talking to a co-worker the other day...
Offline So i was talking to a co-worker the other day and apparently if we elect obama he is going to bankrupt the country in less than two months because all the other people who were "black" (as she put it) that have been elected to an office (be it Governor or mayor etc...) have bankrupted the cities soon after >_>...
To expand on her views a little bit here's some of the things she's said to me and i wish i was making these up...
the Holocaust was hitler doing the same thing that we succeeded to do to the Native Americans
Ann Coulter NEVER LIES
She only votes with the candidate that the NRA supports (it doesn't matter about their policy's etc, other than that they support gun rights)
This country is on the verge of having a civil war and she is going to be ready, she's got a room in her house that have 4 inch steel the whole way round it(had it specially built for her) which she keeps a small supply of food and all her guns in...
She hates anyone that is not white
Thinks that bush has done nothing wrong
SOOO Many more...
Only reason i talk to her is because she is an atheist, otherwise i would avoid her all together.
Also BTW i told her that obama was half white and that made her mad said that that was as bad as inbreeding...
so after you respond about how she is an idiot and all that jazz respond to the following question...
But what do you think?Is Obama going to take and bankrupt the country(i don't know how this is possible when we have a deficit already...) or maybe a better question would be, how would it be possible to bankrupt our country even worse than what it already is?
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I'm flabbergasted Shaitan, your co-worker seems an unimaginable bigot and a sociopath. I'm not sure that I could articulate and do justice to just how disturbing her ideas are so that's all I'll say.
As for your question, it's just more evidence of her lack of being in touch with reality that she even believes U.S. citizens is in a position to project any future responsibility for an economic failure of the nation. To rational people it's pretty obvious that the damage has well and truly been done already, it will take a tremendous leader to restore the nation and any president elect short of magnificence really doesn't stand much of a chance at spending their first term doing any better than riding out a very severe low point (like national bankruptcy or massive financial depression) in the economy.
So in a way, your co-worker is right, even a good president is going to have a mammoth struggle to keep America from crashing over the coming few years and even a good president might fail. But she's also wrong, it's no more likely to happen under Obama than it is under almost anyone you could wish for.
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You hit the nail on the head. Obama can't bankrupt America, no matter how bad he is, because America already is bankrupt.
Also, I'm just curious: How can she possibly reconcile being an atheist with a belief than Anne Coulter, a religious extremist, never lies?
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It's really not that big of a stretch. Many atheists are also conservative (not Bush conservative, but old school conservative), and lots of people in general are out of the loop so to speak.
The thing with Coulter is, she's a classic political heel. It's all theatrics. I find it hard to believe that someone so educated could holds the beliefs she holds. If she toes the standard Republican line, she doesn't churn out bestsellers; if she ruffles feathers and in the process becomes a caricature of everything liberals think about conservatives, she does.
The destruction of Indian culture can't be compared with Hitler's genocide of Jews. Indians weren't prepared on an encounter with culture relatively resistant to alcohol, able to lie, able to plant crops at one place continually, and driven by irressistible greed. A lot of newcomers were also very dangerous misfits from the old land, and even more dangerous missionaries. Easygoing native American culture couldn't fight with that, and those who could, were finished off by a real army.
In contrast, Jews were able to live very well everywhere in our culture, including Germany, and were often very succesful in trade. This is why many people envied them and considered them greedy.
I honestly hope Obama will bankrupt the country, because this is what the financial reform needs, a country falling on it's butt, together with whole world. I don't know if Obama can do that, but he should.
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What a nutjob. I don't think I've ever come across anyone as mentally ill as the woman you describe.
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... if only that were true...
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I'm with jmm on this one. I think Coulter is a very clever political charade - bordering on satire - that keeps liberal anger focused exactly on the things they've come to hate, at the same time keeping their ire away from real Republicans. I've only ever seen a smoke screen when I read her rantings.
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So you are seriously telling me that native americans, before the European's arrived, didn't know how to lie? At all? Dude... You really need to lay off the meds...
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I usually write your weird conspiracy theories and new age ramblings off as quaint, harmless, and sometimes even charming.
But you just wrote that you hope America enters another depression. Let me just repeat that: you just said that you HOPE America enters another deprission!!!
So you are honestly telling me that you hope millions of people will suffer poverty and even hunger. That tens of thousands of people will fall victim to violent crimes, corruption, lacking healthcare, organised crime, not to mention religious fanaticism, which is sure to flourish in desperate times over there?
This attitude that things have to get worse before they get better is no better than the religious fanatics who are hoping for the world to be consumed in a giant, violent war, so that things can get better, by Jesus coming back.
I'm sure during the French Revolution you would have been working the Guilatines, and with a gleeful smile at that, because you'd be reveling in the bloodbath: "Look how I am systematically murdering people by the hundreds! It it sure to bring about liberty and Justice for all! Hurray!"
I too wan't the world at large to finally realize the failings of capitalism. I too wan't the people of the African continent, and the third world at large, to live in safety, and prosperity. I too want a global Utopia to come about.
But if there is one thing I don't wan't it is for the world to take a giant leap backwards, so that more people will be suffering in poverty, and the insecurity of a desperate population.
Is the western world instrumental in keeping the third world in the state it is in? Yes, I think so. And the industrialized world will need to wake up to some things, if the world is to become a better place.
Would a serious crisis for the industrialized world bring about a rethinking of all our priorities, and an entirely new, Utopian world order? Possibly, in the very very long run. And it it equally possible, that it would bring about the Third World War, and/or the reermergance of Feudalism, or Theocracy, or just old-school despotism in the small tribes that would make up the 2% of the world's population left after the destruction.
But please, oh wise one. Tell me how your crystal ball has shown you that the outcome of a huge financial crisis can only possibly lead to a possitive, beautiful Utopian New World Order.
I can't foresee the future, for I am but a humble mortal, so I worry about what would be good for the world here and now. I prefer to not hope for more suffering, and more insecurity, but that is just my shortsighted, naive way of doing things.
But clearly, oh Oracle of Truth, you have seen the future, because how could you say with a straight face that you would welcome the suffering of millions of people, if you didn't know that it would be for the good of humanity in the long run?
Bear in mind, that it is the allready poor people of America who would suffer. Bill Gates would not sit under the freeway overpass and warm his hands over a barrel fire, and something tells me that it is only because you have this image in your head that you speak like you do. You haven't really thought this through any longer than to imagine a wall street executive looking for scraps of food in a dumpster, and then thought: "That'll teach that capitalist bastard!"
Well guess what? It won't teach any wall street exec's a thing about how to scavenge for food. It may well teach them alot of lessons, but they will all be about how they can keep as much of their own recources as possible, not any lessons about making the world a better place. Those kinds of lessons aren't tought by making the world a worse place. I should think that would be obvious.
You may think you are talking from compassion, but all I hear is bloodlust; a gleeful wallowing in other people's misery.
Well I was born an original sinner
I was spawned from original sin
And if I had a dollar bill for all the things I've done
There'd be a mountain of money piled up to my chin
If congress does not pass the bail out bill soon millions of people will be bankrupt. The reason for the problems that are occurring is because of deregulation.
The only similarity is the killing of a 'classed' group of people. The reasons are different. Nazism was for power. The killing of American Natives was for the land grab.
Ann Coulter LIES
She supports christian republicans.
There is absolutely zero evidence of an impending civil war.
One wall (8'x12'x4" ) would weigh 8 tons, so she is wrong about the 4 inches. But, many people do have a security room for temporary emergencies, but it would not be much help if there is a civil war.
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If she used reasoning to be atheist, she should use reasoning to evaluate everything.
There are no races. Inbreeding is (more or less) to reproduce by the continued mating of closely related individuals. She doesn't know what the word inbreed means.
The US can print as much money as it needs. Only individual entities can go bankrupt.
The economy has been moving towards a recession for the past year and is now, most likely, technically in a recession.
This condition will worsen and will prevail for some time, even if congress passes the bill. The bill will avert an all out economic depression for the time being, but there's no guarantee that there will not be a depression.
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
You're a very funny individual. lol
If the US's economy falters most of the people in your little community will literally starve to death.
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
Hear Hear!
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thanks all that will give me alot to think about, i will copy down the link for youtube, if she watches it is another thing. Trust me though just because she is an atheist doesn't mean that she needs to be completely rational. she (to me at least) is just like fundamentalist christians who wall off reason from the religion portion of there mind, the only difference is that she is like a fundamentalist Republican and has walled off the republican section of her mind from reason.
I have told her many times to come here and see what people had to say that are all atheists and she wont... (considers this another site of the Liberal Media)
She is probably the worst person i know... but ya there are many more in the little pocket where i live. My town during the civil war never sent one person to fight for the north, they all went to the south... A buddy of mine had to do a research report senor year on the town and that's how we found out that we were the only town in Pa(that we know of) that was all for the south to win. The majority of the pop here today that is 40 years old or more still are pretty racist and wont have anything to do with any one that is another race other than white... (i really am living in the wrong town i need to really high tail it out of here). In the last 10 years that i have paid attention to the town we have had 2 African American families move in and then within a year they leave. The Chinese only have stayed here because there is only one Chinese restaurant and alot of people like it. and the only other race that i noticed was the Indian family (that i am friends with). The father of the family is a local doctor and his son went to school with me and we were good friends...
(and yes Eloise she is a nutjob to put it nicely)
aiia i have not seen this steel wall room, but i talked to her husband and he said that ya it was a steel room but he never confirmed that it was 4 inch's thick...
also i agree with you there about the races thing, but she wouldn't...
But ya...Been needing to rant and rave about this stuff for a while and so now you can all have at!
What I wish to happen, is to let the financial crisis destroy the system, where a great majority of world's finances is controlled by a several people, for the good of themselves and further getting rich, at the world's expense.
Furthermore, see how we live. We sit in houses, with heating, electricity, hot and cold water, sewerage, gas, food supplies, not endangered by bullets and bombs, we watch TV, have some money, we get educated, we have a binges, and so on. With such a living, it is easy to forget about the countless millions, struggling for a survival every moment.
Compare, how we live. In the rich parts of the world, people eats several times more of food than they need, and then they're sick, they eat excessive amounts of medicines and chemicals, this makes them sick as well, and pollutes the nature. Pollution, overused medicine and excessive food kills many of us by countless diseases, while we waste our time by watching television, where's not enough of independent, intelligent content to keep us thinking. We waste, and we waste a lot, not only food and medicine, but also heat, water, electricity, paper, petrol, etc... This wasting effectively kills us, while a lack of these comodities on the other side of the world, kills people even more.
Fortunately, this has one good side-effect. If we will ever be struck with an economic depression, we won't starve at all, only the shameless wasting of resources will cease. (which will be a painful process, but only psychologically) The more rich a person is, the greater loss will he have, but a modestly living people will not suffer.
These guys are fuckin' kidding us.
Those dormant people must be awakened. Nothing is asked from them, but to express their will visibly and audibly.
There never was a true capitalism, just as there wasn't a true communism. A capitalism requires a free market, but the market never was free in modern times, in the beginning there were strong corporations, which dictated their rules to the "free" market. Now, the capitalism as we know it, has one deadly rule. Short-termed good! Any corporation, which uses it's resources to develop a long-termed benefit, will be immediately destroyed by the concurence, which focuses on a short-termed advantage instead. This is why our capitalism is just about short-termed good, and it makes it very competitive, and hostile to nature and human values. (I'm paraphrasing the new Noam Chomsky's interview)
Remember, the world is rich, there is more than enough of everything per capita, the only reason why millions dies for banal reasons, are
Our wastefulness and consuming
Our wars and war expenses
Our gambling on stock markets
Our competition (the mentioned short-termed good)
So who must change, if these things should change?
The only thing the millions of us are waiting for, is someone who will say it aloud, what we always thought and wanted.
At worst, the poor people will not feel any change, they already live modestly, and such a people will be affected the least. There are people ready to give advices - not how to solve this economic crisis, which is inevitable anyway, but how to build a just world order on it's ashes. Remember, the just world order is the only thing which can save us from nuclear apocalypse.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
But the changes will not be so bad, really. Maybe there will be less of variety at shops, but not worse than in communism, when an exotic food there was an apple, and exotic vegetable was an onion.
Furthermore, the sharing of world resources, for which the humanity will hopefully decide, will free a lot of money previously used on war expenses. And there is more than enough of food for everyone in the world, it's just wasted.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
Maybe you should get your eyes checked
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
I doubt it. Why would they not know how to lie? It should naturally come to them. Even animals lie, especially in predator-prey relationships.
Well, I suppose IF our economy fell apart, then at least we could start over, and this process might fix the system.
Hmmmm, nice points.
Ouch, I hope Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, China, Russia, etc. agree with you on that one.
Dystopia? Isn't that exaggerating the situation in the other direction? Eh, whatever.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Even if she is an atheist, I hassard to guess that her reasons are just as weak and delusional as her hatred for blacks and love of Bush. She doesn't sound to substanative.
When I talk to people who say they are an athiest for the first time, I ask them why. If they simply say, "that makes no sense", while I may agree, what is more important is knowing WHY one holds a position.
Saying one is an atheist is unimpressive without knowing why one rejects a claim.
I'd see if this person knows about Occam's razor, infinite regress, the teapot, law of probability, and things like that. My bet is that they are claiming to be an atheist for purely emotional reasons and really have no clue what an atheist is.
I do know Republican atheists, but none that are delusional like this example.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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This is meant for the richer, "democratic" half of the world, also Russia. There is the vast majority of world's wealth, and there must be made a decision to redistribute it.
Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, etc, are the victim countries which will mainly receive a help, and this humanitary help will start to alleviate the tough regimes there, and will create a trust. Political tension there can't be resolved without a trust.
But with the exponential, at first, a large number of people, about a half of the graph, owning almost nothing, then a sharp uprise through our society, to a great heights of the wealth of top 10 000 owning or controlling milliards, while a normal person earns just some thousands of dollars.
The unequality in this world is extreme. There doesn't have to be a green squares (Soylent Green), or a constant warfare (1984), to signify a dystopia. It can look entirely differently, like a global mechanism, automatically grabbing all the wealth into the hands of few, while the half of world starves, and the other half is shaped and stimulated to consume and waste as much as they can. (just remember the brain massage of commercials everywhere)
In my opinion, television is a strategic technology, and as such, must be regulated. Smart people maybe doesn't obey commercials, but the population as a whole does, and thus a crime of brainwashing is committed, and a human freedom is transgressed. The same it is for violence in TV, I don't think it makes people be violent in the first place, but it makes them indolent to violence. Would a guts or brain shot out in TV even move you a bit? Me probably not. "Nice effect," I'd say.
Every normal person would be absolutely outraged for what is happening in the world, during any war, even the "righteous" ones like the last one in Iraq, Gruzia, etc... But we're made to be indolent. We've got massacres associated with entertainment. That's even more perverted than any of these dystopia fiction books!
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
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Jacob, I cordially invite you to the next family reunion we have. I guarantee such a hick fest will totally blow your mind!
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