Hell House!
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I am new to the board and I didn't find a search option to see if this topic has been discussed before so my apologies if it has.
I would like to know if anyone has seen that documentary about those crazy Hell Houses where evangelicals (mostly Christian evangelicals I do believe) love to scare the living crap out of people (mostly children and young adults) of what will make them go to hell? Usually they do these types of hell houses during Halloween and I tell you what, it is more graphic and gory than a normal haunted house would be. Little children are watching this! They are freaking them out and "forcing" them to believe by scaring the shit out of them. What kind of parenting is that?
Here are some of the themes they do:
-Abortion with lots of screaming, crying, and blood with uncaring doctors.
-Witches pressuring depressed teens to commit suicide? WITCHES!?!?!?
-Humans being scarified during a satanic ritual.
-Gays and Lesbians being tortured and burned in hell because of their "sinful" ways during their life.
These are just of the few themes that they love to do! They are practically promoting violence and making it look OK because it's for their "god". I mean, in a way these "caring" parents are taking their children to these houses and are pretty much lying to them. I am sorry but in reality you will never see an abortion where there is screaming, lots of blood, and never an uncaring doctor or nurse. But in that child's brain...it's going to make it look like that is reality. This has to be some sort of child abuse! Oh yeah, they have a theme for that as well.
I also would like to state that in my opinion, these so called “enlightened ones” are being complete hypocrites! Aren’t these the same type of people who always bitch and moan about violence in movies and video games? But yet they are doing the same thing! The crap they are show is very graphic and violent. So what they are showing is OK because it’s for god?
Grrrr…I am sorry but this is all wrong. Very very wrong.
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I have heard about hell house before, you can find the videos on youtube. I agree they do show up the fundies as brainwashing hypcrites. But then what else is new about fundies.
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Welcome to the forums Chappy. I live in Bakersfield, CA and every Halloween local phreeks put on that show. The news teams all do positive stories on it and everyone, at least those incapable of rational thought, think it's a great thing. Evangelical parents are no better than radical Muslim parents or any other parent with fundamentalist attitudes regarding their religion. Indoctrination by twisting the minds of young children has been a mainstay since xtianity began.
Here in Bakersfield we have fundies on the school board trying to dumb down the educational process. One such fundy on the school board, Chad Vegas, announced the night he won his first election that it was time for a "good old-fashioned book burning". He later said he was just joking. Now we have "In god We Trust" posters in every classroom.
A city councilwoman, an insipid little old lady, started an organization called "In god We Trust Foundation" that is striving to get the phrase in every public building in the nation.
Then there is the whack-job who walks around town all day, everyday, dragging a cross on wheels as though he is hay-soos. Every year there is a "prayer breakfast put on by politicians and community leaders. They all stand around praying and waving their hands in the air.
Fundies will do whatever it takes to push their misoginistic beliefs on everyone. Fear, lies and ignorance is a weapon used by them quite effectively. Yeah, it's wrong but they have the right to put that shit out there. Of course we have the right to fight it with intelligence and rationality. Stick around on the forums, it'll open your eyes and you'll learn a lot.
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Yes, I was actually using Word and then pasted it in here. Thanks for the information on how to get past that...
So you know what would be awesome? How about a completely different Hell House? Where actors and actresses do different themes on how "lovely" religion is. Like a theme for the Salem Witch Trials, the Crusades, the Inquisition? How about our founding fathers of the United States turning in their graves seeing how the gap of separation of church and state is slowly closing? Now THAT would piss off a lot of people but I think it would be great! Or how about some of our greatest scientists being sent to death because they didn't believe the Earth was flat or that the Earth rotates around the sun, not the other way around? These would be some great themes...
I am sure most of you have heard about how the fundamentalists love to say that "Atheists are shoving their belief down our throats!” First of all, as I am sure all of you already know, it's a non-belief! Secondly, how the hell do they think we are shoving it down their throats? They are the ones that want to put the Ten Commandments everywhere, they are the ones that want "in god we trust" or "under god" plastered on everything. It was never on original printed money and it wasn't even in the original Pledge of Allegiance either!
Of course what's most frightening of all is their goal to add "creation science" into the classrooms. How the hell is that freaking science? There is no damn evidence that supports it! Oh and them saying "Well the Bible..." NO! The Bible isn't a damn science book. Oh, and I love their "cunning" ways of hiding their real plot and saying "Intelligent Design".
I swear if the Bible said the world was flat (or does it? Haven't read much of it...) they would still think the world is flat even though we have damning evidence that it's round! Well not completely round, but you get the point…
I am glad I have found a place to vent a little. I hardly can talk about this to my friends because they mostly don't want to talk about it or it just becomes a big argument. Science/Evidence/Reason vs. Faith is a bitch!
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First off, welcome to the forums.
That bit being said, it should come as no real surprise that the bible is not really a good source for science material. Nor is it likely to say directly anything that runs counter to stuff that the people of the time could easily check out for themselves. Except for where it actually does.
As far as whether it says that the earth is flat, here we have no exception to the general rule. It just does not come right out and say so. However, there are a great many passages that simply do not make sense with a round earth.
For example, in the temptation of christ, the devil takes jesus to the top of a huge mountain, from which it is possible to see the whole world at one time. Also, in the book of Daniel, there is mention of a tree that is also that tall and from which you can see the whole earth.
That much being said, when the bible does touch directly on science, it pretty much gets disasterously wrong. For example:
1 kings 7:23 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.
So according to the bible, the value of pi is exactly equal to 3.00
Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
So trees are made of meat apparently. Would someone please send a memo to the starving people living in the jungles of southeast Asia?
Habbakkuk 1:8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.
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At the time the King James Bible was published, Answers in Gene..., "meat" in vernacular English still meant just "item of food", especially if it wasn't used in conjunction with an animal's name. So the Genesis 1:29 passage made completely logical sense to its original intended audience. Mind you, if taken literally it appears god wants everyone to be vegetarians - now that's spooky and terrible news for McDonalds! Soon they'll have to start a religion of their own, they have so few friends left.
But your misinterpretation brings up a whole plethora of biblical snippets where etymological evolution, translation and sometimes just plain crappy translation have indeed led to christians thinking god said something that would have had the original writers in giggles (or more likely fits of fury given that they were just as delusional and prone to taking offence as their modern audiences).
Welcome to the site, chappy. Your original post touches on what I regard as the central theme of religion - all religions - as far back as the pseudo-philosophical crapology has been going on. It's all about control, namely controlling other people, and in order to achieve control over others there is no technique of persuasion - absolutely none - which hasn't been employed to that end. By far the greatest technique in terms of behaviour endemic to all religions is peer pressure and, as any brainwasher will tell you, the younger you can get them to respond to that stimulus the more likely it is to become predictable, and therefore malleable, behaviour on the victim's part. The example you mention "the Hell House" is designed to have a profound effect on young minds (and adults without the facility of discernment). It is juvenile and basely prurient - that's why it works.
And that's why I think your counter-suggestion of exhibits featuring the gruesome excesses of violence and ignorance committed in the name of religion is brilliant.
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I think it would be awesome to make that sort of hell house. I just wouldn’t know what exactly to call it. Have any ideas? I could see the news all over it too and oh the threats the fundys would be making…it would be a blast!
Here is another question…
Is there anyone out there that has religious friends and when they start yapping away about how cool their “god” or “religion” is, do you just sit there, smile and nod, then look like you agree with them? But of course, deep down you just want to tell them that they are freaking morons, blinded, and want to tell them to start thinking for themselves? I usually just sit there and pretend that I agree with them so I won’t cause any problems.
Why do I feel like I have to keep quiet while they spew out their nonsense?
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Call it the Christian Hell on Earth House.
I hated this about Texas. I lived quite close to the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, and had a couple of encounters with Carl Blaugh, ummm, Baugh. I wish I had saved the pics of the Fanatatruck from there, a red pickup with emergency police style lights on top, plastered with religious bumper stickers, and beer cans poorly concealed beneath the garbage in the back...but I'm getting off topic. Talk about hell on earth! Alaska has not been much better. At least two out of ten Texas fundies could form coherent sentences.
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How about heaven house, or maybe the house of god.
This question comes up regularly (in life as well as on these boards). Since you're talking about your friends here then the question raises a whole bunch of other issues which probably deserve to be addressed first (why are they your friends etc etc).
However the simple advice I would give is to play it straight and stay honest with yourself. Don't smile and nod if what you're hearing does not please you or is something you disagree with. If it's someone you really care for then show your concern for their obvious problem and, if necessary, express your view that finding comfort in fantasy is all very well but it should have its limits and if they want to talk about how they've landed up in this mess then you're always ready to listen.
If it's just an acquaintance you can simply tell them to save their breath. Getting abusive and calling them freaking morons is rarely a good tack, even against those who aggressively shove their delusion in your face. But mind you, it feels great sometimes!
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