How is the Pope any different than the Taliban?
Offline I just cought the clip of Obama and Michele visiting the Vatican. She was dressed in all black and a head dress which was considered "tradition".
WHAT THE FUCK!
Is he afriad if she wore what she wanted he would get a boner?
Watching her "submit" to their stupid traditions was as vile as when Hillary as secetary of state had to "cover up" for the middle east?
This penis asshat thinks is superstitions are any different?
If I were Michele I'd tell that symbolic flesh eater to fly a kite!
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Offline Brian37 wrote:No, she wasn't forced to, but she wouldn't have gotten in to see the Pope if she had worn what she wanted.
False, plenty of women have seen the pope, without wearing the "traditional" outfit.
Quote:I don't like it when the Pope demands such stupid crap. I don't like it when the Amish do it, and I don't like when Muslims do it. FUCK MEN! Women shouldn't coddle such an oppressive "tradition". All of those traditions throughout history come from MALE INSECURITY!Yea? When the Shah of Iran was in power, he would have police officers rip the veil off of woman's faces, penalize men if they had a beard. He wanted his people to look more "westernized". After the fall of the Shah many Arab woman voluntarily choose to wore those once banned garbs, as to a means of defying the imposing of western values on them.
Many newly converted black Muslim women in my neighborhood wear the full traditional Muslim outfit, and they wear it not because their husbands forced them too, many of them are not even married, but as a way of taking a stand, against their culture which claims that a woman should be defined by her sexuality, by how much skin she shows. She's defying a culture that wants to see her a merely as sexual object.
You're behaving with the same sort of bigotry you came to be opposing, you want to see these garbs in your own way, and feel the need to impose those values on them, when in fact your perception of them is not shared by Michelle Obama, or others. And as I said before the pope does not deny women his presence because they don't wear the traditional outfit.
Woman can choose to wear what they want, regardless of how you perceive their outfits to be. You may find them to be articles of male subjugation, others may find it to a defying of western subjugation, and others may just wear it out of respect, or tradition, just like we wear suits, instead of t-shirts at weddings.
Again, so what? Unless it becomes voluntary world wide, any woman "voluntaraly" wearing it, is saying to REAL people who REALLY do subjugate women, "It's ok to subjugate women."
Again, "covering" by the woman was born out of a oppressive monotheism that saw women as property.
A Cleric's penis is not going to magically fall off if he sees a woman in a bikini. The Pope wont die from a heart attact if Michelle had shown up in a pants suit. MEN, need to get over this stupid and oppressive "tradition". PERIOD!
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It's hard to make progress towards rational thinking as a society when leaders are pandering to theists. It's disheartening.
The extent of the pandering is in line with the brown-nosing/arse kissing that was exhibited during the recent ME tour. Nauseating and uncalled for.
Worst President since Dhimmi Carter.
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It's simple, really: the Pope wears the pointy hat.
Just trying to be of service, Brian.
Conor
He has better PR. Gets laid less often unless you count alter boys.
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Uhm, you have a roman catholic population of over a billion people, 70 million in your own country, you better be pandering. Who else would you be pandering to, the .05% of atheist in this country? The .00001% of humanist?
And hence, why people are adverse to voting in an atheist as president.
So you think it is OK for any man to tell a woman what they can or cannot wear? So it is ok when Catholics tell women what to wear, but when Muslims do it, it is wrong?
Why? Because we think women should wear what they want? Because we don't think women are second class? Because we think it is STUPID for any man to any women of any religion they have to dress a certain way because of the male's own insecurities?
Fuck the Pope. He is a human being just like me. He is not special to the species or the cosmos. He will die, just like I will, and he is not special because he is a man. A penis doesn't make you better.
Wearing a Pope hat is just as superstitious and silly as a baseball player's "lucky socks" and making women wear certain clothing is just as superstitious and arbitrary.
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First of all the Pope didn't tell her what to wear, anymore so than someone tells me not to wear a wife beater when I go to church. Wearing the "traditional" outfit is not the equivalent of an enforced dress code. Of course morons who have never really been in many social setting don't understand the difference.
Oscar Da La Renta and other scolded her for wearing a cardigan on visiting the Queen of England. My girlfriend criticized me for daring to wear a polo to a nice a restaurant instead of a button down shirt. And who would dare wear shorts to a job interview?
No "man" told her anything, anymore than some "man" told obama he should wear a suit and not a swim suit when visiting the pope. Here's pic of Nancy Pelosi, and Condelezza Rice meeting the pope, do you see them dressing as Michelle did? How about the French presidents wife?
I might as well accuse you of being a man demanding her not to wear something, telling her she can't wear the "traditional" outfit.
So the reason why we don't go into a job interview in flip flops is superstitious? The reason why PZ Meyers doesn't teach shirtless in an a thong is because it's superstitious?
No, she wasn't forced to, but she wouldn't have gotten in to see the Pope if she had worn what she wanted. And you don't have to wear that oppressive crap to be "formal". She could have worn a nice pants suit or skirt suit, or a nice black dress. Why should anyone care, much less the Pope if she looks nice? The head dress is not required by anyone but Pope, and CERTAINLY not required in reality.
Her dress, covering her head, comes from a "tradition" of male subjugation of women. No different than Muslim women wearing head covering. Some DO wear it, even in the west voluntarly. BUT, that does not change the "tradition" that it comes from. In BOTH cultures, it came from a time when the woman was held responsible for men's reactions to their sexuality.
I don't like it when the Pope demands such stupid crap. I don't like it when the Amish do it, and I don't like when Muslims do it. FUCK MEN! Women shouldn't coddle such an oppressive "tradition". All of those traditions throughout history come from MALE INSECURITY!
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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It has only been in the last 50 years that women in America have increasingly been seen as equal. There was a time when hospitle Nurses were women and were required to wear dress skirts. You go to most hospitles now and male and female nurses AND doctors wear the same color coded garb.
Even back at the turn of the century WOMAN's bathing suits were knee length with skirts and elbow long. Often very hot, and very heavy, and UNSAFE, in hot weather or wavy seas and could potentially tire out a girl or woman and cause her to die of heat stroke or drowned from the weight of the suit.
IT WAS WRONG when we in the west did it and it is wrong to tell any woman what to wear. Again FUCK THE POPE! This was not about being "formal", this was about coddling a stupid superstition based on male insecurity.
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I am insulted by the mere fact the the pope is even entitled to a visit.
If Michelle had worn a pants suit and tie whould the Pope's dick magically had fallen off? NO,! So the head covering is nothing but a relic of male insecurity.
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The founders railed against sucking up to pulpit politics. They believed that religion was of a personal matter. I was proud of my country when even conservitives when the Pope threatened to excomunicate any American politician from the Catholic church if they supported abortion, they said, as most did, "You don't live here mind your own business".
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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False, plenty of women have seen the pope, without wearing the "traditional" outfit.
Yea? When the Shah of Iran was in power, he would have police officers rip the veil off of woman's faces, penalize men if they had a beard. He wanted his people to look more "westernized". After the fall of the Shah many Arab woman voluntarily choose to wore those once banned garbs, as to a means of defying the imposing of western values on them.
Many newly converted black Muslim women in my neighborhood wear the full traditional Muslim outfit, and they wear it not because their husbands forced them too, many of them are not even married, but as a way of taking a stand, against their culture which claims that a woman should be defined by her sexuality, by how much skin she shows. She's defying a culture that wants to see her a merely as sexual object.
You're behaving with the same sort of bigotry you came to be opposing, you want to see these garbs in your own way, and feel the need to impose those values on them, when in fact your perception of them is not shared by Michelle Obama, or others. And as I said before the pope does not deny women his presence because they don't wear the traditional outfit.
Woman can choose to wear what they want, regardless of how you perceive their outfits to be. You may find them to be articles of male subjugation, others may find it to a defying of western subjugation, and others may just wear it out of respect, or tradition, just like we wear suits, instead of t-shirts at weddings.