, and I agree. I wouldn't really want to be reminded of the object of my torture and subsequent death at my reunion extravaganza.
As for graven images, this seems a complex OT vs. NT argument. Jesus wasn't around when the OT was written, and I don't think prophecies about a messiah were made before Moses brought down the commandments(could be wrong about this). God was the only true God, and didn't want the possibility of people backsliding away from him to the old Gods and heathen interpretations of anthropomorphizing God.
Making a graven image of the death of his son/himself to pray to is definitely violating the commandments. I really wonder if this commandment was made to keep God amorphous and surrounded by wonder. The only reference we have to him was the "created in his image" line.
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That reminds me of why I became an atheist in the first place; sub-primery catholic school, we were told that pagen's worshiped stone idols as gods and ancient Greeks worshipped statues, and this was wrong. Then they would line us up in front of a statue of Mary or Jesus and tell us to pray. At age five I couldn't see the difference and nearly a half century later I still can't.
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Kinda reminds me of a joke I once heard, but i dont remember from where...
Q: Whats the difference between a picture of jesus, and jesus himself?
A: It only takes 1 nail to hang a picture.
I believe it was Carlin who I stole that joke from, cant remember which comic I heard it from but its stuck with me for one reason or another, but i cant tell it nearly as funny as he could... or it could of been when I did try to tell it, it was to my mother-in-law who is a very religious woman, she didnt find it so funny