Accusations of Racism? Nah... Nothing to it...
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Offline I don't think it's racism is first anymore. The Republican party has a black chairman, we don't conservatives quitting the party over this.
Actually, yes there is. A huge number of the conservatives have jumped ship to be "independents". The people registered Republican is incredibly small right now.
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Offline Anyway, I thought EXC wasn't a conservative, he's like mish-mash of stuff. Aren't you, EXC? You said something like that before.
I pretty much only believe things with evidence. I don't believe in fairy tales like extreme wealth redistribution can be economically sustained. So to people that believe whatever political propaganga, it seems like mish-mash.
But you believe a mish-mash as well. On the one hand you believe the leftist propaganda that private insurance companies make massive amounts of easy money selling policies and then denying coverage. Yet you don't come to America and become a multi-billionaire by selling insurance. Why? You have cognitive dissonance, when it comes down to it, you don't really believe this leftist propaganda.
But it's like your religion so you must go along with it. I'll believe that you actually believe when I see you starting a health insurance company. Why is it up to government to solve the health insurance problem, why can't you do it and get rich in the process?
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Offline HisWillness wrote:Anyway, I thought EXC wasn't a conservative, he's like mish-mash of stuff. Aren't you, EXC? You said something like that before.
I pretty much only believe things with evidence. I don't believe in fairy tales like extreme wealth redistribution can be economically sustained. So to people that believe whatever political propaganga, it seems like mish-mash.
But you believe a mish-mash as well. On the one hand you believe the leftist propaganda that private insurance companies make massive amounts of easy money selling policies and then denying coverage. Yet you don't come to America and become a multi-billionaire by selling insurance. Why? You have cognitive dissonance, when it comes down to it, you don't really believe this leftist propaganda.
But it's like your religion so you must go along with it. I'll believe that you actually believe when I see you starting a health insurance company. Why is it up to government to solve the health insurance problem, why can't you do it and get rich in the process?
EXC, hasn't this been explained to you before? At least several times...I take it you don't understand business, or investing that well.
The startup costs are insanely high for this kind of business. It is comparable to starting up an automotive company. You won't be able to find people to invest in it, because it is too expensive and too risky, especially when you would be at the whims of already existing companies that dominate 80% or more of their markets. It just isn't something plausible, short of government intervention to break up the stranglehold the insurance companies have within their states.
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EXC, don't those signs look suspiciously racist?I never said they weren't racist. The problem you have in saying their agenda is racist is that they don't attack black conservatives. Same as leftist that call anyone that opposes government run health care "racist". In fact the left attacks black conservatives as "not really being black".
I just want you to understand the real motive behind it all. People that can't formulate a logical argument play the race card on both the left and right.
For shits and giggles,
Call a spade a spade. There is racism directed at Obama. You're not really going to deny it, are you and merely call pointing it out 'ridiculous' and a 'sign that they [the left] can't win their arguments' are you?
Just to be clear, there is racism directed at Obama, right? And that's not cool, right?
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I was reading about this in the Globe. It's interesting to read of Jimmy Carter bringing it up and then read a professor at McGill (I believe), tell us that the accusations are unfounded. There is racism. How much? Anyone's guess. I don't believe it can be quantified in terms of population. The majority is probably more nuanced than Hamby's blatant examples. I'm not, American, though.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Racism is almost always nuanced these days. The first (and most ironic) problem with identifying racism is that it can only happen between races.
For instance, George W Bush was often portrayed as a monkey, but it wasn't racism because white people were drawing the cartoons. Racism was not an option. Bush's monkey-toons were meant to call attention to what was perceived as his rather primitive intellect. White people have never been portrayed as monkeys to degrade them as "less than human." Black people have almost constantly been portrayed as monkeys since the first slave ships hit America soil, and it was precisely because they were seen as less than human.
So the same act has two very different meanings. Whether the author of a specific Obama-Monkey is a racist or not is unfortunately not an issue. Both blacks and whites in America are culturally aware of the Black-Monkey connection and its racist significance. An Obama-Monkey is racist.
I'm sure EXC will jump into this conversation at some point, and though I won't agree with him, he'll be on the right track. Racism is evolutionary. We have genetic predispositions towards our close relatives, and before world travel, whites and blacks simply didn't occupy the same space. So, if you're white and that guy over there is black, he's not your relative, nor is he part of your tribe. He's an outsider.
Racism is also very subtle. When the cashier at a convenience store stiffens slightly when a group of young black men in "urban apparel" walk in, is he doing that because they're black or because most robberies in his area are committed by blacks? What's the real difference between those two reasons? They're both essentially "Because they're black." I suppose if we want to get really technical, it would only be racist if the clerk would not react exactly the same if white people committed almost all robberies, and it was a group of white men. But... how could we possibly know?
So, we do what we can. We guess racism when someone reacts in a way that seems over-the-top, and the object of their displeasure happens to be another color.
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I don't think it's racism is first anymore. The Republican party has a black chairman, we don't conservatives quitting the party over this. Rush Limbaugh goes out of his way to put on black conservatives, we don't see conservatives boycotting him over this. The racism that there is comes after they don't like your politics. So maybe that's progress that politics now trumps race.
But it is ridiculous the accusations of racism by people on the left. Just a sign that they can't win their arguments with logic.
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But Bush actually looked like a monkey. It wasn't a stretch. With Obama, the comparison isn't visually apt, so you know someone's making a different reference.
Come to think of it, I get funny any time I see people in "urban apparel", and it seems popular with a whole range of skin pigmentations in Toronto. Except I'm basically thinking "loser." It's not really the same as in the states, where "ghetto" seems to mean "the place where black people live" instead of "poor area".
Chris Rock may have had a point when he said that despite the number of white dentists living in his neighbourhood, in order for a black dentist to live there, he would have to invent teeth.
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EXC, don't those signs look suspiciously racist? Were you even going to make an argument at all? Or was your only point to let us know that pointing out the racism there is a sign that the 'left' can't win arguments with logic? Where's yours?
Call a spade a spade. There is racism directed at Obama. You're not really going to deny it, are you and merely call pointing it out 'ridiculous' and a 'sign that they [the left] can't win their arguments' are you?
I'm not sure anyone is even trying to say that there aren't genuine concerns with Obama's health care reforms by pointing out the racism. Is it politically motivated to draw attention from that? Perhaps. The racism has, after all, always been there. Has the Conservative party ever tried to draw attention from something by a similar tactic? Yes. That's politics. What exactly is your point or are you just making inane remarks for fun?
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Thomathy, I forgot the number one rule of being EXC. The only facts that ever apply benefit the conservative agenda.
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Conservative agenda my ass. At this point, we're talking about a group of people who couldn't plan their way out of a wet paper bag. At least with "liberal agenda" or even "gay agenda" the phrase is conceivably plausible. "Conservative agenda" is like "baby war" or "tuna philosophy". Pointing the always blathering Ann Coulter at something hardly constitutes an agenda.
Anyway, I thought EXC wasn't a conservative, he's like mish-mash of stuff. Aren't you, EXC? You said something like that before.
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fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
I never said they weren't racist. The problem you have in saying their agenda is racist is that they don't attack black conservatives. Same as leftist that call anyone that opposes government run health care "racist". In fact the left attacks black conservatives as "not really being black".
I just want you to understand the real motive behind it all. People that can't formulate a logical argument play the race card on both the left and right.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen