Islam
Posted on: June 30, 2008 - 11:25am
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From what i've seen in the forum, forgive me if im being ignorant and this topic hasn't already been posted, when criticising ideas of God, we often talk about the Christian idea of God. We rarely criticise Islamic beliefs. Why is this? As atheists we dismiss all ideas of God, Christian or otherwise. Are people afraid to criticise Islam because it has a massive following? And our people afraid to criticise it because the extremist politically correct people of our world will deem at as race hate?
funny, how you can tell a Christian what they believe is wrong but telling a Muslim is different theres more of a fear if you dismiss Islam.
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that should be 'are' not 'our' btw.
This has been dealt with on here many times. Basically most of us on here are Americans and the vast majority of Americans are Christian - as are the vast majority of theists who come to this site. We have dealt with Islam before, too.
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Thanks, as I said earlier ive yet to see this.
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Both god concepts are virtually identical. There is no need to deal specifically with the Islamic god. There is a need to deal specifically with their religion, but largely, any talk of religion is inclusive of them all. The fit the same cetegory and are sumarilly dismissed by the same arguments, much like the gods. I rarely talk about any god specifically...
Oh, I don't think anybody here is more afraid to call out Muslims than they are Christians. I just think it seems more immediately relevant to a majority of posters to call out Christians. Most are form the US, as Matt has said... I'm not... but Christians do seem to take a chunk of the highlight. Matt often posts about Muslim weirdness.
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I'll bash a muslim. Where is he/she? Did you see them recently on the forums???
I have no problems bashing muslims, except for the fact that until recently, it would have me court martialled for war-crimes ^_^
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For the record, I would speculate that a good number of American Muslims born in repressive countries left those countries for a reason. If anyone in America besides the atheists should understand why separation of church and state is paramount, it should be the Muslims. However, at least on the east coast in the major cities, a lot of Muslims prefer to keep to their own communities. I've said on this forum before, I personally have a problem with permitting people to hide their faces in public. I think the burqa should be illegal, but that this should apply to any complete facial covering that isn't necessary for some sort of dangerous job, not just religious garb. I simply can't trust someone if I can't see their face. I'd hate to be a in a position where I'd have to interact with and try to remember names of people who conceal their faces. I have a serious problem with the concept that if someone wearing a burqa attacked, even if they weren't really a Muslim, I wouldn't be able to pick the bastard out in a police line-up. So yeah, I have some issues with Islam as well as Judaism, Christianity, astrology and all the other bullshit.
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I don't think people are afraid to criticize Islam because it has a massive following. Christians outnumber Muslims and no one has a problem with criticizing Christians.
For debating, I think it's good to be knowledgeable about the religion of the person you're debating. Of course many arguments can be used for multiple religions, but you're less easily dismissed if you are really knowledgeable. It's too easy for them to just say, "Read the Qur'an, then you'll understand." I'm reading it now, actually. It's pretty crazy :| So far, it's like a broken record:
God is omniscient, omnipotent, all-merciful, benevolent, sole creator of the universe, etc... then it will say, if you do this, you will suffer horribly, if you are like these people, you will have no idea the incredible punishment you are in for, be sure to follow God or else you will suffer like everyone else, the people that do wrong I have led them astray! ...then loops to tell you about how great and ever merciful this god is. Ridiculous.
I recommend to anyone that may read it, and can't read it in Arabic (which is an extremely frequent goto for them when any Qur'an-based challenge), make sure to get a "respected" translation (Yusuf Ali). Otherwise it will just be dismissed as a bad translation. Of course even if you have the Yusuf Ali, they may say that it cannot be explained properly in English.
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