Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC) – a game that should never be played.

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Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC) – a game that should never be played.

 

 

OK, this is a bit of a rant but even so, this is one of the oldest continuing MMOs on the planet and it is still throwing beta test errors. Here is the deal:

 

With my first character, I made a bunch of noob mistakes. That much is on me and I really am not surprised. However, I then made a new character with the intention of getting into the game properly.

 

So my second character made it about half an hour before getting stuck in a door. Whoopee! I drop out of the game and check the tech support page to see how to deal with this. Fortunately, they have a command /stuck to get unstuck. It does not work. Drop out of the game again and check the tech support site yet again. They have another command /appeal:stuck for getting the devs to unstick you. Twelve hours later, I am still stuck.

 

Fucking come on here. If this is such a problem that they have to provide that much support, then they need to change the game code to prevent that from happening. It would not be all that hard to do. Code monkeys will know what the following means:

 

on doorClose

do while system timer<2000

noClip=1

 

Seriously, it would work. It would prevent the devs from having to spend time unsticking people. It would keep paying players in the game. One simply cannot log into most MMOs without updating the code anyway. It is not hard to do. Fucking do it before the game is like eight years old.

 

So I deleted that character and started a new one. This time, I made it a mere ten minutes in the tutorial before I got a quest that had no completion condition. Seriously, the quest was simply to talk to an NPC. My first two characters got past that quest just fine but this one talked to like eight NPCs and never got an option to complete the quest.

 

I am done with this game. They never got a first payment and they are never going to get a payment from me.

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Lol iv given up on that

Lol iv given up on that entire genre as a lost  cause, however there are some decent free mmo's about. I certianly wouldn't pay for that game as you discribe it.

 

I "play" two games over the internet now a days, bushtarion and galaxy online. Both filled with problems but as i chose to play for free on both I can accept them. Bushtarion is a gem though dispite its problems, its a text based game but very well done. but requires huge activity if you want to get anywhere near the top 100 though. Galaxy online well the developers hate your guts and insist on making cool ideas boring as hell. Still over all quite fun if you are not worried about the problems.

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You know, I think that's the

You know, I think that's the one thing makes WoW actually do it for so many people:

Polish.

 

So few MMOs ever get polished, and as a result, things like what you describe happen. They would happen intermittently to me when I played City of Heroes/Villains, and it was so bad during the walking component of Auto Assault that the game was nearly unplayable.

 

So along comes WoW, and low and behold, most people can actually play it without having to deal with annoying bugs that get in the way oof what they're doing. Guild Wars was sort of similar, though also monumentally no fun to play. 

 

It's a shame, though, because DOAC apparently has a ton of content to offer if you're into the MMORPG bit. Great big 'ol monsters, castle sieges, apparently one of the best team voice-communication systems yet implemented, pretty good visuals... everything except assurances that you will actually be able to get to that content, I guess. Sticking out tongue

What MMORPGs have you had really good experiences with, Gene?

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Gene couldnt "Hearth" ,

Gene couldnt "Hearth" , teleport, be summoned, or commit suicide to get himself unstuck?

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOB!

the fact that you even waited for a GM proves it

Bad Gene! Bad!

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 that game is old as your

 that game is old as your mom dude.


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Yes, it is an old game.

Yes, it is an old game. You win either a medal or a chest to pin one on, you choose.

 

This is kind of my point, this fucking waste of binary logic is still throwing errors that should not get past a closed beta test. Seriously, I would love to meet one of the devs for this piece of crap. I would put a sword in the ground pointy end up an tell him to fall on it. However, that would not be primarily to see if he can so much as to determine if he is well grounded in the concept that “down” is the direction that the planet is in.

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Yah doomed, I have no

Yah doomed, I have no idea about any of that. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that that is all stuff that one can do if they get more than ten minutes into the fucking game.

 

Well, that is just not going to happen. Think about this for a second, if half life (1) had been that buggy, would the owners of Valve be stinking rich or an embarrassment to their parents? Has Sid Meyer ever released a game so poorly implemented that it was impossible to perform basic functions like zoning commercial property?

 

Seriously, I am running into programming issues that are permissible for a game that has not even moved into the beta test status just yet. They are not permissible for a game that the devs think people should lay out cash for. They are far less permissible for a game that has been generating cash for several years.

 

@Kevin:

 

I have never tried city of heroes/villians. Thanks for the warning. I now know to stay far away from it.

 

As far as what MMOs I have played, I used to own the sticky on an overclocking computer forum for Star Wars Galaxies. So yah, I know how games are supposed to work.

 

Other MMO games that I have experience with:

 

Silkroad online: Free to play. The only problem that I have had with this was that it has a pay-to-play option and the paid players can crowd the servers to the point where free players simply cannot get in game.

 

WOW: I made it all the way through the free two weeks but it just failed to be fun enough to pay for.

 

Guildwars: About the same as WOW except that the price to stay in the game is enough to make me come back over and over. I only have one nit on the programming. Don't actually join a guild unless you are going to be the guy who spends all of his time in the game and can play better than everyone else.

 

If you treat this as a game to be played solo apart from the occasional time that you get hooked up with someone else, you are good to go but permanent hookup is a formula for repeated suicide.

 

Mind you, there are no small number of other players who are willing to run you through stuff so that you can get to the top of the game. Then you can play in the big league. I would assume that there must have been at least one person who had all the fun of working up to that point but once that happened, nobody else is allowed to work up a character. Fuck you very much programmers.

 

Minor players who join a guild will be presented with the same difficulty level as the highest level player in the guild. So your level 5 character will go into an instance solo and die many times over because of the fact that outside of that, you have grouped with a level 20 player.

 

Anarchy Online: I never really got into this one. I found a city after a couple of hours but I never found a group to run with. I forget the exact details but I know that I set an LFG flag and spent a couple of days runing around in game to get no response at all.

 

I can't blame that one on the programmers. I can say that this game has a community that values advanced players. Let's call this Guild Wars in a sci-fi setting.

 

Eve Online: This one fucking works. It is very complicated and nobody can run you up to a high level. You simply must play the game. It has content that is useful to noobs. It has content that works for all players. There is only one server that everyone logs into and that has a whole galaxy modeled.

 

The tutorial takes at least a hour to go through and you must deal with it or you will never be anything at all. I could probably go on for hours about this game but I will stop here.

 

My real point to this whole thread is that DaoC is crap that ought to have not been allowed out in the wild.

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Anarchy Online: I never really got into this one. I found a city after a couple of hours but I never found a group to run with. I forget the exact details but I know that I set an LFG flag and spent a couple of days runing around in game to get no response at all.

 

 

No complaints about A.O being completely fubar?

 

... really? its one of the most fubar MMO's of all time! (and yet i still play it for some odd reason...)

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Ah well, I would not be

Ah well, I would not be able to tell you much about AO. I had it installed on my machine. I had it loaded into memory. I used my keyboard and mouse while the program was on the top of my OS.

 

I also never actually met another human being in the game.

 

What I can tell you about AO is that it is possible to get past the tuts without finding serious flaws in the programming. Can't say that about DAOC.

 

So if General Motors decided to make a new car and the wiring was so sloppy that you could not use the windshield wipers at the same time as the turn signal, this would be a problem. I suppose that you could work around it by only driving in straight lines when it rains but that does not seem to be much of a solution. If you want to make turns during a storm, buy a different car.

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So if General Motors decided to make a new car and the wiring was so sloppy that you could not use the windshield wipers at the same time as the turn signal, this would be a problem. I suppose that you could work around it by only driving in straight lines when it rains but that does not seem to be much of a solution. If you want to make turns during a storm, buy a different car.

 

 

Why does this sound familiar...

 

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 Quote:Eve Online: This one

 

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Eve Online: This one fucking works. It is very complicated and nobody can run you up to a high level. You simply must play the game. It has content that is useful to noobs. It has content that works for all players. There is only one server that everyone logs into and that has a whole galaxy modeled.

 

The tutorial takes at least a hour to go through and you must deal with it or you will never be anything at all. I could probably go on for hours about this game but I will stop here.

How to play Eve Online:

 

1) Set-up your ore mining macro or bot.

2) Go play Xbox360 for a few weeks while you get the cash to buy good stuff.  

 

I know, I hear that it gets really cool and epic once you actually get a half-decent ship, but the means of progression is just such a dealbreaker. I mean, laser mining asteroids? They couldn't think of a slightly more entertaining way for players to earn $$$? 

(...I suppose I should add that it's been... what? 3-4 years since I last tried playing Eve? So maybe they addressed that issue?)

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So if General Motors decided to make a new car and the wiring was so sloppy that you could not use the windshield wipers at the same time as the turn signal, this would be a problem. I suppose that you could work around it by only driving in straight lines when it rains but that does not seem to be much of a solution. If you want to make turns during a storm, buy a different car.

Best response to someone who says, "...Ah, it's not that bad. Besides, there's 'X' workaround..." ever. Oh man, that's hilarious.

 

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Since the topic has shifted

Since the topic has shifted to MMO's in general, Runescape deserves a mention. It's shit compared to what it used to be, and it is flash, but it's got gamecube/wii graphics, can be fun, and I'd still play it over WOW any day.

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