This is the reason why i left britain last year
Posted on: October 14, 2008 - 4:30pm
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This is the reason why i left britain last year
I left London on the 10th of september 2007, and the video i am going to show to you is dated november the 13th 2007 (two months later). I am now living in switzerland (much much much better)
Do I need to write anything about this? If you will ask, i will be happy to explain tho.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnJcsQYZEGU
This is what WILL happen for sure to america and australia, same mistakes, same results. religion is this, histeria, nothing more nothing less. J
clinjaZ
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Ironically enough, I think this is one area where the far religious right will actually help us. Because there's no way in high hell that the Republican half of the country will ever support the types of laws that protect Islam that Britain has enacted will ever be even considered.
Frankly though, Multiculturalism is a good idea in principle, I mean everyone should be given a chance, but it in no way should ever be used the way it is currently being used. Just because we give you a chance doesn't mean you have to win at something.
When you say it like that you make it sound so Sinister...
Well, yes and no. The first amendment to the Constitution actually makes those laws unconstitutional in the first place, so we don't really need the religious right's help to keep out an "incitement to religious hatred" law, which failed in the UK in any case. Furthermore, blasphemy law went down for the count in the UK this year as well, so things appear to be swinging in the right direction. There are apparently active Sharia courts in some English counties, which is troubling, but Orthodox Jewish communties apparently have had similar courts for a long time, so people who speak out about the one had better be prepared to throw out the legitimacy of the other. There is the issue of the "incitement to racial hatred", in which a Muslim (for example) can claim that a slur on his religion is in fact a racial slur and press charges, but an intelligent judge and jury should see through that one fairly easily--here's a question for the Brits who spend time here--has their been any successful prosecution of such an offense? I know that it's talked about a lot, but has anyone actually gone to jail or been forced to pay a fine? I try to keep up with this sort of thing, but I don't doubt I've probably missed something.
"The whole conception of God is a conception derived from ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men."
--Bertrand Russell
Where in Switzerland? I'm a dual citizen, and I love it there! There is a good deal of Christianity present, but people tend to be private and low key about it. The Swiss like to let people live their own lives.
*Our world is far more complex than the rigid structure we want to assign to it, and we will probably never fully understand it.*
"Those believers who are sophisticated enough to understand the paradox have found exciting ways to bend logic into pretzel shapes in order to defend the indefensible." - Hamby
UK is one of the most secular countries on earth. Muslims make up around 2% of the population but have under less than 1% of the members of parliament.
That video is just British National Party propaganda (BNP is the British equivalient of the KKK). They are an extremely unpleasant party but are legal.
Well if someone wants to leave the UK because they agree with the BNP well good luck to them. Personally if someone wants to come to the UK obey the laws and work which is what most immigrants do then good luck to them.
@DamnDirtyApe:
Well yes, the constitution does clearly protect against such laws. However the laws are only as good as the people enforcing or making them. Right now, even if the first Amendment didn't exist, we still wouldn't have to worry about Sharia Courts being set up in the U.S., or worry about laws protecting Islam, because the Right would practically riot.
Of course without the first amendment we (meaning atheists) would likely still be getting ritually killed, so I am in no way trying to say I think the 1st Amendment is without purpose, merely that it isn't really helping defend us against Islam anyways.
Of course, while Britain struggles against the specter of Islamic Fundamentalism we have to fight just as hard against Christian Fundamentalism. Eh, Every country has its problems.
When you say it like that you make it sound so Sinister...
Every liberal democracy on the planet has sharia courts and yes that does include the US. Are people really making an effort to be pig ignorant about this?
A sharia court (or a jewish/flying spaghetti monster) one is the legal equivalent of one company hiring another person or one political party choosing their represenatitve in a presidential election without state intervention. All people involved agree on the process and the government at least most of the time does not get involved.
Or to put it in simple terms SHARIA COURTS ARE LEGAL IN THE USA!!!
All I can say about constitutions is that they can be rewritten if you have the consent of the people....or a government with enough power behind them, it's simply a piece of paper, with an idea, however that idea can be replaced with another idea.
I don't think most people would agree with that, actually.
"The whole conception of God is a conception derived from ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men."
--Bertrand Russell
Hmm...
Let's see now...
Voting day is Nov. 4th and the video you want people to watch is anti-leftist. I heard the innuendo, several times, that the cause of the problems shown in the video is because the "left" stupidly allowed the muslims to form their own little country inside a 4 block area.
Oh I get it, you want us to think that if obama is elected, the muslims with their insane laws will take control.
LOL
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
In the context of this post you can replace 'Sharia Courts' with golf club committee, interview for a job, divorce settlement without courts (yes we still have a few of those in the UK). That is the legal status of a Sharia court in both the UK and the US. To make them illegal you would have to create a law specificially aimed at banning them which isnt without merits nor is it without great danger.
Please don't confuse this with me thinking sharia law and islam is anything other than bollocks or a bad idea but sometimes banning something bad can lead to something even worse
No that would NOT help us. These people would use these same PC laws to oppress non-Christians and Christians outside their sect. PC laws be they written by the left or right will only be used as political weapons.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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hi synphanius, i am also for multiculturalism, i do not want to be misunderstood. However we must admit that sometimes it simply doesn't work. It only works if people have at least something in common, otherwise we create millions of gettos with no comunal space. Like a big zoo where lions and zebras have their own cages, put them together and it's armageddon... ciao
ps.: sorry for replying so late i had a terrible flu and sorry again for my english spelling, which is my step-mother language
clinjaZ
well you know... people are so scared of being considered racist that they just keep everything to themselves. i didn't hear anything i didn't see anything ' know nothing about anything peace love and let's keep it quiet...
clinjaZ
hello peppermint, sorry for answering five days late (but for creationists that would be just five minutes
) switzerland is beautiful, expecially becose people mind their own business about religion, it's not something you talk about... but who cares about fairytales anyway... viva switzerland
happy to see that my post (a bit provocative) generated a lot interest.
clinjaZ
hi mrjonno
don't t ake it wrong but... comparing the bnp to the kkk is like to compare 4 billions years to 6,000 years. a bit dofferent i would say. I do NOT belong to the BNP but they cant be wrolng about everything can they? as you said they are legal, not the same for the kkk no? i didn't leave uk becose i agree with the bnp, that is a bit naive, to put itthat way... i had my horrible experiences and i saw silence and blindness. that is very close to suicide. indeed uk is a very secular nation, just like usa (with its bible bels); italy (with ratzinger the PoofyPope wearing Prada); or every other country which is very secular but not yet as much as we would like right? bye
ps.: in some parts of the uk there are swimming pools for men and swimming pools for women (and they have to swim fully dressed)
clinjaZ
dear aiia where to start, i admit that my comment was provocative (and i already wrote it) but you are seeing U.F.Os... there was no relation with my post and the american elections (LOL is a teenage youtube bitchy thing by the way, not very rational in my opinion) and if you really want to know what i think about the usa elections, here to you:
i don't really like obama
I REALLY DON'T LIKE MCCAIN
enjoy...
ps.: try LOL in a jesus camp... maybe it will work better... bye
clinjaZ
well i must say i agree 99%
the missing 1% is the "or a government with enough power behind them". sometimes (in my opinion) governments seem to have power, but they only do what more powerful subjects tell them to do.. like today in our splendid democratic econocracies where corporations and multinationals tell politicians what to do and not to do. but who knows...
clinjaZ
The KKK is legal. The US takes freedom of speech/association VERY seriously so giving your opinion, even if it is what a normal person would consider disgusting is considered a basic right. Denying the holocaust existed is perfectly legal in the US. Belonging to the KKK or spouting off racist opinions is 100% legal, as it should be. The minute they do something to actually intimidate or harm someone they are breaking the law.
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well don't take it wrong but i agree with that becose i believe ("free speech for all, even douch bags"
that the worst statement is always better than censorship. But as i wrote i do not belong to the bnp (or the KKK), i just think that video is reflecting (at least part of it) the truth in th uk. (I lived there for three years and it's more or less like what you can see in that video)
nothing against blacks arabs africans etc., but a lot against islam christianity hinduism religion fanatism histeria etc.
you will admit that islam comes with arabs and that many africans (back in africa) are today brainwashed by christians who want to convert the whole continent. The Roman Church is betting a lot on the old continent, just as many european and american christian congregations.
ps.: I thought the KKK was illegal.. america never stops surprising me...
just imagine if nazism was legal in germany or fascism in italy... 
clinjaZ
Nazism is legal in the US. Fascism IS legal in Italy - Mussolini's granddaughter - after being a porn star - was a member of the Italian parliament for a bit.
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