Pope Benedict says: "Sex is a drug!"
Offline OK, to be fair he says sex can become a drug. But still - WTF?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/10/pope.sex.ap/index.html
Pope: Sex can become 'like a drug'
- Pope Benedict admits that Vatican's teaching against birth control is hard
- He praises document condemning contraception on its 40th anniversary
- Benedict concerned that human life risks losing its value in today's culture
- He worries that sex can "transform itself into a drug" one partner has to have
VATICAN CITY, Italy (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI acknowledged Saturday that the Vatican's teaching against birth control was difficult as he praised a 1968 Church document that condemned contraception.
In a speech marking the 40th anniversary of the document, Benedict reiterated the Church's ban against artificial birth control as well as more recent teaching against using artificial procreation methods.
Pope Paul VI's 1968 "Humanae vitae" ("On Human Life"
encyclical prohibits Catholics from using artificial birth control.
"The teaching laid out in the 'Humanae vitae' encyclical isn't easy," Benedict said.
"What was true yesterday remains true even today. The truth expressed in 'Humanae vitae' doesn't change; on the contrary, in the light of new scientific discoveries, it is ever more up to date," the pope added.
Benedict appeared to be referring to artificial procreation methods, which in the Church's view offend the dignity of life and go against Vatican teaching that the only way to conceive a child is through intercourse between husband and wife.
"No mechanical technique can substitute the act of love that two married people exchange as a sign of a greater mystery," Benedict said.
Benedict expressed concern that human life risks losing its value in today's culture and worried that sex could "transform itself into a drug" that one partner had to have even against the will of the other.
"What must be defended is not only the true concept of life but above all the dignity of the very person," the pope added.
Paul VI was said to have agonized over whether to allow artificial conception in preparing the encyclical. Benedict described Paul's decision as the fruit of much suffering and the document as "a significant gesture of courage."
"Forty years after its publication, that teaching not only shows itself to be unchanged in its truth, but it reveals the farsightedness with which the problem was tackled," the pope said.
Nobody I know was brainwashed into being an atheist.
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I don't know why, but I find comfort in the knowledge that the Pope is always someone who's this fucking insane.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
Either
A) He has never been laid
B) He is addicted to his personal stock of altar boys
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Farsightedness=40 years later we're still idiots.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
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What a fucktard. Where's his degree in medicine, pharmacology or psychology that he can say that? He probably never has been laid, or if he has it was when he was very young (and premarital sex is considered a big sin - can't have a pope that did that!) Wonder if he jerks off a lot.
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It wouldn't have been a sin if Benny was buggered by his priest.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
That would explain his view of sex. Seems anything that would loosen the ties of sex to reproductio is bad to them - sex is bad and if you have it you deserve to be punished with a baby - No birth control or abortion! Fucktards.
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Because you hope that the more insane he is the more followers will recognize the insanity and wake up. But, as you can see from MattShizzle's post www.rationalresponders.com/forum/13899 some believers are more insane than their representatives.
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How the hell would he know? From doing it with alter boys?
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Before effective contraception, when everybody was in the same boat with regard to the risks and implications of sexual activity, the catholic church was to the forefront of all its relative organisations in capitalising on the fears and insecurities attached to the activity when controlling its subscribers (those fears included STDs, but by and large were very real fears surrounding childbirth itself). An already comprehensive list of doctrinal instructions included a seemingly disproportional amount of very specific instructions relating to all things marital, reproductive and in any way sexual, right down to "approved positions when having intercourse" and even what the respective parties should be thinking of when engaged in the act.
It is no surprise then that the catholic church was the one that was destined to see the availability of contraception (and the very real notion of liberation that went with this) as a direct assault on its so-called "values". The other churches could eventually deftly sidestep the issue, never having gone down that road of controlling their members to the same extent (though not without a lot of resistance nevertheless).
This, by the way, followed another "battle" which saw the catholic church at loggerheads with states which attempted to make it easier and safer for women to give birth - Ireland's "Mother & Child Legislation" fiasco from the 1950s being only a typical and high-profile instance of other ludicrous confrontations between Rome and national governments around the world at the time. The church essentially lost that battle in the long run, but not until after countless lives had been lost or ruined thanks to their heartless imposition of catholic "values" where they could get away with it. However, far from teaching the church not to be so stupid again, this failure simply caused their authorities in Rome to switch all the firepower by then amassed - intellectual, doctrinal, and often legislative - to counter what was in their minds the related evil of sexual congress which denied god the opportunity to decide if he was going to fuck around with the "congressors'" lives by sticking a foetus in the womb afterwards.
Now they've painted themselves into a corner, and with AIDS in Africa as just one glaringly obvious refutement to their standpoint, have decided that the only way forward which gives them a hope of reclaiming any integrity is to pretend the floor doesn't exist anyway. It's a classic case of dogmatists getting their come-uppance and disappearing up their own arses in terms of logic, and as brilliant a confirmation (if any still be needed) of just how dangerousy removed from reality religion can bring its adherents, and especially its propagandists. It's not insanity on the part of the pope who is merely doing the job he has been given, but it is proof of just how insanely stupid the doctrine he champions is at heart. When they held real power they could disguise that stupidity. That same disguise (trying to plant a suggestion that sex and drug addiction are of equal threat being a typical thread in its fabric) now just reveals their case to be even more stupid than ever.
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Guess his only degree is in "divinity" or whatever they gove their priests in terms of education/training. As far as I'm concerned any "degree" in religion is as useful as a degree in Star Trek.
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As a Trekkie I find that very insulting.I'm sure ST has more use than religion.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
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Uh guys, as a former member of the drug culture I can tell sex IS a drug. You gotta have the "dealer", there's good shit&bad shit, and it's a pretty pleasant way to spend an afternoon although it can lead to undesirable after-affects.
But on a more literal note, I thought according to science sex sort of is a drug. It's far more than a physical process; your brain is bathed in a variety of chemicals, pain tolerance goes up, your stamina goes up, etc. Then after, ya know how you get that "I'm never gonna be able to move again" feeling (at least until a little later when you're ready for more) ? Yeah, that's the equivalent of a "crash" you might get from meth, coke, caffeine, or any other variety of stimulant. Physically you aren't really exerting yourself as much as it feels like, that's the chemical process of sex. Also, if you think it isn't at all addictive, try going with no sexual release, I mean in any form, for a couple months. Buddhist Monks can apparently do it with years of training, but I'm scared to even think about it.
While I'd say sex is much like a drug, I have to disagree with the pope's position that it is in any way a bad drug. It's as natural as eating and sleeping (both could also be defined as drugs). And I'm also inclined to believe that any asshat institution that would molest little boys because there's nothing against it in their old books should never EVER be telling other people what's natural in regards to their junk.
"We are the star things harvesting the star energy"
-Carl Sagan
You wrote, "As a Trekkie I find that very insulting.I'm sure ST has more use than religion."
Alas, I very nearly have a degree in theology.
And I'm afraid that you're correct.
Conor
I love moral advices from people, who know less about NORMAL life then me.
You HAVE to be on drugs to listen Ratzinger.
Ecrasez l'infame!
Benedict is just jealous he can't have any and he's so old now his dick probably has failed anyway. If we weren't made to be addicted to sex it would not feel as good as it does. So if your partner doesn't want it and you do that's why prostitution should be legal. We should take advice from a shriveled up old priest who hasn't had sex since he was in the Hitler Youth procreating for der Fuher. Not likely.
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Yeah, but I think only a small fraction of people who engage in sexual activity become addicted to it...
Nobody I know was brainwashed into being an atheist.
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Oh yeah, no doubt. That's why I went on to say it's a)not a bad drug, and b)it's completely natural as eating or sleeping, which also act as drugs do in our bodies. I think the man in the silly rabbit's hat meant drug like it's a DRUG!!! mwahahaha!
when the truth is "drug" means a lot of different things and he's largely an ignorant old bastard, though I didn't resort to specifically saying that last part.
"We are the star things harvesting the star energy"
-Carl Sagan
I assume that's how they get future priests and church people to hate sex, rape them when they're young, vulnerable altar boys. Matt, I don't think the Pope's allowed to jerk off. He would be spreading his seed on the ground, or at least on his Vatican tissues, which the Bible says is wrong.
I absolutely hate the Catholic church's repression of sex. In Africa such views have worsened the spread of HIV/AIDS. The whole anti-stem cell/ embryology thing would no doubt cost more lives. I do not believe embryos, zygotes of foetuses to be persons, nor capable of feeling pain. It would be much worse to test on a baby mouse that can feel pain, than a human embryo that can't! The problem with the church is that they invoke something called the soul, which like their God and their Angels and Their Lady of Fatima's Hand and their Jesus is nothing more than ficticious lies, but people being idiots believe it and think: "Oh yeah, they believe in a soul, I think I probably do too. Well, they're probably right about this whole sex thing too. I should probably feel guilty about this, yes, wow I really do now! And abortion, I mean that's like, killing babies or some shit, and I mean babies have souls don't they! Yeah I think they do. Let's go and kill some abortion doctors."
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well... I guess he would know?
Star Trek obsession doesn't seem to help guys get laid. (Recall William Shatner's famous Saturday Night Live skit about 20 years ago?) So in that sense ST does resemble theology.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3840572033916514456&q=shatner%20"get%20a%20life"&hl=en
AhhhHH , just destroy the ability to have sex at birth. Then make all babies in test tubes as needed. Let's make our Pope happy. Hail our leader, who's got the inside scope on G O D .....
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Nah, he's against test tube babies. It has to be natural births, conceived through the act of sex between a husband and wife... but they aren't allowed to enjoy it.
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Yeah Jacob , thanks for the correction ! .... That Pope doesn't really do "happy / enjoy" .... Smells like the "devil" to me .... the "Anti Christ" ....
That "Anti Christ" is bucks up, $$$, FILTHY RICH, while so many starve. EAT THE POPE , and all of his kind ..... Jesus had a wise word about the $ rich $ .....
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I know it's all intended as humour but I'm not too comfortable with the fact that people here seem to think that the pope originates this stuff, or even that he writes his own speeches when it comes to doctrinal instruction. Focusing on his personality (which itself seems to be misunderstood) also means that you miss the real point here, and are possibly working against the very intention you think you're pursuing.
The pope is a mouthpiece, and it's what's coming out of his mouth that matters, not who owns that mouth at any given time.
If you want to piss catholics off big time, well and good (and part of the deal with these people is that they worship - literally - the head honcho in Rome), but confusing the very real issue of the latent malevolency enshrined in the doctrine he propagates with perceived flaws in the man's logic or character is a cardinal sin (pun completely intended) if you want catholics to entertain the notion they're being fed a load of crap. Play smarter, is my advice.
I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
"Play smarter" , YEAH, I want to , more advise please ..... something ain't right !!!
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