Thorough Light pattern analysis
Offline Light patterns appears all around the world in last years. They appear on the place regularly for minutes, hours or days, and then suddenly stop appearing there.
Two weeks ago, the light patterns appeared in a city not far from here, and a co-worker of local self-development club took a photographs of them. I will now show you a few of these photographs and show why this case of light patterns can't be a normal reflection of sun light in windows. It seems that many of these cases are reflections from windows, but doesn't behave as a reflected light.I will try to provide some scientific comments on this.
Place: Czech Republic, city of Novy Jicin (the street and number is obscured because of privacy purposes)
Time: it appeared regularly from 6:00 - 7:30 AM, in three days, 9, 10 and 11 of August 2008.
The sunrise time for 10. 8. 2008 is 5:22 AM.
The place:
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Exact time: (to show you, that it was really photographed early in the morning)
To display this for yourself, download the package of original photographs below, get a program like Irfan View, have the EXIF info plugin installed and then display the image properties.
As you see, the wall on which the light patterns appeared, is shaded by the building itself, and several blocks of flats around. This is why the sun can not shine there by any means, until about 8 AM. The sun simply wasn't yet on the sky.
The woman who photographed this, initially considered this effect as a reflection from windows, but then she realized, that the sun was still low in that time.
She also observed the light patterns to disappear immediately in one second, while the sun was still shining. The patterns appeared only for these three days, in that time, never before and never after.
Exactly the same thing is observed all around the world, the place stays the same, but the so-called "reflection" is suddenly not there.
The original photographs (with the pictures above) can be downloaded here:
light_patterns.zip
It's not an english file hosting, so if you don't know what to do, click at the link, and below there's a picture of numbers/letters which you're supposed to write into a rectangle next to it. Then click at the orange button just below.
Total number of the photographs is 16, I picked 4 of them, they're very similar.
If this case of light patterns convinced you or not, it will be greatly welcomed if you can provide any materials about your own observations. Most helpful would be, if someone would stand directly in front of the light pattern. The photographs and people's reports suggests that not, but a direct experience would be the best. If you ever happen to see these light patterns, first do it and then go for a camera, please.
These light patterns are unpredictable. Though there are theories about how a difference in temperature inside and outside can bend the glass, the patterns appear independently on a number of windows, sun position, time of the day, state, city/suburb, temperature, weather, year season, and so on. The only dependent variable seems to be this historical period since 1997.
Here's a very interesting quote from this web page, with promised scientist's opinion:
http://www.cdk.si/grz/sv_krogi_e.htm
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How to explain this phenomenon?
There has been no satisfying scientific explanation for this phenomenon so far. Certain theses, however, occur:
- circular reflection is due to the concave surface of a windowpane; the form X in the middle of the circle is due to the interference caused by the light reflection
A scientist's - physicist's comment:
The concavity of a windowpane would have to be considerable, a few milimetres, depending on the
distance of the reflection and size of the glass sheet, what is not observed in practice. Forces, which would cause such bending deformations, e.g. due to the pressure against the window frame, would have to be very strong. The next issue is, that sheets of glass are not completely flat but slightly wavy, what normally adds to further dispelling of light. The result is that, normally, there is no clear reflection at longer distances anymore. This 'waveness' of windowpanes is not uniform, but random (it originates from solidifying of glass) and it is therefore unlikely that this would cause any straight interference. At the same time the sunlight is not coherent enough to cause coherence on such a large scale (its coherent length is 1 micrometer), so that all internal structures inside circular reflection can, from a physical point of view, be caused by mere focussing of light.
Our comment: this thesis raises at least three questions for which there are no answers yet: (i) why would the concave surfaces appear in such masses just lately (ii) why would light circles appear in some cases as reflections from some windowpanes only and sometimes as reflections from all windows of a building (iii) why there appears, if a windowpane's surface is concave, an additional form, in most cases a bright X, in the centre of a round reflection? Furthermore this thesis does not consider reflections in the form of a rhomb or an octagon.
- the phenomena are projected by reflectors
Comment: everyone can see for him/herself, that the phenomena occur due to the reflection of
sunrays from ordinary sheets of glass.
- the creation of the phenomena is similar to that of crop circles
Comment: people having experiences with both phenomena do report on similar subjective and energetic effects as with the crop circles. With their brilliance, beauty, simplicity and uniqueness they create a sense of awe and excitement.
We would very much appreciate any comments from your part on this phenomenon. We also invite you to investigate it and its background. The nature of photons and other subatomic particles is still partly a mystery for science today, so any research of these phenomena may contribute to discovery of new laws which are active in the world around us.
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Offline Google: Reality dysphoria - about 3 relevant results, 1 for reality disphoriaNo signs of this being recognized as an existing mental disorder. These two words are used solely in metaphoric sense. Otherwise, no such thing exists. Anyway, I have no dysphoria, I'm often in it's opposite, euphoria, and when not, then I'm emotionally neutral.
I know that reality makes you uncomfortable because you spend a lot of time pretending silly crap is real.
You'll deny that you have reality dysphoria because you lie to yourself. You pretend you live in a world that you have control over, a world where you can be psychic and see ghosts and find evidence of wondrous superior entities trying to make contact with you (cuz you so special) via pretty light patters that are so unexplainable otherwise. And in that world of make-believe, you're a happy little camper.
There are hundreds of forum on the Internet where you could discuss your delusions with all manner of folks who share those delusions. Probably many in your native tongue. Why you insist on polluting these forums with your irrational drivel is beyond my ken.
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
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Offline JillSwift wrote:So much for my making shit up, huh, you pathetic fly-speck?
Google: Reality dysphoria - about 3 relevant results, 1 for reality disphoria
No signs of this being recognized as an existing mental disorder. These two words are used solely in metaphoric sense. Otherwise, no such thing exists. Anyway, I have no dysphoria, I'm often in it's opposite, euphoria, and when not, then I'm emotionally neutral.
In comparison:
ADHD - about 3 800 000 results. This is, how a mental disorder is supposed to exist. So, you just did put two words together and made up the term... Does it piss you off too, when people insists on such a petty arguing?HisWillness wrote:There are cases of this phenomenon, which are impossible to be "explained". I just don't have them documented so well as this one, so I lost my will to argue about it. It would have to be a really big miracle, to convince a skeptic, that some things aren't yet so well known by science.I'd just like to publicly apologize to Nordmann.Luminon, I'd love to help you out and keep this a nice clean fight, but when so many scientists (and make no mistake, these are legitimate and thoughtful scientists here) have given you an easy, mystery-free explanation for these light patterns, and you're still not listening ... suffice it to say that I understand their frustration more than I understand your willful ignorance.
The Hindu milk miracle was a global event, very well documented and really mysterious. What about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsnBUluEfcQ
http://www.milkmiracle.com/Milkmiracle_12MB.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfRoJxv3nbY
Amazing, huh? I didn't know that capillary action can be controlled selectively and worldwidely. I also didn't know that litres of milk can disappear in one tiny statue (under which is a [url=http://www.milkmiracle.com/assets/images/Milk_Miracle_Ganesh_Mumbai_url.jpg]towel Capillary action is a nice thing, but when you look at that big bowl of milk, it's obvious that these singing people didn't stop until they fed it all by spoons to the poor Ganesha. (near the end of 2nd video, I think) So where did the milk go, by capillary action or otherwise? Is capillary action that fast? Does it work with milk, which is an emulsion? The milk would curdle and it would choke up all the capillaries very quickly.
1) capillary action or not, it doesn't say where the milk did go. If it would be drained by a surface tension somewhere into the statue, then all the temples would soon stink as hell and people would wade in rotting cottage cheese on the floor. The same goes for streets and city sewerage. Hectolitres of milk are much more bulky than a corpse, and smells even more, it can't be hidden, and specially not worldwidely and in front of millions of people.
2) So what is a basis of this? Last time I poured a milk into a stone bowl, it remained there. Water too. Stone statues obviously conducts the milk only when they wants. What's the scientific explanation? Did the law about energy and matter preservation take a vacations for that week?
3) I think, what we see there, is an example of a conversion of matter. The milk remains there, but is converted on some of four forms of etheric matter. This is invisible, (even more than air) and our physical untrained noses fortunately wouldn't smell anything, though all that temples had to be drowned in etheric milk. But the law of energy preservation remained in place, that's important.
Or the local monasteries got a massive amount of milk that day from the pumps they rigged up in the statues and refrigerated for later.
Not saying that's what happened but it is a lot more plausible than "etheric matter".
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Go away, Luminon. Just go the hell away. You backpedal, you lie, you make shit up. You don't care to hear real criticism. You make wild and unfounded claims with utterly no idea that you are talking out your ass. You need help, because you ave a reality dysphoria. Professional psychological help.
I don't mean some idiot with an ohmmeter, either.
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
Luminon's awe and use of words I find interesting and confusing. Pondering and questioning the absolute nature of consciousness, or whatever, as long as we don't get to assuming what we can't know, is cool. I think what is annoying some here Luminon, is that you seem to suggest knowing things most think are unknowable.
I remind you, and everyone, that we know little about the ultimate nature of dirt. Oh, the "magic" of dirt!
Luminon, maybe you could simplify your communication of your awe, and maybe presenting your assumptions and hunches as questions might be of help. Heck, I get into a bit of trouble around here too, with my oxymoron-ic atheist preaching style of ironic satire and parody and just plain odd unusual language structure, and drunken retarded stupidity! Jesus was atheist, is not such an example!
tabula rasa refers to the epistemological thesis that individual human beings are born with no innate or built-in mental content,.... the mind in its hypothetical primary blank or empty state before receiving outside impressions.
Atheism Books.
I am in maximum agreement
Wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which one fills up first.
LOL Jello, we are all Maniacs
10,000 Maniacs Because the Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFEHii7t-_8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN8peJxUOhA
Atheism Books.
Unfortunately for those slaves to delusion who fear that their very personality is contingent on defending such wrong assumptions, it is anything but cool.
Their "pondering and questioning", whether they know it or not, is as controlled on their behalf as their personality is by their irrational fear that acceptance of reality will diminish them. It becomes just another instrument of their enslavement, and isn't even "pondering and questioning" at all anyway, but simply self-affirmations constructed to bolster the delusion they have bought (or been sold) into. Hence the constant repetition, the inability to engage in real discussion, the ignoring of all input which destroys their idyll, and the complete inability to recognise that they are doing any of these three things.
They would be creatures of pathos if they weren't such pains in the ass.
I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Sure Nordmann, but isn't encouraging all to say their thing, so that we may all help one another to better understanding why and how we each think what we do, a GOOD THING???
Luminon is a revelation , and I am glad he is here , actively posting. I really dig Luminion for his bold posting and kind temperament. I read him as a discovery, to better understanding our human kind. I have read most every word of Luminion, and I have felt a loving presence from he.
I would go camping with Luminon, and you Nordmann. The 3 of us sitting around the camp fire. Oh boy, figuring out life .... and all that woo woo stuff ....
Atheism Books.
In comparison, I was a theist when I was young, but I never felt anything during prayer, sunday school, or whatever. No love of Jesus. Talking about love (or any other feeling) doesn't automatically do anything, when you don't know, what it is.
According to a theory, a person consists of a physical body, vital body, and a set of other, even more finer-than-material bodies, occupying the same space as physical, but overreaching it. (this participates on the effect of aura)
Theory says, that these finer-than-material bodies have their senses too. If I simplify it, if someone uses a sight sense of vital body, it's called clairvoyance, if hearing sense, then it's called clairaudience, and if someone (like me) uses the touch sense of vital (etheric) body, it's "clairsentience".(according to the internet, but I would call it clairtactility )
Of course, it's possible to make up a specific combination of mental diseases, which could be responsible for that. But what I describe, is an example of function, not malfunction.I can turn this perception on and off, as I wish.
I don't lie, though it hurts my reputation. Lying would be very comfortable. I could make a lot of friends here, lying about me, being a typical atheist. We could have a laugh of theist crap and woo-woo together, encouraging each other to be skeptics and to send weird people where the sun doesn't shine. It would be nice, except it wouldn't be me. I would have no interest to create a false person or false testimony which local atheists would like, because it doesn't interest me. It would be like working for an imaginary person, who doesn't pay me. Why should I dedicate my time to something, which is not true, though it feels nice to others?
This is why I always say the truth about what I see, touch and hear, because it's about me, it's personal and thus important for me. A made-up identity would be different from me, not interesting and not worthy of my time.
If I don't hear criticism, it's because you're missing some fundamental facts, you criticize a straw man. If I say that I have my perception since a very young age, not induced externally by beliefs or indoctrination, then it should be taken into account, just as some other important details nobody seems to notice. This is why I don't buy the ideas of muscle tone, imagination, mental disorder, or whatever, they don't describe the whole phenomenon.
Btw, reality disphoria? There's no such thing. And YOU're telling me that I make shit up?
"Why is it that people are so afraid of it ? What is it about it that scares people so deeply? Because they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors that they are afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control."
I want to show the door, inspire people to go there themselves, to examine their illusory limits.
I have a limit, above which there are unknowable things, but almost everything others consider "unknowable" is way below that.
Yes, I definitely should. It's diffcult for me however to constantly remind myself, that some people never saw anything "paranormal", I mean, like a flying toy, as I saw.
When I try to speak with words they know, it's too vague for them, and when I use a specialized jargon, it's not the words they know.
Maybe I should ask questions like:
So, you don't feel a pressure and energy in your pineal gland(s), you don't feel anything which doesn't directly touch your skin, and you never could heal with your hands? You never had an out-of-body experience?
If the answer is a definite no, then that person for me is almost like an alien life form, so unlike everything I know. Fascinating, potentially agressive, and requiring slow moves, when attempting to communicate
I had read "Thinking of the outside" by Michael Foucalt, and I was scared away by how that man wrote. He wrote very similar things as I write, but he didn't have a precise, esoteric jargon. Instead, he used poetic metaphores of metaphores, he stretched the language to it's limits, where hardly anybody could follow his thoughts. This is the case, when a need to express this topic "politically correctly", without woo-woo-like terms, made it practically useless. It was easier to eat that book, than to read it. I think it's easier for a skeptic to study a few precise words like "etheric body" and some schemes and models of such things, than to be subjected to such a vague philosophic torture.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
You should learn to. Then you wouldn't keep pedalling into bullshit.
Not very successfully.
Bullshit is not a topic. If you find difficulties I suggest you analyse your problem starting with that premise in mind.
You do. You've just done it again.
No - your reputation here is assured.
Recognising that you do so is the discomfort you avoid.
Not with anyone who has the slightest bit of perception regarding delusional thinking. You have already proved that while lying about you.
I never met one. Though delusion on the other hand, regardless of the stupidity that is the subject of the delusion, does exhibit extremely typical characteristics on the part of the afflicted.
Wise up, shut up, and learn a little before you consider your next defence of your illness.
I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
I'd just like to publicly apologize to Nordmann.
Luminon, I'd love to help you out and keep this a nice clean fight, but when so many scientists (and make no mistake, these are legitimate and thoughtful scientists here) have given you an easy, mystery-free explanation for these light patterns, and you're still not listening ... suffice it to say that I understand their frustration more than I understand your willful ignorance.
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
Luminon is a rocking. I also have flying toys, model airplanes, and I dream of them .... and in a dream I looked at my self laying in bed vividly once. I have felt the presence of the dead, like Jimmy Hendrix saying "yeah man" as my guitar blazed in his glory, but I always knew it was somehow the miracle of my mind.
Heck, but I didn't pretend Jimmy was talking at me, he just was ..... and I was listening .... hard as I could, no shit. To this day, that was great, a Jimi Hendrix, super experience. I was totally sober .... but in a music purple haze .... WOW and that scary buzzard sitting on my lamp looking at me, I saw half awake , who ran off as I fully opened my eyes ....
For me, I knew it was all the tricks of my mind, and enjoyed them. Now as I am much older, that mind fun has gone, but I have the memories, as I have so written. My imagination has taken a different road as I've aged .... yet everything I see, and sense is all more a miracle .... all of it , every second ....
IRON BUTTERFLY THEME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qkcwBsKizU
Share with me your dreams ....
Come hither sleep walkers ....
Atheism Books.
Oh, and:
Dysphoria: dys·pho·ri·a /dɪsˈfɔriə, -ˈfoʊr-/
–noun Pathology.
a state of dissatisfaction, anxiety, restlessness, or fidgeting.
Reality: re·al·i·ty /riˈælɪti/
–noun, plural -ties for 3, 5–7.
1. the state or quality of being real.
2. resemblance to what is real.
3. a real thing or fact.
4. real things, facts, or events taken as a whole; state of affairs: the reality of the business world; vacationing to escape reality.
5. Philosophy.
a. something that exists independently of ideas concerning it.
b. something that exists independently of all other things and from which all other things derive.
6. something that is real.
7. something that constitutes a real or actual thing, as distinguished from something that is merely apparent.
—Idiom
8. in reality, in fact or truth; actually: brave in appearance, but in reality a coward.
So much for my making shit up, huh, you pathetic fly-speck?
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
Google: Reality dysphoria - about 3 relevant results, 1 for reality disphoria
No signs of this being recognized as an existing mental disorder. These two words are used solely in metaphoric sense. Otherwise, no such thing exists. Anyway, I have no dysphoria, I'm often in it's opposite, euphoria, and when not, then I'm emotionally neutral.
In comparison:
ADHD - about 3 800 000 results. This is, how a mental disorder is supposed to exist. So, you just did put two words together and made up the term... Does it piss you off too, when people insists on such a petty arguing?
The Hindu milk miracle was a global event, very well documented and really mysterious. What about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsnBUluEfcQ
http://www.milkmiracle.com/Milkmiracle_12MB.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfRoJxv3nbY
Amazing, huh? I didn't know that capillary action can be controlled selectively and worldwidely. I also didn't know that litres of milk can disappear in one tiny statue (under which is a [url=http://www.milkmiracle.com/assets/images/Milk_Miracle_Ganesh_Mumbai_url.jpg]towel
1) capillary action or not, it doesn't say where the milk did go. If it would be drained by a surface tension somewhere into the statue, then all the temples would soon stink as hell and people would wade in rotting cottage cheese on the floor. The same goes for streets and city sewerage. Hectolitres of milk are much more bulky than a corpse, and smells even more, it can't be hidden, and specially not worldwidely and in front of millions of people.
2) So what is a basis of this? Last time I poured a milk into a stone bowl, it remained there. Water too. Stone statues obviously conducts the milk only when they wants. What's the scientific explanation? Did the law about energy and matter preservation take a vacations for that week?
3) I think, what we see there, is an example of a conversion of matter. The milk remains there, but is converted on some of four forms of etheric matter. This is invisible, (even more than air) and our physical untrained noses fortunately wouldn't smell anything, though all that temples had to be drowned in etheric milk. But the law of energy preservation remained in place, that's important.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.