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  There's a good article in "NATURE CONSERVANCY"about the Horse Shoe Crab,and how we harvest them for the biomedical industry,they have a unique compound in their blood called "lysate" it's a life saver.

 


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There's a good article in "NATURE CONSERVANCY"about the Horse Shoe Crab,and how we harvest them for the biomedical industry,they have a unique compound in their blood called "lysate" it's a life saver.

You've got to be joking. Don't you ever do any basic fact checking? There is no such compound called lysate. The word lysate comes from the suffix -lysis meaning "to split". Thus, for example, in biology, there are a huge number of concepts pertaining to lysis. Hydrolysis is the splitting of water, electrolysis is splitting by electricity, glycolysis is splitting of glucose. "Lysate" refers to cytolysis, the splitting of cells. When osmotic equilibrium concentrations change, usually as the result of the collapse of some chemiosmotic gradient accross the cell, then water will start to move into the cell, which makes it swell, at which point it is called hypotonic. Eventually it bursts and releases its contents into solution. When a cell bursts and releases its contents (intracellular membranes, Golgi apparatus, nucleus, Endoplasmic recticulum, mitochondria, etc. etc.) into the solution, the solution of cell-contents is called a lysate. That's all a lysate is. It's not a compound (a compound is simply a molecule comprised of multiple different types of atoms), certainly not a magical life-saving one.

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  NOPE I'm not joking,and if my basic fact checking does not live up to "YOUR" standards-O'WELL. And since you like to throw together a lot of big words to make yourself feel superior (I guess),let me quote directly from"THE NATURE CONSERVANCY" article on page 39, chapter"Lifesaver" In the 50's,scientist discovered a compound in the crab's copper-based blood that clots when it comes into contact with harmful bacteria.Many countries,including the United States,now require that the biomedical industry use this "compound",called LYSATE,to test just about any object or substance used during a medical procedure that could cause infection-syringes,scalpels,intravenous drugs."Most people have no Idea."says Hall,a marine researcher and education specialist at the University of Delaware."They put the horseshoe crab right up there with the mosquito in terms of its value to people."But thanks to lysate's ability to alert against infection,the horseshoe crab has helped save many lives-more than a million people,according to one estimate-since the compound was discovered. To supply the biomedical industry with this anti-infection compound,however,approximately 300,000 crabs are caught and bled each year.The author of this article-Jennifer Uscher,the title -Jurassic Beach.check it OUT.

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Then the article is wrong. I

Then the article is wrong. I will repeat what I said before, because it will take you 5 seconds in a textbook to confirm I am correct. A lysate is a solution which contains the contents of a lysed cell.

Tell you what, if you can find this mystery compound, and give me its IUPAC nomenculature, I'll believe you.

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actually it's called

Limulus amebocyte lysate, here is somemore info, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limulus_Amebocyte_Lysate


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See how much simpler things

See how much simpler things are when you use the right terminology, Ken? LC got the name right. LAL is not a compound, and if you just refer to it as "lysate" then you are being grossly inaccurate with your terminology since that could refer to any type of lysed cell, not merely horshoe crab erthrocytes, which is a particular type of lysate. 

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The right Terminology

  Well its not mine terminology,I was taken it from the article,and the article wasn't wrong.  And thanks "latincanuck" for clearing up the argument .

 

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 I live by a beach...

 I live by a beach...  there are few things that disturb me more than Horseshoe Crabs.  Seriously..  I'm always afraid they are going to attach to my face and leave alien babies in me.

If I have gained anything by damning myself, it is that I no longer have anything to fear. - JP Sartre