Fame/Drama-Based Economy

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Fame/Drama-Based Economy

In the spirit of watching the U.S. economy titter and (in all likelyhood) fall on it's nose in the next few years (...likely foreshadowing a collapse of most other economies, as the suddenly broke U.S. can no longer afford to be the world's customers), I've been trying to recollect a non-currency based economy that my old friends and I had once talked about over some spirits after watching Bowling for Columbine (yeesh... I guess that was a long time ago).

 

The economy places no direct point value (no arbitrated currency or bartering value, in otherwords) on commodities or work. If you want something, you go to a distributor and (assuming it is in supply) they give it to you. The governing body analyzes each field where work is needed to provide the supply as assigns a workforce cap. Jobs are then made available to people only if the cap for that field hasn't been reached - so people still have a degree of choice (and probably a large degree) as to what their career will be, but there isn't a situation where there are (say) a million computer programmers for every one farmer.

People are motivated to work by being put on small, demographically even, gender-symmetrical teams (assuming that nature won't allow this - as it likely won't - membership will have to shuffle between teams for different shifts) and being obligated to make globally syndicated reports on what they're doing, what progress they've made since their last report, what innovations they've made, what different things they've done that have or haven't worked, etc. Each team has a certain annual 'production' goal (production, of course, meaning different things depending on the field of work being done) and will have to report on how they intend to meet the goal and, in quarterly reports, show how their progress is doing.

There are no direct punitive consequences for people who slack-off or teams that don't meet their goals.

 

In theory: The teams that work hardest and produce the most / innovative the most will become the most lauded and popular, and out of jealousy and the desire to reach such heights of popularity and drama, other teams wil be inspired to work to surpass them. Gender symmetry and demographical evenness should bring mate competition fiercely into the fold as well, given that people will want to win the affections and favor of the potential partners they work alongside.

Erm. Or maybe we'll all just starve? Sticking out tongue

Actually, funnily enough, I did something like this on a small scale when I went to work for a canvassing group. Really, really long hours and terrible pay - but that was one of the most memorable and enjoyable jobs I've ever had.

 

Anyone care to discuss / expand on / rebuke this train of thought? Obviously this is just a general picture with no details worked-on, and it would perhaps require simply too much administration - but I wonder what other ideas people might have for creating an economy that places no direct point value on goods/services (or simply reasons why such ideas aren't feasible)?

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Tough one Kevin and

Tough one Kevin and important. Bob Black, socialist, libertarian(?) , satire writer has some interesting ideas, about work. Sort of a way to create a more reasonable united work force by the idea of all working to make a more fun and leisurely world. Can it happen? Seems it should and could, but probably not soon, if ever. ??? I dream.

"THE ABOLITION OF WORK" , By Bob Black , essay

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haha!Good one Kev  I think

haha!

Good one Kev Smiling

 

I think that thinking outside the box is always both fun and useful, but since I am so strongly opposed to revolution, I generally prefer to think seriously only about how we can steer the current system in one direction or the other, and never how we can replace the current system entirely.

You should read some Iain M. Banks books. I think you'd like them.

I give a quick rundown of his galactic civilisation "The Culture" in the Technocracy thread, and while it it basically contingent on machines doing all work, it does have some elements of the system you mention. People there can only achieve "value" through fame, but unlike your system nobody has to work, because machines are doing all the work that sustains society, so if you are fine with being an anonymous member of society, you can lead a completely selfserving, hedonistic life.

I think that we would have to at have most of the basic primary and secondary means of production completely automated before we could even think to begin to implement this system, and even then, only in small gradual steps.

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Well, the 'problem' with

Well, the 'problem' with automation is that machines can only ever account for a certain percentage of our work. Even if we had robotic excavators, factories and refineries, these things/places still need to be maintained for standard wear and tear (Well, unless we had robots doing maintenence, too. But I'm really not sure even the most complex artificial intelligence systems could abstract to the extent needed to properly diagnose and address complex mechanical problems).

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"Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940


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Kevin, this reminds me of

Kevin, this reminds me of socialistic Heroes of labour, like Stakhanov and his trusty gigantic shovel Smiling Good idea, but corny and mischievously funny, for people who's fathers and grandfathers greeted each other with "cest praci" (honor to the work) I welcome the company policy, instead of just employing people, they actually also care for them. Of course, it shouldn't be misused like they do in Japan, (singing the corporation hymn in corporation uniforms and then doing all the day a miserable job with 20 years to wait for a promotion) where a suicide rate is one of highest.

One my great-grandfather, who was abducted and taken to a Syberia hostage working camp (he did die somewhere after by a bomb, but a part of his diary got to the family) was such a worker there. They had there some kind of mine, and who dug out the most of ore, or dug a longer than norm piece of a mine corridor, was celebrated as a Stakhanover. My great-grandfather was a Stakhanover once, when he cheated by shifting backwards a marking sign of the corridor length. The only (practically permanent) Stakhanover there was such a weird guy, so it wasn't very satisfying to be a Stakhanover together with him.

The problem with our economies is, that they are based on competition. Competition is a plague, and it should be restricted to Olympic games. Competition gives you only a few succesful individuals and a lot of the unsuccesful. The average outcome is always poor.
But a cooperation is much more profitable overall. There won't be any extremely rich people, but the average living standard will be very high. A lot of profit and technologic improvements is lost to competition. For example, as Noam Chomsky wrote, we have two main air traffic companies, Airbus and Boeing. If Boeing would use it's money to develop a new kind of airplane, which would give it an advantage 20 years after, Airbus would gain an advantage immediately (having Boeing weakened) and it would destroy Boeing. A competition doesn't allow anyone to focus on a long-termed benefit.
And the long-termed benefit would be the only one which lasts.

If we will transform our economies on cooperation, the impact on all the culture and life standard will be tremendous.
The most important step in that is the idea of sharing. Sharing the excessive capitalistic resources will resolve the conflicts in the world, and newly available money which were before spent on war, will be used constructively.
Soon, governments will fulfil their true function, which is providing a free food, water, housing, healthcare and education to all people, not bossing them around. We will not have to work in order to survive, and a non-compulsory work will become a form of entertainment, a hobby. Constructive, creative, artistic way of doing things is the right one. Living is an art, and people will become artists of life.
We can, eventually, have 4 days of the week free, instead of two. This will allow people to think, to do something in their leisure time, while today someone wants them to spend a half of day at work, and the second half in front of television. Someone wants to keep us dumb consumers, because it's good for a profit. Well, let's make some profit in human capital, not financial.

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LOL Liminon , really

LOL Liminon , really friend.     Fuck the monetary tread mill competition, ALL FOR ONE. I am an american Indian at heart. Progress is cooperation as you say.

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