Newcomer, my brief story
Growing up in suburban America isn't easy. Not because it is a dangerous place to live, but because suburbia respects and encourages a content state of mind, usually in the form of comfort. One may live their entire natural life in the suburbs without questioning a single thing. The mind is at ease. This type of environment breeds pseudo-intellectualism. One is never challenged, if he/she ever is challenged, it's at the little league park or with neighborly bickering of "whom should host the block party" this year or "whom should collect funds for the Christmas illuminati event." Suburbanites never use the word "whom" though, in our town, the Philadelphia accent often washed out proper pronunciation of words. I could have been a baseball player. My dad, a union leader, encouraged me to stick with baseball because I played it so well. Only one thing stopped me from pursuing a baseball career: I disliked sports. I wanted to be intellectually challenged. I was tired of people calling me a great "all around player" and being discouraged from acting on my own will. Whatever the coach wanted from our team, the players had to do it. That kind of surrounding, coupled with the nausea of suburbia, would have been the birth of another Joe-the plumber from "insert town here," America. I thank punk rock and my own intellectual curiosity for my transition from a typical suburbanite to a man who questioned everything presented to him. My first big question centered around the existence of God. From an early age, I was frightened of the afterlife. Although my family wasn't religious, they did believe in some form of God, and that vague paranoia passed onto me at an early age. I always wondered, "When I die, an eternal life awaits me, and my Creator will judge the actions I performed on Earth." I was more afraid of the idea of an eternal life than having to explain my Earthly actions to Him. I find comfort knowing there is an end to the pain that is life. Nothing frightened me more than knowing another life awaited me. What if i didn't want another life? What if I hated it? I couldn't kill myself. I was already dead. So I challenged the fear of afterlife and looked for a better way. Originally, i thought I was alone on this idea, to assume there would be another belief, another way, seemed so far fetched. But after researching, I found that there were many people in the world who felt the same way. It wasn't limited to punk rock, whom I felt expressed the anger of society better than anyone else, but dissident figures were on television as well: George Carlin, Bill Hicks, etc. I consider those people/musicians inspiring. It was only a matter of time before I found out about the heavy hitters in the world of science and elsewhere that could materialize what I had been questioning for so long: Is there even a God? Carl Sagan helped me through it. After initially questioning the existence of God, I started questioning everything. I witnessed my own metamorphosis while up against the impossible odds in an environment known for pseudo-intellectual thought. I am now a student studying Journalism and am wondering why my liberal peers are so happy with Mr. Obama when he isn't going to further the liberal agenda but simply do what every Democrat does which is cater to the center. Anyway, i'm happy to find people who are willing to challenge something so wildly accepted as fact. Nice to meet you fine people. -Damon Fillman
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Welcome aboard! Hope to read more from you soon.
There seem to be quite a few Libertarians on this site. You wouldn't happen to be more Green or Peace and Freedom would you? Welcome even if you're not.
I am now a student studying Journalism and am wondering why my liberal peers are so happy with Mr. Obama when he isn't going to further the liberal agenda but simply do what every Democrat does which is cater to the center.
"I am that I am." - Proof that the writers of the bible were beyond stoned.
Who are you calling "fine"? I am missing teeth and live in a trailer, which is funny because I made fun of a fellow atheist, when I lived in an apartment, he lived in a trailer, now he lives in an apartment.
DAMN YOU IRONY!
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Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
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Welcome. Maybe people are happy with Obama because he's the best that can realistically be hoped for in an American President. I'm very left wing, but as I get older I get more pragmatic. I like Obama, not because he's the saviour that's going to bring socialism to the world, but because he's the best that a socialist can realistically hope for in a US President. I guess it doesn't affect me as much as it does Americans though.
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Be carefull in America bantying about the word "socialist". It gives them an immage of a facist one party state with no freedom of the press or freedom of religion.
I think what some mean in using that word is better regulation geared toward a better economic ratio between the classes. However, whatever the original intent of that word was, is not what Americans see it as and certainly was bastardized by the Communist party of the Soviet Union.
I am for a free market and am for freedom of speech, even when it is offensive to me. BUT, I do find it absurd that the average CEO of an American megga corp makes 400 times more than their lowest paid worker. And there is practically no oversight of wall street that allows the CEOs to blackmail the government into protecting their profit margin by threatening to send jobs overseas when they know damned well they can afford the cost.
However, I would be intrested in hearing "Answers In Gene Simmons" take on this. He is one of the few republican atheists on this site.
I certainly would not want to live under Hugo ChuvASS!
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I don't consider myself a Libertarian. A title like that would suggest ties with Ron Paul, which I believe misled the left into his backwards agenda. I am more of a green party supporter than anything else. I believe the liberation of planet Earth is more important than the liberation of our twisted political system, although, that has to come eventually. Unfortunately, people are too content with their comfortable lifestyles to question the autocractic regimes that the American people vote in every four years. I was a supporter of Cynthia McKinney, but I got suckered into voting for Mr. Obama which day to day I regret. It's not that he doesn't do good things (he does) but he isn't willing to cater to the left because he knows to do that would be political suicide. To me, no matter the circumstances, ignoring the people who got you into office, is simply put, a sham.
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I agree with you Damon. I generally don't have much belief that any politician is going to be able to change things. The fact that Obama got in makes me fairly happy, he isn't going to be perfect, he's going to put cold pragmatism above his values, but is there anything better we can realistically get from America?
Brian, surely the current economic crisis is a result of the market being less and less regulated. How can anyone say the free market is a good thing anymore? Markets might be good at creating growth, but they're also volatile and destructive. The current recession is further proof of this. Perhaps a rethink is in order?
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Welcome to the forums! Hope you enjoy it here and learn new things like i do!
Free market idea don't work. The whole "trickle down" theory doesn't work either. I'm tired of both the left and right when the repeat the same tired Capitalist slogan of free market. Eight years of Bush, let alone eight years of Clinton, have proved that free market systems, and the unfair distribution of wealth don't add up to a profitable economy. Free market is a slow decaying idea, and Capitalism survives on the suffering of the few. When will people learn? Obama will NOT change any of this very deterimental factors of American society.
And I suggest this to you likeminded folks: Why settle for less? Why must medocrity be the new pragmatism?
Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything new to this. I love the Greens, but how much change have they really caused in this country? While you work towards the world as how you think it should be you do still have to deal with the world as it exists now. You take what you can get while not forgetting where you want to end up eventually. I think that's the way it has always been.
"I am that I am." - Proof that the writers of the bible were beyond stoned.
You're absolutely right. I can't speak too highly of the Green party considering they are just a bunch of dreamers. But we can argue that dreamers are the ones who bring vast change, right? Martin Luther King Jr challenged the status quo and forced LBJ to push the civil rights act. I think it is better off to stick to ideals rather than settle for something less. That's just my opinion. But you are right, it's always been like that. Maybe I'm just too much of a dreamer?
Who is talking about "trickle down". I am tired of the rich demanding economic anarchy. I am talking about personal responsibility. I am talking about if the rich don't want a microscope up their ass then they need to do the right thing, otherwise when Uncle Sam crawls up their ass, they shouldn't bitch.
Jaded people seem to forget that they got there because the people below them put them there.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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It's all good. Just try not to be too hard on those of us who haven't found ways to avoid selling out at least a bit over the years!
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Brian, I don't think I've ever thanked you for your avatar. Hearing what you write in that voice is just lovely. Thanks!
"I am that I am." - Proof that the writers of the bible were beyond stoned.