Google "Dean Radin is a fucktard" or "Dean Radin is an asshat" and see how many hits you get! Also the Skepdic article I linked to on him is good.

 

There are more articles linked to there. Blaming it on "western science" or saying scientists just refuse to look at his "evidence" is absolute proof that he's full of shit.

Please don't attempt to hijack my thread.

Here's a much better (and only about 40 minutes) video on recognizing pseudoscience.

 

 

Actually, this is my thread. That's why my name (Paisley) is on the OP.

It is an interesting video. But the main point is that Radin presents compelling evidence for PSI - evidence that cannot simply be ignored. That's why I started the thread and insist that individuals view the video before commenting. Also, I suggest that you view the entire "Q & A session" (not just the presentation) because he probably addresses your questions.

The main thrust of his presentation was to try to substantiate this "taboo" against dealing with "psi" in academia.

The so-called evidence is nothing more than a "meta-study" and careful data mining. His attempts to explain away the inability to get repeatable results (human performance variables, impact of Earth's magnetic field, lunar cycle) are bizarre - science already has methods to handle phenomenon with that kind of range of effect, namely large and repeated sampling.

He also says the reason there is no set of falsifiable theories is that the field is "too young" and in the observation only stage (whatever that may really mean). That would seem to contradict the idea that there is evidence of psi anything out there, rather only that some odd things have been observed. That's not evidence of much of anything. Without so much as a hypotheses to try and explain these observations he dives into conclusions (entanglement, non-material causal mind, brain-as-receiver).

It just doesn't seem to be solid science at all.

BZZZZT! Wrong! We don't have to watch an hour long video just to comment on this. Present what you think is the evidence for psi and we'll discuss that. What will NOT happen is me wasting more than an hour of this fine Saturday watching woo woo videos on fake psi abilities. I have a feeling that almost everyone here will agree with me that demanding we watch a hour long video to discuss psi is absurd.

When I made a thread mentioning a book and a movie I just described what I thought was relevant from each for the discussion. I did not demand that everyone watch an hour and a half long video or read a whole book just to comment on what I had said. You should do the same thing. Make your claims and let us respond. I think that isn't asking too much from you. But it is asking too much to demand that I watch that woo woo video.

It is often abbreviated "psi" for psionics.

So psi is now "God" or part of "god"?

Keep broadening your "god", Paisley. all your doing is making him more unnecessary.

Good! This separates you from the majority of individuals on this forum.

Yes, it's evidence for the existence of psi (psychic phenomena).

1) It means that there is evidence for psi.

2) It qualifies as evidence against materialism. Why? Materialism cannot account for psychic phenomena. This is why the subject is taboo!

Dean Radin considers a "collective mind" (God) to be a real possibility. Here's the link. You can fast forward to time "9:15."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnvJfkI5NVc 

I have only read his book entitled "Entangled Minds." In that book, he does present an explanation based on quantum entanglement (hence the title of the book). Also, the title of his first book "The Conscious Universe" suggests the same concept.

More importantly, the evidence in parapsychology is supporting various interpretations of QM that invoke the primacy of consciouness (e.g. the many minds interpretation, CCC, etc.) Aslo, there are "quantum mind" hypotheses that have been formulated by prominent physicists/mathematicians (Penrose, Stapp, Bohm, etc.). See Wikipedia: Quantum mind

The data mining was what produced the idea that those "skeptics" agreed there was a phenomenon of "psi", where if you read what they had to say in context, they only agreed there was unusual results worth looking into. I can't find any reference outside his writing to any other experiments producing positive results, either.

I don't mean that human performance variance is bizarre, but that it's a bizarre excuse since we already have ways of managing that sort of data.

His experiments don't count for anything until they are independently reproduced. I find it telling that such experiments don't get statistically significant results with regularity, myself. I was involved in experiments with clairvoyance back in university, and the only repeatable result we ever got was accurate guesses at the same rate as pure chance.

That doesn't at all excuse the lack of solid definitions and hypothesis. It definitely doesn't excuse his having conclusions despite having no falsifiable theory.

No it is not. It could eventually be, if and only if he can hammer it all out into something solid. Right now it's a mess.

That's true. However, it can be dismissed as such sloppy work as not worth wasting time on.

Meaningless: Appeal to authority.

Proof of PSI.

Not until you can back up what the collective is made up of.

Or are you saying we are all part of the collective mind so we're all God? Doubt if that would be the case as we don't think exactly the same way all the time. Or is your God scatterbrained?

In either case, back up your claim.

*cue I am God as You*

Anyway, keep doing what your doing. Your panentheist version of Christian Science is amusing.

Umm, what isn't god ? What is not a mystery, a phenomena ? What is not natural ? What's the point Paisley, an idol to worship ??? Why not worship the obvious ? Why something more than what is right in front of us, and what we are ? 

Why do you ignore my questions as well ? Are you god or not ? Is god of abe, in it's entirety,  to be honored or rejected as presented in the major religions ? Yes or No ?  Should wisdom include untruths ? What is too prove ? What is pure ? How does one find peace of mind ?  In your caring, what is your advise, and motive ? 

Woodstock ~ Joni Mitchell .... we are star dust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SjqGfe-yM

Olivia Newton John - Magic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvfE-Cf9Qcc

                               

               

 

 

There is no theory explaining psychic phenomena, so there is no way of telling wether it it compatible with materialism. All Radin has observed is something, as yet, unexplainable. He has (possibly) discovered something new about the nature of the universe, and maybe, it is completely immaterial in cause, but until there is evidence for that, it hasn't countered materialism in any way. If there is a part of our brains, that produce some weird quantum effect that produces psionic phenomena, then there is a materialistic reason for it. So it isn't evidence against materialism. It is just evidence for what I wrote in the quote-box in my last post:





And Newton believed in God. The personal religious and philosophical musings of various scientists are of no value as an argument in this case. I would gladly have a philosophical discussion with Radin. He seems like a friendly, and very humble guy, but his personal experiences and opinions are just that: personal. I'm sure he loves his wife, if he has one. Does that mean I should love her too?



You guess right. A collective mind qualifies as a collective mind.

But a collective mind qualifies as a God, like a hammer qualifies as a staff-meeting. If those two are the same, you have to argue for it, instead of just proclaiming it and starring blankly at people who ask: "What does a hammer have to do with a staff-meeting?"

I love giving him the name "Captain Asshat."

Please tell me how materialism explains psychic phenomena. 

To begin with, Radin is not the only one who has observed the experimental results. The experiments have been successfully repeated.

Also, if the proponents of materialism cannot account for the results, then materialism can no longer be considered a viable metaphysical position because it does not accord with the scientific facts.

Wrong! Quantum effects (which are considered by the standard interpretation of QM to be probabilistic events) already undermine materialism! If you link quantum events with psi phenomena, then you are tacitly making an argument for some kind of neutral monism, interaction dualism, idealism or panpsychism. Indeed, you are making Dean Radin's argument of "entangled minds."

If you say that it is evidence that people (minds) can affect each other (causality) with thoughts, then you are saying that it is evidence psi (psychic phenomena). 

And Newton believed in God. The personal religious and philosophical musings of various scientists are of no value as an argument in this case. I would gladly have a philosophical discussion with Radin. He seems like a friendly, and very humble guy, but his personal experiences and opinions are just that: personal.