Blah blah...

 

To all of you wanting me to apologize; I will NOT.

 

Blah blah...

 I am an asshole. 

 

Blah blah...

I'm one of the new guys and most of what I say will be swept under the mat so, I'm expecting that.  However, I will not stay silent because I enjoy speaking my mind, even if what I have to say doesn't always please people.   

 

Blah blah...

So, I'm done with this thread on that note.

 

MOD EDIT: Here's the deal, Sage:

I asked you for a simple apology for breaking the rules and insulting a member & friend. You didn't provide it. You're a kook and not an established member, and frankly, I don't give a shit what a badass rebel you think you are.

You're not 'done with this thread'. You're done, period, until you come back and apologize for your behavior. I will personally be reducing your future posts to so much incoherent drivel until you do so. Capiche?

 - KB

 

Then I hope you won't take it personally if we don't like you as a result.  I, for one, am friends with Greek Goddess, and I don't like people who pointlessly insult her for their own jollies.

Typically, well adjusted grown ups don't get their jollies by throwing random people's feelings under the bus.  I find that kind of thing to be juvenile and mean spirited.  I don't go out of my way to bother with juvenile mean spirited people.

You know what I do?  I pretend like I'm talking face to face and try not to say things over the internet that I wouldn't say in person.  Do you really insult random girls you don't know in person?  If so, I can say with certainty that I think you're an ass and not worthy of any of my precious time or energy.

Clearly, some of us enjoy stepping on toes and some don't.

Your sense of humor is not funny to me.

To make sure we're on the same page, abusive language towards our members is a bannable offense.  Put a sock on it or you can find somewhere else to hang out.  We respect each other here.

It's everything I can do to keep from banning you right now.  I suspect you're going to get banned very soon anyway, but I want to give you fair warning that if you're going to participate here, you're going to have to play by our rules.  Can you do that, or do you just want to save me the trouble of banning you and find somewhere else to get your sadistic jollies?

Seriously.  I think it would be better for you to just go play somewhere else.  We don't like you and we'd rather you not be here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hahaha. Yeah. Well. I dunno. Other gay guys can do what they want, I'm not judging them.

Buuut you mentioned the whole "straight, or so they say" issue. That's another issue that was present at said party. There were... one, maybe two men who I'd say fell into the "straight, or so they say" category. They were the types of guys that gay men seduce in private and succeed in doing so (i.e, the so-called straight dudes that are "No, I'm straight" in public but "Sure, suck my dick" in private). And I noticed that with these types of guys, they were much more friendly with the gay guys.

 

This bothered me, as well- because I'm sitting there on the couch, just trying to socialize with everyone like you would normally do at a party. But because I'm not making blatant attempts to whore myself out to the straight dudes, they pay no mind to me. In essence, the divide between straight and gay males had nothing to do with sex- because they obviously wanted some @$$ on the "down low" (as they say these days... don't they?). I was the "gay guy" that night because of simply being a gay male. Yet the homosexual harlots (haha, idk.) were just part of the crowd.

Only accepted into said crowd of men because of the "straight" males secret desire to have sex with another male.

I think that's pretty fucking ridiculous. ...Also, for the record, I sound very anti-gay (self-hating?) in these posts. I just want to clarify that I'm not. It's just I don't identify with gay culture, and I like to be respected as a human being, male or female, gay or straight- to no group of people do I want to be just "the gay guy" nor "the gay guy that will suck your dick for free in private."

It's a difficult subject for me to speak my opinion on, though- because I have no right to judge what other people do. And I don't. I just get upset with the backlash of it all; negative stereotypes and stigmas caused by other's actions as I am assimilated into a culture which I never willingly made the choice to be a part of.

 

What, nobody liked "topic at hand"? I thought it was at least a quality groaner. C'mon. Nobody?

Ugh. See where insults get forum topics? Into Nofunland.

Sooooo, is it okay to think about the object of these incorrect insults, while having sex, and simultaneously think about the person throwing the insults watching and crying that they will never have either the figment or the actual sex partner?

 

I need a 'moral' compass here.

 

None of it really matters. GreekGoddess already knows how uber-hot she is.

I can't prove it, but I think hot chicks like to masturbate to the thought of men or women masturbating to them.

Your thoughts, girls?

And to help with that ... here's a handy guide (cue 50s instructional video music):

When discussing topics of personal attractiveness or manner of dress with other people, be kind no matter what. It's the thing to do that's the opposite of stupid. For example, when someone says, "How do I look?" you say "Great!" even if they look terrible, like modern architecture.

Let's try it!

"Hey, Will, what's up? Do you like my new dress?"

"No, it makes you look fat. Also, your hair looks lame in braids."

Buuuzzzzz. Sorry, wrong answer. Let's try again.

"Hey, Will, what do you think of my new hairstyle?"

"It's great! Have you ever tried your hair down? That would look good, too."

Bing bing bing! Correct!

Notice how Will was able to make a constructive suggestion instead of just being a Debbie Downer.

Thanks for playing. Next time, we'll show you how to charm any woman on earth.

"Go on, guess how old I am!"

"21"

Don't hesitate, boys, just say "21", regardless. Younger women will think you think they're mature, and older women will appreciate that you're a silver-tongued devil. Women who are actually 21 will immediately want to sleep with you because of your magical powers.

Tune in next time!

I'm not a girl, however, I do think I know what women think about.

They are stimulated by the romance, the story line, the feelings, the situation, the atmosphere, etc

OK.

You two aren't helping.

I'm getting ready to go home and wake the spouse up and I need to know if it's okay to think about a certain hot chick on these forums while imagining that a certain asshole is watching in envy.

What's the call here? Am I good? Is it too much?

The spouse admitted that she thinks about past encounters until something in the present replaces it.

That's boring. Fantasies are supposed to be out of reach right? Too real and things get out of hand.

reach. out of hand.

get it?

Will was funnier.

I would be really flattered. It would actually make me go masturbate to them masturbating.

This reminds me of the dual ass-whuppin' I got from my grandmother for calling one of my sisters a bitch when I was 9. After the spanking she told me to tell my sister that I was sorry. Glaring at my sis through the tear soaked grime that kids can accumulate, I said " I'm sorry that you're a bitch. " . It was as well recieved as the Enola Gay over Hiroshima. The Bitch of Buchenwald that was granny nearly blew an artery before getting herself under control well enough to flog me again.

In hindsight, it was worth it just to see the look on the old battleaxe's face.

Oh, we'll see.



Hmm... that wasn't quite what I was getting at.  I think I meant that everyone likes to feel like they're attractive and when it's all in good fun, what harm can flirting do?  Just ask Will.

I wasn't speaking exclusively (or necessarily at all) of closeted-straight-acting-'bisexual'-guys (there must be a single word for that!) and the gays who seduce them.



Well, you're not attention seeking.  For the record, I never said anything about whoring myself out -so don't draw parallels, it'd get me in trouble.



Well, there wasn't a divide exactly because of sex.  If there's one thing gay and straight males can have in common, it's sex and even an obsession with and for it.  That's not a bad thing, actually.  I suppose everyone was having fun... except you.  I would have had fun.  Of course, I wouldn't be trying to sleep with anyone either (whore myself out).



In that particular group.  But I expect they'd be accepted anyhow.  And something tells me the desire wasn't so secret at all.



You think it's ridiculous for people to be sexual and to have fun being sexual?  Well, that's ridiculous.  Come on!  Or perhaps the part you're peeved about is where the gay guys are attention grabing by being so blatantly sexual in an attempt to figure out which of the straight guys weren't so straight?  Well, if they're that horny direct your 'friends' to dudesnude or manhunt so that when you have another social engagement it can be more social and less sexual.



Nah, you just sound like a prude who's upset with the, perhaps, needless, overt sexuality of a particular subset of gay men.  I'll take it for granted that the other fags at the party were twinky (or thought they were), flamey and no older than their early 20's?  We shouldn't be surprised by their behaviour and we shouldn't extend that image as the norm for the rest of the culture.



Well, I don't want to be the gay guy who'll do it for free either!  Payment, please!  Seriously, however, (not that I don't want the money) I don't identify with that particular aspect of gay culture either.  Don't mistake that aspect for the entirety of it.



Don't be silly.  Disagreeing with how people behave is fine.  It's even judgemental.  Think long and hard about what exactly you're judging, though.  Personal indignation or pudeness is never a good place to start judging from.  It may not be right by you, that behaviour, but so what?



Wow.  You just explained how it is to be a human participating in any culture.  Now that you've joined us, sit back and relax.  Let the whores be whores and find somewhere(s) you do fit in.

Now, are you attractive enough for me to jerk off to?

Thanks, Will.  And just so you know, you are attractive enough.

Amazing!  My work here is clearly done!

Well, if you're getting off to me, Ctp.  That's fine.  It merely reaffirms my superior hottness.  After all, all girls think gay guys are attractive right?  There's certainly some of us who are particularly attractive.  (Count me as one such hotty).

Now, if I were hit on... well, I'd take it in stride.  My ego always bows to expansion.  Heck, I might even kiss the girl or squeez her tits if she was attractive enough.  -Don't worry, Ctp. I wouldn't get upset with you.

Just in case you didn't understand, that was a completely 'random' tangeant that I got to thinking about after I read the things you said, and after looking (not so fondly) back on said party.

I wasn't trying to imply you actually said any of those things, nor that you even brought them- it wasn't an arguement of any kind and I wasn't accusing you of fitting into any of those descriptions, etc. (though if you feel you do, more power to you).

 

Also, no. The gay men there were in their 30s, even 40s. But yes they were very flamboyant. 

 

 Only one of them was in his 20s, and it was late 20s.

Oh, and I'm not a prude. >=/

I like to have sex just as much as the next guy. >.>

I love you. That's the hardest I've laughed all week.

Some times i wonder whether i come here for the logged intelligence... or just to prove to myself that there are really people, more insane than i am o_O

 

*ermph*

 

Please Continue

Okay, before anyone falls for that, don't.

 

Also, Captain, your new avatar is awesome. Do you have a larger copy? The manic smile + budgie/parrot + can of something + blue dress ... it's ... it's ... so beautiful.*tear*

Yes.  And you know, I'm really, really glad that you're back.  Really glad!  Really, really.

I'm glad you're only asking half in jest because this is a tough question to answer.

First, we'll want to stear around stereotypes.  Not every gay male looks sharper than the average straight male.  I know you were just using it as an example though.  Also, please remember to take what I say at its value.  There aren't any studies I know of about this and largely I'm speaking from personal observation.

I think that there are or can be distinct selectors and selectees, but I also think that there are quasi-selectors/selectees and I think that that is the main role played.  I'll explain.

Without getting into details (which I'm sure would be worth expanding on in a different thread), there is the scenario of the young man (>23 at most) and the much older man (<32 at least) (or at least ~10 years age difference).  The young man is the selector.  He, essentially, is something that the older man wants and the older man must appeal enough to the young man, usually with money and security, that he picks him and not another.

In any other group of homosexual males I cannot think of a way in which there are distinct selectors and selectees.  Sex, merely for pleasure, being such a large part of the selection and it being very easy to get, means that (within the group two men are selecting from) of those looking for long term relationships the best picks will look like the best picks and will often pick each other.  That is, everyone who looks 'sharper' and has more 'bling' will simultaneously select and be selected by everyone else who looks 'sharper' and has more 'bling'.

As it is, that's the only way in which I think selection can happen with gay males... and it's certainly much more complicated that I've put it.

 

Why I love my land?  (my new one not my birth one) As I walk in the pink dusk
of the city the colour of a rose
I have but only one question to pose
what is it that draws me to this land?Is it the syrupy sweetness of jalabi
the hot roti straight of the tawa
the dozens of sweet, wide eyed kids
gazing at the moon?Is the rivers of Kerala mirroring the moonlight
or maybe the satin silky saris of every shade and hue
could it be the surrounding mountains that when absent give me the blues?It is neither of this.
It's something deeper
something that I don't find at home
It's the sense of dignity I see in the eyes of the elders
the sense of belonging amongst the kids
the honor and self-respect of the mothers by the river, their heads held high
The depth of human contact, the message from a look alone, the symbolism of colour and that nothing is as it seems.
Here, everything has a deeper meaning
Nothing is merely something. This little poem may make the reasons why I left White, USA, Western call it what you want culture for a one I find more suitable. I mean finding someone pleasuring themselves over you (read mentally raping you, imagining sex with you without your permission) flattering is nothing but a sign of shamless and undignified character. Are mops so expensive in the USA you have to use your honor to wipe the floors? Pineapple is the only one with self-respect here wanting to be taken and remembered as a person not a sex bag. Pineapple if you don't mind me telling your ethnic background I would be very gratful. I am of Sicilian descent myself and am starting to get the idea that Mediterraneans and Asians have a naturally higher sense of shame and dignity than what I call "bleach" (i.e. German, British, Swedish) descended folks. Please people get a gram just a gram of dignity and get rid of strip clubs, cheerleaders, Hooters and whatnot and you may prevent other women like me from leaving their decadent, corrupt culture. My other half is Punjabi Jat and says he wouldn't mind slapping anyone in the face who'd admit something so low as self-pleasure over him and if he heard anyone admit they did it over me or over one of his seven sisters he'd have trouble keeping his jatagan (ceremonial sword) in his belt! Might sound harsh but I totally get him!  

 

So, when I masturbate I think of myself.

Does that make me gay or just terribly conceited?

 

or c all of the above?! lol na nothing wrong with thinking oneself sexy hehe

Yeah probably all of the above is the proper answer... 

 

Anyway since someone else did a little necromancy on this thread I'd say I would be flattered.
I wouldn't be comfortable with someone nuzzling me by surprise that I didn't know man or woman just for the fact that it's an uninvited act of intimacy.
Now, that said, I would be equally weirded out by either a man or a woman and would want to know what they thought they were doing or why they thought that was appropriate...