Will the colonizers take the Bible to Mars?
Posted on: December 31, 2008 - 7:55am
Will the colonizers take the Bible to Mars?
If so, what for?
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Will the colonizers take the Bible to Mars?
Posted on: December 31, 2008 - 7:55am
Will the colonizers take the Bible to Mars?
If so, what for?
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My guess is yes. For symbolic reasons. Should it be? Meh. Maybe as a representation of mans success, but not as a religious one. Since religion is part of the reason we don't already have a colony there...
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If the Gideons gets access to the spacecraft.
A Bible weighs several ounces. These ounces could be better used for fuel, food, or air.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
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Even vacuum would be a better use of space.
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I'm not sure this discussion belongs in a forum dedicated to Biblical Inerrancy or the lack thereof, but I do think your comments should be addressed:
Of course the Bible will go to Mars, and well it should. The reason it will go is that many, probably most of the members of the expedition will be religious Christians, and they will need Bibles for comfort, especially given the long times they will be away from their loved ones. I haven't seen statistics for recent astronauts, but early astronauts were almost all church-going Christians--they were military officers, and the officer corps has a tradition of churchgoing. So if you were to write out all of the Christians in the history of space exploration, you'd be left with a pretty empty (and nearly all Russian) shell. It's a simple fact that some people can better deal with making sacrifices for their nation and for humanity--and there will be a lot of sacrifices on any trip that takes 8 months or more each way--if they receive support from their religion. That's why many soldiers celebrate mass or hold prayer meetings before a battle.
Anyway, I hope you're not saying that the astronauts should be denied the comfort of religion; it seems to me that athiests, as a minority, should welcome the principle of religious freedom over religious imposition of any stripe. It's one thing to say religion is not for you, another more dangerous thing to say that you should impose atheism on someone else, and pure fantasy to think that other people are not religious, however much you may wish they weren't. BTW we should send Korans or other religious texts as appropriate to meet the spiritual needs of the astronauts.
I wouldn't worry too much about the weight, we can send the Bible along as an e-book. And I bet we'll send an American flag along; that takes up weight that could be devoted to food, too, but it is important to the spirit of the mission.
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Read the history of humanity, focussing on the last 2000 years. If you haven't seen the insane amounts of proof within it, then you're not qualified to continue this conversation.
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If you want to try to prove your point, I'll make it easy for you. Name a single technology that is essential for space travel that Christians held back in such a way that it delayed the exploration of outer space. You've got a bunch to chose from: rocketry, existence of oxygen, metallurgy, Newtonian physics, just pick one and show how Christians caused that to delay the space program, and you win. But you can't, and we both know it.
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I imagine the Bible, the Koran. the Book of Mormon and others will all go as Ebooks as well as an entire library of books, technical journals, DVDs, porn movies, magazines and TV shows. It will take around 3 years to go there and come back and you never know they may get stuck there. In the event they are trapped and can find a way to get air and food they will have a long wait for a rescue mission so they might need a whole lot of entertainment.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
I'd love to see how much effort you'd put into a post after spending hours on them repeatedly only to see them ignored. If you don't get it yet, I'll point it out when it happens.
How amusing: projection. I havn't made a single attack. Yet. This false accusation brings me very close though. Watch yourself.
We'll see about that.
You wish.
We'll see.
How about our understanding of Earth neither being the centre of the solar system, nor the centre of the universe. Just to start, of course. I can point to the flat earth society as a surviving member of that crap.
How about libraries that were burned?
How about the crusades?
Just did. Try again.
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You're a physicist? You work with it professionally? Where did you get your degree, and what was your specific field?
Dude doesn't seem to want to give up that top-secret piece of information.
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Glib nothing. I explained my response, and gave you a new one. If you don't like it, you can shove it up your ass.
Also, you haven't done a single thing to prove your own assertions. To demand proof from me begs hypocrisy. Any bald assertions I've made have been in response to your own.
Beyond that, the idea that I haven't proved myself just shows how completely ignorant you are on the subject of logic.
We'll add that to your list of "sins".
I never said that. Now you're changing my words.
Rofl. I'm not an anti christian bigot. I hate all religions equally. But that doesn't mean I hate the people within those religions. Everyone is different, and I always judge them on their own terms. You have lied, put words in my mouth, and denied logic even when I named the very fallacies you were guilty of using in your arguments. That makes you an asshole. So I'll treat you like one.
I've backed up everything. It's long past being your turn.
So you forfeit and pretend it didn't happen in the face of complete annihlation. Like most of your type.
You don't get it. Science is built on science. Anything repressed means everything is repressed.
What technology would be lost if an emp hit earth? Gee, I wonder. They didn't have computers back then, they had books to keep information and discoveries in. Burning libraries sets back progress. Just how much do you need to be led through reality?
The Arabs and Jews in the Middle East were FAR ahead of the Europeans in science. Until the crusades.
I doubt you're capable of debating on a 5 year olds level, let alone mine.
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Vastet, you are an incredibly arrogant debater on these forums. Respectful asked you to back up your statements with evidence and you couldn't. He gave you a list of aspects of space travel and you failed to prove how Christianity inhibited those aspects.
Instead of making arguments with evidence, you just throw out insults and act like you're the most brilliant person on Earth. Get over yourself.
Now I await your typical response filled with personal attacks. You're always entertaining Vastet.
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Not so fun when it's coming from the other side is it?
I more than proved it. Ignoring reality is a common theist response.
Personal attacks are not helping your case at all.
There's that theist projection again. It is quite obvious who came in throwing the insults around.
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