Well science will only end when all the questions regarding the natural world and universe are answered.....since that isn't going to happen in my life time it doesn't matter. However the christian god as per the bible.....doesn't exist, nor does allah or most gods so far described by holy texts.

 

If we somehow found out every thing about the universe which could be observed and checked in some way, ie the stuff of science, and God still didn't appear to have  been detected, that would certainly confirm that there was even less reason to believe in something whose existence has never come close to being clearly demonstrated, let alone proved.

I think we can safely also assume that since we would also not have been able to prove that there was not a porcelain teapot in orbit around a star in the Andromeda galaxy, therefore that must be true too...

TO EVERYONE WHO HAS RESPONDED

By "the end of science", I meant the point at which nothing more can be discovered about the universe. This could happen if (a) we discover everything OR (b) we hit some sort of Godel's-Theorem-style wall which prohibits us from figuring anything else out. If "b" happened, and we hit a wall such that you could not disprove the idea that God created the universe or life, what would you do?

Is it not you who has spoken of the Problem of Induction?  And yet you now claim that there will come a time when science will be certain that they know everything there is to know?

How very droll.

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 We'll have to find more science so we can continue to put off accepting the fundamental truths of the universe known to people who thought the sky was full of water and secured with a beaten metal dome.

What, the one made out of transparent aluminum? I thought everyone knew that.

No one has to disprove that your god thing created the universe, nor does anyone have to disprove that there is such a thing.

Try to get it in your brain that it is you who has to prove that your god thing even exists and also prove it created the universe and until then, your god thing is a figment of your imagination.

 

It seems like science "concluding" (pretending that there will ever be less we don't know about the universe than do) and not coming up with a deity would be pretty bad for the deity.

Now how long do we go before we mention shifting the burden of proof? Oops.

Hey now, I'm just playing by the theist's rules, Mag. Let's see him prove that I'm not the Creator.

Hi P, it's me god. I am what I am, just as you, just as the dirt, as all is one. I have no problem with this word spelled g-o-d. I have major fucking problems with idol worship separatism, as is religion of dogma. Religion is retarded, dangerous, embarrassing, etc etc etc >>> 

Please type for me your prayer to your god, so that I might understand your idol of worship. Help me, save me .... "love the enemy" ....

    

Hey Presup,

I'm willing to live with "I don't know all the answers but I'm going to keep looking". Why are you settling for "God did it! Yay! I don't have to think anymore!"?

 

Less Filling - Tastes Great?

 

I had forgotten about this story of Asimov's, good point.

I did invite god off its' high horse perch to come down and chat about how it created everything, but it didn't show up.... go figure. So I guess as long as science is around we can use it to ponder why there is something rather than nothing. Religion will keep offering its' adherents some sort of comfort, science will go about trying to piece together what really happened and everybody will be just peachy.

I really wish god would show itself, then there would be no need for such a silly question. Besides if you understood science can't answer questions dealing with the super-natural you wouldn't ask just either. Might want to pick up a real science book at some point and stop buying into the propaganda of the religious institutions about what science can and cannot answer.   

Asimov's The last question is a great short story based on what would happen if we (or our creations) discovered a way to reverse entropy. It's got a great twist in the tale and I think remains one of the best thought experiments he produced.

 

However, back to the original question:

If we discovered everything knowable about science (or as much as is possible) and still found no evidence for a god - then we have all the evidence we need that there is no god - or at least not one that has any effect on our material universe. We could safely say that a god has never had an impact on our world - isn't that a more powerful argument than for the existance of a god?

Say we got to that stage - would you still pray to him to keep your family safe? Would you still believe he'd do anything to help you?

Ian

 

 

Godel's theorem - ur doin' it rong

imaginary circumstances beget imaginary conclusions

 

p.s.  still calling poe on this guy

I followed that link and read a bit... oh holy crap!

If that kind of blind idiocy doesn't freak you out, you're made of sterner stuff than I am. Holy crap!

 

I read this a long time ago.  I'm pretty sure I've read all of Asimov's published short stories at one time or another.  I spent most of a year in high school reading nothing but Asimov.  I agree that this is a classic story, and even if it's not really a likely reality, it's a neat way of explaining to someone how even the most seemingly incomprehensible thing, if it exists, would have a natural, scientific answer.  Thanks for the link.  I enjoyed reading it again.

So you've gone from entertaining a premise nobody else will dignify, to one even you can't. The next step is for you to vanish in a puff of swamp gas.

Presup, you still here beating yourself raw with your own arguments. As I asked you early in this thread, what will you do IF science ends and all is known and still there is no proof of your god? Your If /then statement comes back and explodes in your face. If all is known you have no more basis for hope or faith and the harsh light of reality must expose your irrational claim of an invisible sky daddy. As to your unlikely condition of no more being discovered by science you have no basis to make such a statement. Every single day new things are discovered in science though some may be small and fairly insignificant the body of knowledge continues to increase. Even these small discoveries will sum into a large body over the years. Since the Universe is so vast and infinite it will require an infinite time to learn all. There will be brick walls that cause research to take other paths, but such is the way it always has been.

 

 

Seeing as how I already have enough to discount the mythologies of every religion on the planet, I'd do nothing differently.