Copyright seriously ? >_<

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Copyright seriously ? >_<

 

Is someone taking copyright seriously ? I mean we all know its punishable and don’t take the risk however can you smell the bullshit ?

 

My question is directed at atheists because I know how the brainwashed theists simply have no thinking skills.

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I find the term Intellectual

I find the term Intellectual Property disingenuous, and attempts to equate copyright violation with theft repulsive.

A defining attribute of property is exclusivity. As one person earlier put it, it must be able to be held. Further, one person possessing it excludes all others. A CD is property, as it is exclusively possessed. The data on the CD is not property, as a repetition of that data does not exclude possession of that CD. Copying a CD is not the same as stealing a CD.

While it can be argued that the result is the same for the producer of the CD, their choice of labels galls me. The loss is a result of a reduction in market demand, not theft. The demand is reduced as a result of the cost differential, availability, and  ease of duplication of data patterns. I am not, however, arguing that causing this loss is acceptable, but rather griping about the sensational corruption of language.

I feel I agree with JillSwift that a form copyright must exist in a capitalist system to ensure the cost of realizing a data pattern be rewarded.  As a big fan of computer games, I have keenly felt a loss in both quantity and quality of product recently produced. Less product has been produced because there is less market demand, and while I don't have hard numbers to back me up, I do have anecdotal evidence that it is the result of copyright violation.

I do feel I can defend the position that it is unethical to violate a copyright system that is designed to recompense and profit a content generator. I think we can agree that it is not ethical to benefit at another's expense. A generator of content incurs cost to produce content. They offer the content as a benefit to others in exchange for a cost incurred that benefits them. There are more than two possible scenarios. One - You accept, and incur a cost to benefit from the content. This is ethical by my definition. Two - You refuse, and do not benefit from the content, nor incur a cost. This is ethical for me as well. Three - You refuse, and acquire and benefit from the content from another source. This is not ethical. Another person incurred cost in generating that content, and you chose to benefit from it without providing them their requested recompense.

Also, I take some issue with the hypothetical public domain containing all possibilities. While I agree that there are a finite number of perceivable data patterns, It seems unlikely to me that we will approach anything close to achieving such a vast library of experience before the race would undergo multiple paradigm shifts making the idea of public domain as we know it irrelevant.


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latincanuck wrote: such as

latincanuck wrote:

 such as Coca cola, however I can still use the the word Coca Cola in literature, I just cannot use it to represent my company per se.. Again as much as you want to stay in the realm of logic and math

 

Sorry you are describing tread marks not copyright , you can not copyright a trademark it’s a different story.

My question with glass is simply you record glass breaking on a device OK , now you sell this to a movie company or something OK , next a CEO comes up and tells you that you have not made this sound you have stolen this “intellectual property” from his company. You get into a legal lawsuit the recording is analyzed and its identical you get in jail for having bad luck. End of story , do you understand now my analysis about copyright being absurd ? The recording of backing glass is a tin spectrum of possibilities especially that someone can clamed that you added some impurities and the recording is from a audio show or something. How do you prove your incense ? The lows of physic and math have formed a identical sound like that sound of someone that recorded a identical pattern before. Its impossible to prove because it’s a absurd concept made up from fiction that contradicts reality.

 

Everyone needs to resolve this issue if copyright supposed to exists . The current conception of copyright  can simply be used to destroy competition or people trying to make something.

 

A little annotation remember that the all possibilities option is vary small in some circumstances (glass braking sound) in others it seams big. This issue needs addressing because someone simply will get in jail if he is creative in a area with a limited choice of patterns.

 

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People on this website seem

People on this website seem to want to define property and copyright based on 'what they think should be right'.

What people  don't seem to understand property and copyright are not defined based on personal opinion that are defined by a nation system.

You do not own a car or a house or a Big Mac because you think you paid for it, or because you earned the sole reason you have that property is the law recognised that transaction (ethics  , morals, hard work simply don't come into it).

 

Pirating a CD is theft  because the law says it is, end of discussion. It's not something that can be argued over or debated.

Now you may think the law is wrong and should be changed that is something different that obviously can be debated but until it is changed you are a thief if you pirate a cd.

I believe in law and order as the basis of any civilized society and that means in almost all circumstances obeying the law even if that law is a bad one, even if it gives advantages to people that you think it shouldnt give advantages to.

 

There are extremely circumstances where people can justify breaking the law but not giving someone 10 quid/dollars for a CD is not one of them


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As I said I'm not a legalist.

As I said I'm not a legalist.


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mrjonno wrote:People on this

mrjonno wrote:

People on this website seem to want to define property and copyright based on 'what they think should be right'.

What people  don't seem to understand property and copyright are not defined based on personal opinion that are defined by a nation system.

You do not own a car or a house or a Big Mac because you think you paid for it, or because you earned the sole reason you have that property is the law recognised that transaction (ethics  , morals, hard work simply don't come into it).

 

Pirating a CD is theft  because the law says it is, end of discussion. It's not something that can be argued over or debated.

Now you may think the law is wrong and should be changed that is something different that obviously can be debated but until it is changed you are a thief if you pirate a cd.

I believe in law and order as the basis of any civilized society and that means in almost all circumstances obeying the law even if that law is a bad one, even if it gives advantages to people that you think it shouldnt give advantages to.

 

There are extremely circumstances where people can justify breaking the law but not giving someone 10 quid/dollars for a CD is not one of them

 

Hmm appeal to authority you have committed a logical fallacy.

Well lets see you start assuming then go on insisting and end up claming , nice way to argue for something just like the theists for the existence of god. Strangely enough you insist that humans don’t discus the low with humans have invented themselves in the past or do you believe a intelligent low creator (ID XD HAHA ) created the copyright lows (humans can not argue agents it )?

 

Besides I think I have proven that copyright is internally contradictory please address this.

 

PS : The word theft/steeling can not be applied to IP , like shown before by me and others you need another word to describe it no one is losing something if I pirate a CD. Use a different word I propose piracy and pirating or unauthorized duplication or something , theft is simply a polulistick word added to persuaded the senile judges and earn some popularity points for someone argument.

 

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If I had the copyright on

If I had the copyright on the word Fuck
I'd say fuck this job and yourself you dumb fuck
No need for hard work and no need for luck
If I had the copyright on the word fuck

It's filthy. It's nasty, unseemly and vile
That all may be true, but it's so versatile
So often deleted; this fine expletive
Is a verb, a noun and an adjective

If I had the copyright on the word fuck

I'd have no need for dad-gum, dang, darn, shoot or shucks
No need for hard work and no need for luck
If I had the copyright on the word fuck

Not a gasp, not a sigh from my mouth would be heard
Nope, just a cha-ching when I hear the F word
If people got jealous of all of my wealth
I'd tell them to copyright shit, damn and hell.

If I had the copyright on the word fuck
It would roll off my tongue like water off a duck
Four-letter word usages perfectly honed
I could retire on New York alone

Where they say fuck the fucking motherfuckers I don't give a fuck
If they can't fucking take a fucking joke then hey, what the fuck
Those fuckers will fuck you, so don't get fucked up
Quit fuckin' around or you're gonna get fucked

If I had the copyright on the word fuck
I'd say fuck this job and yourself you dumb fuck
No need for hard work and no need for luck
If I had the copyright on the word fuck.

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