Everything is a drug, but...

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Everything is a drug, but...

Should we view everything a drug? I did a search on the Internet many people agree the following are all drugs:

Religion is a drug.

Superstition is a drug.

Prayer is a drug.

Sex is a drug(including the pope).

Music is drug.

Politics is a drug.

Power is a drug.

The Internet is a drug.

Playing games is a drug.

Watching Sports is a drug.

Food is a drug.

Exercise is a drug.

Sleep is a drug.

 

 

You get the idea. However no one seems to thing the following are drugs:

Science is not a drug.

Math and logic are not drugs.

 

Is this a proper way to view our world? Everything is a drug except science, math, logic and reason. So if we're "rational responders" are we really a kind of anti-drug crusaders? Should we try to get people to see the world this way?

 

 

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Well, seems fair to say,

Well, seems fair to say, "life" is quite chemical in design, where consciousness comes into the "mix", so life itself, is a "DRUG" .....  ((( language is drug induced too !       I AM no expert on any of this .... never done this "life" thing before .....  not that I can remember .....


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I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:Well,

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Well, seems fair to say, "life" is quite chemical in design

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I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:Well,

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Well, seems fair to say, "life" is quite chemical in design, where consciousness comes into the "mix", so life itself, is a "DRUG" .....  ((( language is drug induced too !       I AM no expert on any of this .... never done this "life" thing before .....  not that I can remember .....

Life is a drug. So everyone's real goal in life is just to score the next fix.

 

I'd say language in and of itself is not a drug. It's just a tool we use to get our next fix.

It's interesting to me how the religious addicts the same thing a marijuana addicts. We're not hurting anyone, so why should you care what we do.

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Dawkins makes a compelling

Dawkins makes a compelling case for music being a drug.  He notes that a male bird's song has a chemical effect on the female's brain, making her receptive to sexual advances.  Similarly, music has been shown to create chemical changes in human brains, and let's be honest... we all know why guys become singers in bands.

The real question, as always, seems to be the question of definition.  What, exactly, is a drug?

 

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Hambydammit wrote:The real

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The real question, as always, seems to be the question of definition.  What, exactly, is a drug?

Anything that produces a chemical change affecting our mood, thinking or actions. We are chemical beings. So isn't nearly everything we do in response to chemical inducement(hunger, thirst, sleep, sex, etc...) or wanting to produce a better mood(narcotics, alcohol, religion, music, etc...)? Are we doomed to be in constant conflict between our chemical bodies and our rational minds?

If everything is a drug. All humans should be viewed as junkies just all the time going from one fix to the next. Slaves to the chemistry in our bodies.

Should the goal of science and technology be to create better drugs to keep everyone high all the time? Or perhaps pull us out of our addictions and drug dependencies so we can be completely rational beings instead of slaves to our chemical bodies?

 

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Quote:Anything that produces

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Anything that produces a chemical change affecting our mood, thinking or actions.

The point I was making is that unless we refine this, pretty much anything that interacts with us is a drug, so why even have the word?

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Are we doomed to be in constant conflict between our chemical bodies and our rational minds?

Our rational minds run on chemicals, too.

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If everything is a drug. All humans should be viewed as junkies just all the time going from one fix to the next. Slaves to the chemistry in our bodies.

You do have a flair for the dramatic.

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Should the goal of science and technology be to create better drugs to keep everyone high all the time? Or perhaps pull us out of our addictions and drug dependencies so we can be completely rational beings instead of slaves to our chemical bodies?

Are you going to invent a brain that doesn't use any chemicals when running "rationally"?

 

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Hambydammit wrote:Our

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Our rational minds run on chemicals, too. 

OK then, should we view rational thinking as a drug? Can science truly be objective or are the findings and results always going to be driven by whatever makes the scientists get high? We are atheist cause we get high being this way, just as the theists get high by believing.

Is Dawkins kind of a hypocrite for calling music a drug? Isn't figuring out and explaining how things work his 'drug'. Isn't 'Explaining Consciousness' Dennet's drug of choice? So can anyone be truly objective? If understanding is a drug, can anyone be objective, can there ever be an unbiased opinion?

If I look at the videos of the AAI convention, I am just seeing a bunch of science and understanding junkies getting their fix? Is it really any different than a religious convention, rock concert or a skid row drug street?

Is rational responding the drug of choice for the RRS? Do you get a high every time you rationally explain something?

Is cynical thinking my drug of choice?

 

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Are you going to invent a brain that doesn't use any chemicals when running "rationally"?

Doesn't a totally rational brain require the removal of pleasure and pain? Pleasure and pain causes us to be dishonest. It would need to be a zombie to be a purely rational and 100% honest.

 

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GiRLS,  my favorite

GiRLS,  my favorite substance ..... my favorite drug ..... and what man would disagree ?

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NO LIES .....   we have a ways too go, so go ..... only the truth ..... say it LOUD , you girls , you wonderful Vaginas ..... be proud , show it off , make the Men think it over , and thanks , for being extra naughty .... that is good , I love you bad bad girls .... so very good for all the world,

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Quote:OK then, should we

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OK then, should we view rational thinking as a drug? Can science truly be objective or are the findings and results always going to be driven by whatever makes the scientists get high? We are atheist cause we get high being this way, just as the theists get high by believing.

Wow.  Do you try to go off the deep end? 

No, we should redefine drug such that it doesn't include everything that ever happens to a human, internally or externally.

Yes, science can be objective.  That's why scientists have protocols and controls.  It's why we insist on sticking to the scientific method.  Are scientists sometimes biased?  Of course.  And most of the time, their bias is exposed in peer review.  That's why international peer review is so important.

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Is Dawkins kind of a hypocrite for calling music a drug?

Have you read Unweaving the Rainbow?  Dawkins writes extensively on the proper and improper use of poetry and metaphor in science, and deals with the question you just asked.

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Isn't figuring out and explaining how things work his 'drug'.

Do you mean to ask if it's what he feels rewarded for doing?  Yes.  Do you mean he has a chemical addiction to science?  Probably not in any meaningful sense of the word.

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If understanding is a drug, can anyone be objective, can there ever be an unbiased opinion?

Haven't you followed any of the conversations about uncertainty and proof?  There have been dozens.  Nobody can ever be 100% sure of anything outside of basic philosophical axioms.  We can have a very, very high degree of certainty about many things.  Some subjects will always have political motivations.

There are those of us who read the books the scientists write.  From doing so, we gain a lot of insight into their personalities.  By comparing, say, Robert Wright, Matt Ridley and Geoffrey Miller, each of whom writes about sexual selection, game theory, and ethics, a reader can note inconsistencies between authors, or perhaps even internal inconsistencies within one author's work.  We can read the journal reviews of their books.  We can consult scientists.  We can compare what they say against our own knowledge.  In short, we can use our big brains to ferret out political agendas and personal bias.  That's the cool thing about bias.  It shows.

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If I look at the videos of the AAI convention, I am just seeing a bunch of science and understanding junkies getting their fix? Is it really any different than a religious convention, rock concert or a skid row drug street?

Not from one point of view.  It's a bunch of humans with a common interest getting together to promote their interest.  Do you really not see any other difference?  Do you still not get the fact that your definition of drug is overly broad but you're applying specific qualities of narcotic addiction to behaviors that don't qualify?

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Is cynical thinking my drug of choice?

I'd say drama queen thinking, but that's just my opinion.  You seem to have a desire to find really broad, dramatic, and tragic interpretations of otherwise neutral or beneficial human activities.

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Doesn't a totally rational brain require the removal of pleasure and pain?

No.

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Pleasure and pain causes us to be dishonest.

Pleasure and pain encourage us to be dishonest.

 

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Hambydammit wrote:I'd say

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I'd say drama queen thinking, but that's just my opinion.  You seem to have a desire to find really broad, dramatic, and tragic interpretations of otherwise neutral or beneficial human activities.

Oh the thought! How could I ever carry on if this were the case?

I'd say that the moralists and religious are the ones being a drama queen. They are the ones assigning evil to narcotics and sex and good to their drugs(religion and christian music). If everything is an evil drug, then nothing is an evil drug. I'm just pointing out how everyone is a hypocrite. We all just want to get some satisfaction and get high sometimes.

 

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Let's just see if you lived

Let's just see if you lived up to my expectations...

hambydammit wrote:
You seem to have a desire to find really broad,

EXC wrote:
If everything is an evil drug, then nothing is an evil drug.

check.

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dramatic,

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I'm just pointing out how everyone is a hypocrite.

check.

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and tragic interpretations of otherwise neutral or beneficial human activities.

EXC wrote:
We all just want to get some satisfaction and get high sometimes.

I'm only giving you a half point for tragic.  "Hey, man... life's a real pisser, but at least we have this doob..."

 

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Hambydammit wrote:I'm only

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I'm only giving you a half point for tragic.  "Hey, man... life's a real pisser, but at least we have this doob..."

 

 

Mr.Hamby are you going to tell us the full answer before we go to recess? ;-p

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Mr.Hamby are you going to tell us the full answer before we go to recess? ;-p

No.  You're just going to have to climb a tree and find it for yourself.

 

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