Dawkins vs O'Reilly
Offline ...It's funny that, even on his own program, O'Reilly cannot manage to do any better than a bumblebee against a freight train.
Honestly, if anything, I think that this goes to prove Dr. Dawkins's argument against entering into 'debate' with these folks. The only thing that was actually accomplished here was O'Reilly throwing some more red meat to the crowd; everyone intelligent enough to understand why none of 'ol Bill's arguments were logically sound is also already intelligent enough to know that this 'argument' is already settled.
...Also, why is Fox so obsessed with 'fascism' these days? Anything that anyone does or has done in the past that Roger Ales dislikes is now 'fascist', from nationalized medication to teaching proper science to not being a white person. I mean, cripes, apparently Bill'O doesn't even understand the difference between fascism and censorship (which is what he was actually setting up a strawman for at the end), or so we're led to believe.
I guess Nazi rhetoric just resonates with contemporary conservatives (and gee whiz, I wonder why that would be?)
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The ultimate irony: attack facism by promoting facism, until you have facism.
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Theism is why we can't have nice things.
Listen buddy, it is because of you and this site that Pineapple was infected with your pesky reason. Now you go bitching about not having chewtoys. Tisk Tisk.........
As far as the video, I don't think it amounts to "throwing red meat" to the masses. I think Dawkins handled it well by staying calm and treating O'Crappy like a child throwing a tantrum.
There was a time when people wouldn't even defend evolution, and now to keep up with science you DID hear O'Crappy try to jump on the bandwagon by saying, "I don't think my belief conflicts with science"
We are forcing idiots like this to backpedal. Once we get them to concede that scientific method has merit, they have to play on our turf where their myth cannot compete.
The battle will not be won in a 5min or ten min segment. But the air time will cause many too investigate Dawkins and atheists and knowing how much our voice has exploded in the past 8 years, I do think this helps.
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i don't need to watch this. i can clearly imagine everything that was said. o'reilly is a human piece of garbage and listening to him only gets my blood pressure up.
what really gets to me aren't even his views: it's the fact that he tries to pull off this hard-ass act (see his famous argument with geraldo). i mean, come on, he's a soft, middle-aged TV presenter who's addicted to coke. just because you can stand up and scream and get red in the face doesn't make you a tough guy, billy-boy.
i'm sure dawkins was admirably calm and diplomatic as usual, but i wouldn't be able to stand it. i would challenge the motherfucker to a fight and keep publicly hounding him on the issue until he gave in, then kick his pasty mick ass (i say that as a fellow celt) just to take the wind out of his sails. at least that would open up plenty of opportunities for ridicule later on for those guests of his less polite than dawkins.
hell, civil or criminal charges would be worth it. i don't have any children or significant assets to speak of, and i really do hate this rat bastard that much.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
I suppose O'Reiley thinks he's right because he shouts more than Dawkins...
Should you ever write a book and agree to increase your and publisher's earning with a promotional tour keep in mind you have NO say over where you appear or who you talk to or in what forum.
His richarddawkins.net is a pro-atrocity, pro-judaism, pro-Israel forum so he has no complaint about being thrown in with his fellow fascists. Not only was I expelled for being anti-fascist but so also was Just Moshe.
But keep the first paragraph in mind. Book tours are for the promotion of sales and nothing else. I have no problem with people making a buck. More power to them. But lets not raise them above making a buck.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Jews and Palestinians - a race war that only involves one race.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
This is where I see most people of all political stripes missing the point. O'Reilly is not a journalist, and neither is Olberman. They may have journalism backgrounds and or degrees, but they are BOTH paid to attract viewers in order to buy the products advertised during their time slot.
I may lean toward Olberman's views, but I do not delude myself to thinking that his job is to merely report. BOTH of them are opinion columnists, not journalists.
The term "News Channel" is a joke. Opinions in media have replaced simple reporting, and has been passed of as fact.
News media today is not about reporting. It is cheerleading, it is Jerry Springer crap. If they would simply tell the truth about what they do, I would have no problem with "Opinion". But what all these outlets do is mix 2 mins of news every 15 mins and blurr opinion to make it seem like reporting.
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I kind of got the impression that O'Reilly doesn't really believe. He's "just throwing in with Jesus". So basically he just taking Pascal's wager. So I guess he assumes that if Jesus exists, that he will be rewarded for correctly pretending to believe. I don't why Dawkins even debates him, he's insane.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
This clip makes me sad, sad their are so many people who agree with Bill enough to keep him paid, and sad that anyone this far gone simply misses the issue entirely and cant be saved. This does indeed make me very sad.
What keeps him on the air is the insanity of leftists and socialists which is just as bad as any religious conservative. All he need do is point out how ridiculous is the socialist agenda and the lack of freedom we would have, then he looks like a genius in comparison. Limbaugh and O'Reilly could not exist if the left didn't throw them red meat all the time.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Someday I'm going to have to meet these socialists you find in this country. Most of the people I run into (even Obama and the people the media touts as leftists or liberals) are only very slightly left of center.
Or do you define socialist as anyone to the left of Mussolini?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Red meat ?
Like the very existence of the netherlands ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVxDNJ6RZQw
"The way they do statistics in the netherlands is different.."
Yeah, he looks like a genius alright.
Is O'Reilley reallya coke head? I know he has interesting extracurricular sexual interests....
If you look at Obama's quotes and associations before running for president, there is no doubt he's a socialist. He still wants to use the tax system to redistribute wealth. But you can't get elected unless you run close to the middle and pander to people on both sides. So there is a large percentage of people like Obama that are closet socialists.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
I've never met anyone as rediculous as this man. I'm from Vancouver so the religious crazies are much diluted and dont have hit tv shows. I travelled thru Australia/Thailand and met people from all countries including many Americans. Im yet to meet someone this cartoonishly moronic, or moronic enough to fully agree with someone like this. So I wonder, where are all these people that view men like this as inteligent and actually take them serious. Thier has to be millions and millions of em, it boggles my mind. And again im filled with sadness at the thought of millions of people buying this guys book.
I think we all have to raise our glass to Dawkins' classy performance of passive teaching. I dont know if i could stay as calm talking to a baffoon of this caliber.
See, unlike you, I've looked at his actual quotes and associations and not the Limbaugh interpretations of them as you seem to be stuck in. Obama is well on his way to being another Bill Clinton - the best Republican president the country has ever had.
So, is everyone to the left of Mussolini a socialist in your eyes?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Plain and Simple,Bill'O is a asshole !!! enough said.
I don't understand why theists think they should be able to teach their theology in the science classroom. I could understand them making an argument to include their book of lies in a literature class. Science should all be fact based.
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It would seem to me that people that people that want little freedom and massive redistribution of wealth by an all powerful government are more like Mussolini than myself. There is right wing fascism and left wing fascism. The only difference is the group of people they represent. How is a labor union any different than a corporate monopoly? How is the right to drill for oil any different than a welfare entitlement?
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Fascism/racism = Trump card.
Played by a person holding a losing hand.
The verbal equivalent of covering your ears with your hands and shouting "La, la, la, la, I can't hear you!"
O'reilly is a religious zealot with a loud voice.
How can not believing in something that is backed up with no empirical evidence be less scientific than believing in something that not only has no empirical evidence but actually goes against the laws of the universe and in many cases actually contradicts itself? - Ricky Gervais
My impression was that he doesn't really believe in God or Jesus("I'm throwing in with Jesus"). At best he's only believing because of Pascal's wager. If you ever saw his 'fucking' outburst, it's kind of hard to believe he really believes. He is like most people, he's religious when it's convenient.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
What are you talking about? There is nothing "leftist" about pointing out abuse of power. The mega business class has BOTH parties in it's pocket.
Do not make this out to be an either or. I am old enough to see how affordable life was, compared to today where you have to practically work 24/7 just to break even. I am lucky in that I have support my mother has given me. Most people are not that lucky.
I am for the free market. But that free market comes with the responsibility of self introspection and self regulation. If those who have don't want the middle or poor demanding government protecting them from pick pockets, then they shouldn't act like pic pockets.
I have no problem with what an individual wants, whatever that is. But the rich in this country treat the middle and poor class as losers who don't matter. Without the middle and poor classes these jaded pricks would have no one to buy their products.
It should not cost $50 per pill. Housing and education should not require you to become an indentured slave to dept. There was a time when the ratio gap was manageable allowing all to have balance in their lives.
There is no reason why life should be about being a slave to dept. There is no reason why the highest paid in America need all of what they make. If they don't want government stepping in telling them what to do, then they should take responsibility and look at themselves and know the difference between what they want, vs what they actually need.
Raping the public for every dime they can get will not sustain our economy in the long run. Wall Street and banks have behaved badly and have no one to blame but themselves.
I have no sympathy for jaded people. It is one thing to want to live in a mansion, if that is what floats your boat. But to complain that you cant afford two, when most of the world's population would be lucky to have a metal or wooden box to live in, cry me a fucking river!
I live in a trailer. I make slightly over minimum wage. Lots of people around the world would look at what I have and consider it a palace. I consider myself lucky.
Rush and O'Reilly only care about ratings, and could give a shit less about the middle class or poor. If you swabbed their mouths you'd find samples of Wall Street sperm.
They deserve every attack they get. They are dinosaurs and more and more people are seeing them for the fascists they claim not to be.
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Again, I'm wondering who you're talking about. What you're describing is closer to anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism than the current reality.
Left-wing fascism? Who told you that, Rush or Hannity? There is no such thing as left wing corporatism because so few left-wingers run corporations.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Read any of his books, you'll change your mind.
How can not believing in something that is backed up with no empirical evidence be less scientific than believing in something that not only has no empirical evidence but actually goes against the laws of the universe and in many cases actually contradicts itself? - Ricky Gervais
that wouldn't convince me. writing a book is when he has all the time he needs to weigh his words carefully and say anything he needs to to sound legit to the religious right. in fact, judging from the amount of time he spends on television and his obvious stupidity, i wouldn't be surprised if part or all of his books are ghost-written.
i always recall an older interview he had with dawkins where he blatantly says something like, "i practise christianity because it's good for ME, it helps ME." (i didn't add the caps for emphasis, he really did emphasize ME that much when he made the remark--check youtube.) most religious nuts are not in it for the self-help aspect. joel osteen or amr khalid don't inspire too many suicide bombers.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Of course O'Reilly thinks he's right, what raving lunatic doesn't?
www.youtube.com/watch
Not sure if that posted correctly. Kill Bill O'reilly by East Coast Avengers.
I am not questioning what you're saying, as I haven't visited the message board there (though I have visited the site). What you say may very well be the case, but I really am shocked if Dawkins is pro-Israel, since Israel is very pro-fundy Christian. Dawkins has done plenty of good work ridiculing theistic scum who also happen to support Israel, like Ted Haggard. Are you sure that Dawkins and others at his board just don't have the mere appearance of being pro-Israel when they criticize radical Muslims in Europe for the negative impact that they have on the secular culture there, and when they criticize Muslims who commit violent acts? Another reason that I am surprised by what you're saying here is because of the following excerpt from page 27 of The God Delusion: "Unlike Jews, however, who are notoriously one of the most effective political lobbies in the United States, and unlike evangelical Christians, who wield even greater political power, atheists and agnostics are not organized and therefore exert almost zero influence. [emphasis mine]" The word "notoriously" carries negative connotations, so it seems, from that sentence, that Dawkins isn't fond of the unconditional support that the United States gives Israel. I am not either, and I would be disappointed if Dawkins belonged to a pro-Israel clique of Atheists, as I generally like Dawkins (I even met him in person in 1997). If you have actual quotes that support what you're saying, I would very much like to see them.