Indisputable experiences??? I've watched the episode, nothing they have no evidence any of that occured.  They just have stories.

How should i explain this...

IF such supernatural things as ghosts... or spirits... the undead, what have you... IF any such thing existed, you can bet that my life would be devoted to its research and subsequent abuse of the knowledge gained. Sadly, such things do not exist... (i really... really wanted to be a necromancer as a child    )

Never take the word of some one who stands to profit directly from you believing in their word... unless its Doomy's word, because thats golden...

Ok, lets go completely batshit insane here for awhile.

Lets say Ghosts. Spirits, and the undead exist.

Now, lets reverse engineer from that point.

Is there any energy to be had in these creatures?

Is there a process for their appeance?

Is there a purpose to their existence?

Can such beings be detected with anything other than the naked eye?

Is there any observable force associated with these beings?

If no, then they dont fucking exist

If yes, Doomy is becoming a necromancer, tonight, god damn it!

I would love for such things to exist... because it would make all my dark, deluded fantasies possible... BUT they dont, no one can prove that they do, and i dont lose any sleep over it -_-

fine... you know what, we'll settle this in a proper manner

Internet Rule #34

Generally accepted internet rule that states that pornography or sexually related material exists for any conceivable subject

I submit that, if ghosts exist, there HAS to be ghost porn somewhere on the internet, go find us the proof

 (edit before i pwn myself.... anime/manga/hentai do not count.... w00t, saved... )

<-- Classic example

Few people here "dismiss the supernatural out of hand." We just want evidence.

If the validity of a claim was based solely on how many people had intense experiences that are relevant to the claim, then certainly, God would be at the top of the list.

Most people don't make these things up out of boredom; that much is obvious. They reach these conclusions because they want to, to explain things that they can't otherwise explain and to satisfy instincts that they don't know how to satisfy. Sure, some pseudo-scientific/conspiracy/etc. claims might have some validity, but unless there is concrete evidence, all one can do is refer to subjective anecdotes and make ad populum arguments, which, coincidentally, is what you're doing right now.  

For example? Such as?

The Doomed Soul really does have it right,

A lot of atheists love sci fi, fantasy and general spookiness.

I want to be a vampire, I want to meet aliens and go around in flying saucers. I want to be the anti-christ and have lots of cool demonic powers, hey I even want to be good looking.

Alas none of this is real or has any evidence that it could be real.

If it was well then I would be your first undead poster

OK, some background:

I grew up with EXTREME fundamentalist christian parents who would spend hours with friends talking about their former dabbling or either serious involvement in the "occult": organized groups a la OTO seitans, "sorcery," etc.

These tales scared the 'hell' out of me as a kid and to this day, I get creeped out & easily horrified.

Since then I have had trustworthy friends describe similar experiences. I mean non-Christians, new agers, wiccans, etc--not media/Internet.
 
So, guess that's where I'm stuck. Can't get past the early years brainwashing coupled with friends, plus media/Internet reinforcement.

No it would not work... primarily because YOU wouldnt be UNDEAD...

That... and depending on how time travel works...

1. You created a time paradox that destroy's existence

2. You created a time paradox that "self corrects" you out of existence (ala Legacy of Kain/ SoulReaver)

3. You created a time paradox that does nothing, and only continuously loops in regards to yourself

4. You created a time paradox that creates an alternate universe but destroys the one you came from

(probably other possibilities... but ergo, your still not Undead)

here you go doomy.  Now you owe me an undead housekeeper.

Welcome to the RRS Liam.  You're right on.  I've seen the History Channel put on programs that seriously examine the bible and try to present it as fact even to the point of tweaking history.  These are being shown on television/cable and these companies are in the entertaimnent business. 

Dassercha, when we are kids our world view is reflective of our parents world view.  We depend on them to teach us and generally accept whatever we are told.  I remember being scared shitless of things that go bump in the night, even after deciding god didn't exist at the tender young age of about 11.  My mind was primed with all kinds of nonsense, most of it gleaned from television and movies.  Until I started getting more interested in the sciences and started reading books with fact instead of fiction I only had that crap to draw on.  In spite of not believing in an invisible friend in the sky I still kinda sorta thought werewolves and vampires might still exist because they were portrayed as having been humans at one time. 

The people who describe supernatural happenings might actually believe it because they know so little about the natural world around them.  Others don't want to be left out of the group and simply make shit up.  Just because someone says it happened does not mean it did.  Look at the famous face on the surface of Mars.    Light and shadow is all that is.  Part of being a skeptic is requiring proof for extraordinary claims of the super and not so supernatural.  Photos can be affected by a myriad of things: the age of the film used, the paper it is printed on, lighting, reflections, alterations, etc.

I can't think of any of these claims that cannot be refuted in one way or another.

It is bullshit. If I truely believe that I am Napolean, would you believe me? Or, would you think that I am self deluded?

"I saw it on TV so therefore it must be real"........"An idiot's guide to logic".

Camera's can be manipulated and humans can sell lies and delude themselves into thinking they are not. In this case, the producers of the show and the networks DONT CARE about using or manipulating gullible people to sell add time.

You want to convince me ghosts exist? Ok, get someone to volunteer in a science lab, to have their brains blown out with a shotgun, then have their "spirit" subject itself to an interview and DNA test with independent media, and scientists unrelated.

Otherwise I think it is best for you to stop being so gullible and realize that these people are either self deluded and are being used by the network to make money, OR they don't care and will sell you this crap because they want the fame and attention.

Emotions can be faked and camera's can be manipulated, and people are capable of believing false things and deluding themselves to the point of making crap up because they want something to be real, even if it isn't.

NO serious science journal or association would give crap like this the time of day.

Beings with no physical brains ARE PURE FANTASY!

If I really thought I saw a ghost. I wouldn't think it was real.

I would think that my concious and subconcious were mixing.

Or I was on drugs

Or I was becoming mentally ill.

Or someone was pulling an elaborate scam on me.

Those are rational explinations.

What is stupid and pure fantacy is to think that thought can exist outside the physical brain after death.

Now, now...

You know damned well that rule #34 does not guarantee gigity. If you want, I can do a photochop with miss September but in order to make it ghostly, she will be so out of focus that you don't get any giggity despite the hotness.

Also, a cat is fine too...

Well, it is kind of like learning to ride a bicycle. At first it may seem impossible, especially when your older brother kicks your training wheels up. But one day a big black dog will bark and run down the street in your general direction and you will get it. After that, you will do fine...