I knew it was coming... but still... I don't think I have any more faith in rationality

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I knew it was coming... but still... I don't think I have any more faith in rationality

I'm beginning to think the theists are right.  There is no reason to believe that humans have the capacity for rational thought.  I've been going on faith the whole time, and didn't know it.


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Hamby... if you ever wanna

Hamby... if you ever wanna Kill All Humans, im here for ya, bro!


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I'm beginning to think the theists are right.  There is no reason to believe that humans have the capacity for rational thought.

 

...That is the worst one of these I've ever seen. I mean, at least the burnt images of 'Jesus' on toast kinda-sorta do resemble a face. But this is just a brown blob of discoloration. It doesn't look like anything.

Frankly, I think the family is being perfectly rational. Michael Jackson is dead, and hey, it's time to cash in on that shit. $$$

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So it isn't the spirit of

So it isn't the spirit of Ghengis Khan telling us to thin the herd?

 

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 Quote:But this is just a

 

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But this is just a brown blob of discoloration. It doesn't look like anything.

Other than the color brown, this sounds like a good description of the late MJ

 

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 Quote:Other than the color

 

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Other than the color brown, this sounds like a good description of the late MJ

Nothing stings quite as hard as the truth.

 

Still, I feel a little bit bad now every time I laugh at an MJ joke. Did you hear his (obviously adopted) daughter on TV? Whatever his insecurities & faults, I think one can now safely concede that he was probably an awfully caring parent (and, hey, even responsible enough not to breed himself. How about that). 

 

 

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"Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

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Hamby... if you ever wanna Kill All Humans, im here for ya, bro!

Aren't you guys forgetting something?

 

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 Quote:Aren't you guys

 

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Aren't you guys forgetting something?

...Like the fact that Destroy All Humans was a horrendously bad game?

 

Or were you thinking of something else? Sticking out tongue

 

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"Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

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I had to smile when one of

I had to smile when one of the ladies was asked "why michael and not Jesus" she replied that to some michael meant more to some then jesus and she felt they were about even, both 'icons'.

I would love to jump ahead 500-1000 years and see if accounts of Michael Jackson become biblical...  Smiling

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Hamby... if you ever wanna Kill All Humans, im here for ya, bro!

Aren't you guys forgetting something?

 

 

... no?

 

Self, check

Bloodthirst, check

Evil God to use as an excuse for my ill deeds, check

 

no, i think im all set

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Hambydammit wrote: I'm

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I'm beginning to think the theists are right.  There is no reason to believe that humans have the capacity for rational thought.  I've been going on faith the whole time, and didn't know it.

 

don't worry, you'll come around soon and fully realize that there is completly no hope.

 

 

 


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Hambydammit wrote:

I'm beginning to think the theists are right.  There is no reason to believe that humans have the capacity for rational thought.  I've been going on faith the whole time, and didn't know it.

 

don't worry, you'll come around soon and fully realize that there is completly no hope.

 

 

 

 

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Doomed.           

Doomed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we are doomed.


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Why wasn't MJ's

Why wasn't MJ's ghost dancing or doing the moonwalk?


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The Doomed Soul wrote:EXC

The Doomed Soul wrote:

EXC wrote:

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Hamby... if you ever wanna Kill All Humans, im here for ya, bro!

Aren't you guys forgetting something?

 

 

... no?

 

Self, check

Bloodthirst, check

Evil God to use as an excuse for my ill deeds, check

 

no, i think im all set

What's the plan for after you wipe all the 6 billion humans? Just you and Hamby, then one of you realizes 'hey he's human too.' Wiping out all of humanity is best done all alone. That's why God doesn't need a partner.

 

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 :54.Expect mass burnings

 :54.

Expect mass burnings of all Michael records and memorabilia.

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EXC wrote:Just you and

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Just you and Hamby, then one of you realizes 'hey he's human too.' 

 

... compare me with the average human (let alone the average american) and it would appear that i am far enough removed from the human genome, to be considered a different species

 

Dunno bout Hamby, but im safe from my own plan

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Hambydammit wrote:

I'm beginning to think the theists are right.  There is no reason to believe that humans have the capacity for rational thought.  I've been going on faith the whole time, and didn't know it.

don't worry, you'll come around soon and fully realize that there is completly no hope.

 

What's with the hackneyed nihilism? Of course there's hope. Hope improves mental performance in unfortunate circumstances. Not having hope just means you're depressed, not that you've figured something out.

Yeah, I know you were making a funny. The "no hope" line is just getting old, that's all.

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 Heh.  The funny thing,

 Heh.  The funny thing, Will, is that I officially have no hope for humanity.  I think I've crossed over the threshold and am as close to 100% certain as possible that humanity is going to destroy its own environment and drive itself extinct.

Of course, that's not what the thread is about, so that's really not relevant, but I do think it's funny that you're right -- the "no hope" thing is old, and it didn't apply to this topic... but... I really don't have any hope.

 

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Hambydammit wrote:I'm

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I'm beginning to think the theists are right.  There is no reason to believe that humans have the capacity for rational thought.  I've been going on faith the whole time, and didn't know it.

So we are now discussing time travel.

It is my assertion that all of the paradoxes that have come up in stories, while they may make for a good tale, are really only literary devices. Further, I assert that it is not possible to do things that create a problem with time travel.

For example, the classic is if you were to kill your grandfather before he married your grandmother, would you have never been born and therefore you cant have gone back in time to kill him?

The first problem with this is the assumption that prior to the modern era, nobody ever fucked before they got married. The reality of the matter is that teenagers fuck.

Now, a hundred years ago, if a chick missed her period, that meant that they had to get married. Preferably in less than nine months but if that was not possible, then polite society would retreat behind a maxim that “first children are often premature”.

The second problem being that there is more adultery going on than most people care to admit. If adultery was something that was quite rare, then the number of babies who were not the children of the nominative father would also be rare.

As it happens, we know from the public records of divorce cases that when the man alleges adultery and gets a court ordered paternity test that about 1:5 children are not fathered by the husband of the wife.

So what can we conclude from the above?

Well, let's say that you did go back and kill gramps. Whoppee!!!1!1! You killed some dude. However, if you did do that, then you could not have caused a paradox because you did the deed.

Since it is certainly possible that you did not kill the right person or f you did get the right guy, you were late for the job, then there is sufficient room for the reason why this so called paradox is not really a problem.

So we are now discussing time travel.

It is my assertion that all of the paradoxes that have come up in stories, while they may make for a good tale, are really only literary devices. Further, I assert that it is not possible to do things that create a problem with time travel.

For example, the classic is if you were to kill your grandfather before he married your grandmother, would you have never been born and therefore you cant have gone back in time to kill him?

The first problem with this is the assumption that prior to the modern era, nobody ever fucked before they got married. The reality of the matter is that teenagers fuck.

Now, a hundred years ago, if a chick missed her period, that meant that they had to get married. Preferably in less than nine months but if that was not possible, then polite society would retreat behind a maxim that “first children are often premature”.

The second problem being that there is more adultery going on than most people care to admit. If adultery was something that was quite rare, then the number of babies who were not the children of the nominative father would also be rare.

As it happens, we know from the public records of divorce cases that when the man alleges adultery and gets a court ordered paternity test that about 1:5 children are not fathered by the husband of the wife.

So what can we conclude from the above?

Well, let's say that you did go back and kill gramps. Whoppee!!!1!1! You killed some dude. However, if you did do that, then you could not have caused a paradox because you did the deed.

Since it is certainly possible that you did not kill the right person or f you did get the right guy, you were late for the job, then there is sufficient room for the reason why this so called paradox is not really a problem.

So we are now discussing time travel.

It is my assertion that all of the paradoxes that have come up in stories, while they may make for a good tale, are really only literary devices. Further, I assert that it is not possible to do things that create a problem with time travel.

For example, the classic is if you were to kill your grandfather before he married your grandmother, would you have never been born and therefore you cant have gone back in time to kill him?

The first problem with this is the assumption that prior to the modern era, nobody ever fucked before they got married. The reality of the matter is that teenagers fuck.

Now, a hundred years ago, if a chick missed her period, that meant that they had to get married. Preferably in less than nine months but if that was not possible, then polite society would retreat behind a maxim that “first children are often premature”.

The second problem being that there is more adultery going on than most people care to admit. If adultery was something that was quite rare, then the number of babies who were not the children of the nominative father would also be rare.

As it happens, we know from the public records of divorce cases that when the man alleges adultery and gets a court ordered paternity test that about 1:5 children are not fathered by the husband of the wife.

So what can we conclude from the above?

Well, let's say that you did go back and kill gramps. Whoppee!!!1!1! You killed some dude. However, if you did do that, then you could not have caused a paradox because you did the deed.

Since it is certainly possible that you did not kill the right person or f you did get the right guy, you were late for the job, then there is sufficient room for the reason why this so called paradox is not really a problem.


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So we are now discussing

So we are now discussing time travel.

It is my assertion that all of the paradoxes that have come up in stories, while they may make for a good tale, are really only literary devices. Further, I assert that it is not possible to do things that create a problem with time travel.

For example, the classic is if you were to kill your grandfather before he married your grandmother, would you have never been born and therefore you cant have gone back in time to kill him?

The first problem with this is the assumption that prior to the modern era, nobody ever fucked before they got married. The reality of the matter is that teenagers fuck.

Now, a hundred years ago, if a chick missed her period, that meant that they had to get married. Preferably in less than nine months but if that was not possible, then polite society would retreat behind a maxim that “first children are often premature”.

The second problem being that there is more adultery going on than most people care to admit. If adultery was something that was quite rare, then the number of babies who were not the children of the nominative father would also be rare.

As it happens, we know from the public records of divorce cases that when the man alleges adultery and gets a court ordered paternity test that about 1:5 children are not fathered by the husband of the wife.

So what can we conclude from the above?

Well, let's say that you did go back and kill gramps. Whoppee!!!1!1! You killed some dude. However, if you did do that, then you could not have caused a paradox because you did the deed.

Since it is certainly possible that you did not kill the right person or f you did get the right guy, you were late for the job, then there is sufficient room for the reason why this so called paradox is not really a problem.

So we are now discussing time travel.

It is my assertion that all of the paradoxes that have come up in stories, while they may make for a good tale, are really only literary devices. Further, I assert that it is not possible to do things that create a problem with time travel.

For example, the classic is if you were to kill your grandfather before he married your grandmother, would you have never been born and therefore you cant have gone back in time to kill him?

The first problem with this is the assumption that prior to the modern era, nobody ever fucked before they got married. The reality of the matter is that teenagers fuck.

Now, a hundred years ago, if a chick missed her period, that meant that they had to get married. Preferably in less than nine months but if that was not possible, then polite society would retreat behind a maxim that “first children are often premature”.

The second problem being that there is more adultery going on than most people care to admit. If adultery was something that was quite rare, then the number of babies who were not the children of the nominative father would also be rare.

As it happens, we know from the public records of divorce cases that when the man alleges adultery and gets a court ordered paternity test that about 1:5 children are not fathered by the husband of the wife.

So what can we conclude from the above?

Well, let's say that you did go back and kill gramps. Whoppee!!!1!1! You killed some dude. However, if you did do that, then you could not have caused a paradox because you did the deed.

Since it is certainly possible that you did not kill the right person or f you did get the right guy, you were late for the job, then there is sufficient room for the reason why this so called paradox is not really a problem.

So we are now discussing time travel.

It is my assertion that all of the paradoxes that have come up in stories, while they may make for a good tale, are really only literary devices. Further, I assert that it is not possible to do things that create a problem with time travel.

For example, the classic is if you were to kill your grandfather before he married your grandmother, would you have never been born and therefore you cant have gone back in time to kill him?

The first problem with this is the assumption that prior to the modern era, nobody ever fucked before they got married. The reality of the matter is that teenagers fuck.

Now, a hundred years ago, if a chick missed her period, that meant that they had to get married. Preferably in less than nine months but if that was not possible, then polite society would retreat behind a maxim that “first children are often premature”.

The second problem being that there is more adultery going on than most people care to admit. If adultery was something that was quite rare, then the number of babies who were not the children of the nominative father would also be rare.

As it happens, we know from the public records of divorce cases that when the man alleges adultery and gets a court ordered paternity test that about 1:5 children are not fathered by the husband of the wife.

So what can we conclude from the above?

Well, let's say that you did go back and kill gramps. Whoppee!!!1!1! You killed some dude. However, if you did do that, then you could not have caused a paradox because you did the deed.

Since it is certainly possible that you did not kill the right person or f you did get the right guy, you were late for the job, then there is sufficient room for the reason why this so called paradox is not really a problem.


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I could be wrong, but I think they call that a shadow...


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Hambydammit wrote: Heh.

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 Heh.  The funny thing, Will, is that I officially have no hope for humanity.  I think I've crossed over the threshold and am as close to 100% certain as possible that humanity is going to destroy its own environment and drive itself extinct.

Of course, that's not what the thread is about, so that's really not relevant, but I do think it's funny that you're right -- the "no hope" thing is old, and it didn't apply to this topic... but... I really don't have any hope.

Hope is overrated anyway. I've set my standards for humanity pretty low. Softens the blow when it disappoints you.

Just for the record, I think the possibility of humanity killing itself is very real and likely. It is my opinion that our knowledge vastly exceeds our wisdom.

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Hambydammit wrote: Heh.

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 Heh.  The funny thing, Will, is that I officially have no hope for humanity.  I think I've crossed over the threshold and am as close to 100% certain as possible that humanity is going to destroy its own environment and drive itself extinct.

But "hope for humanity" is just dumb. That's like having hope for any population of biological creatures. Every biological creature eats everything in its path until it's forced to decline. What would hope have to do with that? How would that help at all? I'm talking about hope for individuals, not for a population. More specifically, let's say you.

You have plenty of hope. Your restaurant makes tasty food, and it's getting recognized, you have a place to vent your frustrations non-violently, and you're a hit with the ladies. So don't give me that no hope business.

The whole of humanity? C'mon, let's not be silly. Any group that involves people called "middle management" is going to take an IQ hit of about 75 points, and that's a big chunk of the world. But fuck them. They're like cannon fodder. Moderately sociopathic cannon fodder. Do you really want to give a shit about those people? Personally, unlike many of my contemporaries, I don't have a lot of love to give. In fact, I'm tapped out on the people who are really excellent, and if I have to defend myself against the sub-excellent, so be it. But don't think I'm going expend any of my hope on them. I save my hope for the people I love.

Sure, I give to charity, but let's face it: it's a Hail Mary pass. You can't save everybody, and especially not from themselves.

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Of course, that's not what the thread is about, so that's really not relevant, but I do think it's funny that you're right -- the "no hope" thing is old, and it didn't apply to this topic... but... I really don't have any hope.

Oh, bullshit. If I have to fly down there and feed you the cornbread I made following your instructions, I will. It's fucking delicious. I'll feed it to you, and then you'll hope I brought more. That's hope. Not this insane idea that a biological population will behave in some other way than biological populations always behave.

Yeah, it's lonely knowing what's going on when most people don't, but this way you don't have to be a vacuous slob. Why pin your hopes on them?

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Am i the only one that doesn't see it?


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Hambydammit wrote: You, Me,

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 You, Me, and Bender... on a mission from God.


I haven't yet decided whether or not to issue that command. Your patience has been noted.

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