Ok, skimmed through that a little. I agree that religion is a much bigger problem than god-belief. It seems that with individuals acting alone, or in small groups, not too much harm can be done. I do, however, still think that any unjustified belief can be harmful because it deludes the individual.

Sorry I can't really say much. Would you mind reposting this with paragraphs to make it easier to read?

         I'm curious could you elaborate on your  "evidence of gods existence".    I've  never seen any myself with over 40  years of looking.  And your charactor christos (which is a title not a name) never realy existed ,  it is just a conglomeration of several myths and maybe even a few real preachers, but no   one person named Jesu christos.

"The Bible is merely a book not in so much as a book of laws but a handbook on how to live and treat each other and nature itself. The book is an inspirational work of literary art written by various authors to report their divine relationship with their creator."

You mean aside from all the murder and punishment?

 First of all sir thank you for responding. Secondly, I never referred to the Christ or Messiah as Jesu Christos. Thirdly, in historic texts Jesus is mentioned throughout history. In Islam they not only believe that Jesus existed they also believe He had a supernatural birth. Is the image you see often of Jesus wrong? Yes, without any question. In fact, I often refer to the second commandment that forbids any iconic imagery representing anything of or relating to Heaven. That means no pictures, paintings, figurines, statues etc. Again it is not the Christians per se responsibility to prove His divine existence rather you to be able to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that He doesn't. Even Charles Darwin was said to have believed in God before he died. However I can never prove that anymore than I could prove the conspiracy to kill JFK or 911.

For a myth to exist it must entirely be fabricated or be without truth. However the Bible clearly outlines actual places, peoples, battles and various other events that have transpired. Isiah 44 clearly states " He sitteth upon the circle of the Earth" long before Columbus, Amerigo Vespucci and others who sat sail to see if the World was flat shedding light to the fact the Earth is round. It was this verse that inspired Columbus to set sail upon his fortuitous journey. I already stated there are stories in the bible not to be taken literally but meant as a learning tool to aid us in our spiritual growth and understanding. The evidence that you look for can't be explained. It is an inherent knowledge that can only be attained as if listening to a radio station and getting the proper reception by finely tuning your spiritual dial. Atheists argue that nothing can have no beginning and no end however we know that a number line has no beginning or end. God is the ultimate scientist and mathematician so something as basic as our number line proves that  indeed something can have no beginning or end.

What sustains you? Food, the will to live, water...what is it, are you merely here by chance. Think about that! In this vast expanse we happened as a fluke...so there must be other flukes of nature out there..what are the odds that we just happened from some cosmic explosion that over billions of years ended up putting us in just the right spot to cause all the right ingredients to form out of some intergalactic cesspool. Do you realize that if the Earth formed as the theory of the Big Bang suggests..it would highly be improbable if not impossible. The Earth as a hot massive rock with no atmosphere mind you supposedly was able to contain the massive steam that developed clouds that brought forth acidic rain that sprung forth life as we know it. Without getting into to much detail that appears more like a myth than intelligent design. Everything here on Earth no matter how insignificant we think it may be has a purpose. That's suggests a purposeful design as opposed to the notion we were constructed as intricate life forms out of something so choatic.

Nothing can be put into organized structure from chaos without something or someone to organize it. Does a cluttered room clean itself?

True, God may not be as we envision, but then again if He thought it to be important He would have made it the theme of His Word. The second commandment shows us it is not important to know what he looks like..after all we were made in His image. God is like a diamond. A diamond has many facets to it and each facet with it's own brilliance..we are those facets of brilliant color and together we bestow that magnificent image of God for we were created in the image of Him.   

 To Edward norton fan...how are you? Do you suggest there be no punishment for murder? No reprimand for those who commit a wrong?

The God believe it or not mentioned in the Bible is a God of Love and He has shown us mercy through offering us salvation. Wouldn't you want to have eternal peace and joy? Wouldn't that be something worth fighting for, after all isn't that what were doing here on Earth fighting for happiness, and peace of mind. Remember, many of the rules and laws mentioned in the bible are as a result of Man living apart from God. When Cain slew Abel he was punished but there was no law to show him that killing is wrong. Would you rather live in a world that has no moral code or punishment for violating ones right to live. God doesn't interfere with someones will to commit murder or rape because God is not a slave master. That is a manmade concept! And so we suffer because someone did us wrong but through our spiritual walk we can overcome the darkness that has engulfed our lives. Let's say I'm wrong, and I die and there is no heaven or hell..nothing lost except that I led a decent life and was kind to others and so on but if you were to die never accepting God or Jesus and you found out that He was true and real but by then it was too late...in other words it is better to be safe than sorry....thanks for responding!

 Hi Brian 37 good to hear from you...thanks for responding! Sorry to hear you can't do a fraction to save your life..let's hope it doesn't come down to that..haha.  I know it's hard to believe in a Being that is so not 1,2 or even 3rd dimensional. Super heroes are not necessarily comic book derived. One was in New York in 2006. Late December I believe,  a black man, father of two daughters jumped into a subway terminal to rescue am white man who fell in suffering from a seizure. The man was fighting his Superhero of sorts and as the train was hurtling towards them both, at the last minute the gentle man forced the other guy down as the train passed over them coming to a stop. The screams of his daughters and others who witnessed the event echoed through out the terminal as onlookers watched in utter horror. And then a voice underneath the train cried out.."WERE ALL RIGHT, WERE OK" I don't know about you but I when I think about that I almost cry..almost I'm a man and men don't cry...okay I cried it was cool to know that A man risked his life for another in spite of  possibly losing his family and life...in an age where most black people would have just let the white guy get run over..he put all if any animosity or hatred aside and saved a life at risk of losing his own..to me that's a Super Hero and God has done the same for us with Jesus. He put His life on the line so not one but ALL can be saved and to me that's beyond Super Hero. Thanks bro  

Are you willing to conduct a "fall on the metro track" study to see how many people survive?

Lets get 1,000 volunteers to jump or be pushed onto the track calculating the same parameters as your given example and see how many survive.

Am I glad they survived? SURE! But there is no MAGIC to it. If they had been killed they would have been killed. Since that didn't happen THEY GOT LUCKY!

This is bullshit. This is just as absurd when people phrase a god for the survival of 1 in a plane crash where there are 200 plus on the plane. Then in another accident , for example 200 survive and only one person dies.

Shit happens, that is all there is too it. Good and bad are no more a result of an invisible magical brain than taking a shit is a result of a voodoo doll.

Anything with a probability greater than zero eventually becomes almost inevitable.  Given the fact that the universe is unimaginably large, containing an unimaginably large number of stars, many of which have planets, and given the immense age of the universe, it shouldn't be surprising that a habitable planet would form somewhere and that life would develop on that planet. 

There's a lot we don't know about how all this happened.  When we don't know, the most honest and accurate answer is, "I don't know (yet)."  Not knowing is never a good excuse to leap to the supernatural or the divine for an explanation.

That's more-or-less true but "someone" (God) is not needed because "something" (natural physical law) is sufficient.  For example, consider what happens when you make ice cubes in your freezer.  A chaotic jumble of water molecules spontaneously forms itself into a highly ordered structure, not because of any intelligent intervention but because of the way the molecules connect with each other.

I'd be interested in knowing what you think is the one, single best reason to think that God exists, leaving out anything that boils down to "we don't know, therefore God".  The reason I ask for only one reason is that examining and explaining such things can take quite a bit of time.  When someone gives a long list of reasons, answering each and every one adequately can easily amount to writing a book and doubt that many of us have the time and inclination to tackle such a project here.  So, please give me the one best reason.

I am only going to respond to this first paragraph because I am supposed to be studying! 

I can't speak for Jeffrick, but I read his response to be a reference to Christ:

From the Encyclopedia of Worlds Religions-From the Greek word ‘christos’, meaning “anointed”; a title applied to Jesus, the founder of Christianity. The earliest followers of Jesus most likely spoke Aramaic, which was the language of Palestine in Jesus’ day. As a result, they would not have applied the Greek word ‘christos’, “Christ,” to Jesus. They would have used its Aramaic equivalent, which is usually rendered into English as messiah.-

OH MY GOD! Jesus was the founder of Christianity!!?

As for historic texts that mention Jesus, I would be curious as to which texts you are speaking of. If I don't believe a persons claim 100%, I tend to like a bit of proof behind said claim, so the names of the texts would be helpful.

And with the logic you used, don't tell me I have to prove the non-existence of these texts, geesh.

OH, and that brings me to my next point. If you state something to be true ~ you need to present points that help convince your audience to support your point or theory~so when you state that it is NOT a christian's responsibility to prove the existence of Jesus or God or whatever, you are mistaken as it is the Christian that claims the existence therefore they need to back that claim.

How are you today Bob nice to have you respond...wow I didn't think anyone would..this is fun bro.. 

when i talk about myths I refer to things that are not plausible. Spiderman, Batman are plausible figures because they are men and do nothing magical although comic books tend to have them performing some amazing stunts. This is merely labled fiction not myths.

The Earth had no water yet supposedly it created steam and in the vacuum of space how could the steam be contained if there was no atmosphere to contain it. No steam, no clouds, no water, no ice it's that simple. Without an atmosphere these events can't occur yet scientists or evolutionary  theorists claim it's possible like you being a direct descendant from a chimpanzee albeit a special chimpanzee because the others haven't evolved.

Random effects is putting it mildly, it takes a unique series of ingredients plus a position or better yet location, location, location.

If we were just a few degrees this way or that away we wouldn't be here so to me in my opinion that's pretty special of our existence.

Laws of intelligent design are there but we are too ignorant to understand them for the Master builder works in a different realm of physics. 

Me and you may agree 2+2 is four and base all of our mathematical principles around the obvious but even astrophysicists will concur there is a whole different set of logical principals that exist and we are nothing more than babes in the woods exploring our world but if we fail to open our eyes we will continue you to be blind no matter how adapted we are to our surroundings! take care bro

1. If plausibility is your benchmark you just called your God a myth. Do you see where you did that?

2. Ever heard of comets? Big balls of ice that collided with the still forming earth and brought water with them? Most common molecule in the universe? Is it just easier to believe that God spoke it into existence?

3. And the myth that Yahweh created it all is less random? The Bible gives no indication that he placed things specifically. The anthropic principle is a post hoc fallacy (feel free to correct my terms guys).

4. Reason opens eyes - faith closes them. Why do you keep yours closed?

"...evolutionary  theorists claim it's possible like you being a direct descendant from a chimpanzee albeit a special chimpanzee because the others haven't evolved..."

Are you really denying that we are apes? Really? You have nothing but the bible, which is only ONE book written by men hundreds of years ago, as any evidence of your god. But, we have the whole scientific community behind us with evolution. Have you heard of Lucy or Ardi?

             I'm assuming your post #7 was directed at me, please correct me if I am wrong.

       I  used the term Jesu christos because in the original version of the NT that's how the TITLE would be written. I was trying to emphasize the TITLE  not a name.  For this fictional charactor you call Jesus christ, Messiah, savior, son of god etc. I have been known to use  Jesu, Jesus, Joshua Bar Joseph, Yushua Bar Yusef and even Jesus H.Christ, any and all of these terms (yours and mine) have been used meny times throughout history.   Please don't get bent out of shape because I used a term you are not familier with!!  Try reading about your hero somewhere else above and beyond the bible, in at least one part of the Koran the title is rendered as Yssa Bn Yssif (sic).

       Joshua and Joseph were extremly common names, so common in fact that our modern English rendering would be John Doe  or even John Smith.  Which to us means unknown, unnamed, i.e.  unreal. Read the writtings of Saul of Tarsus (St.Paul) he so often refers to "The Christ" (no first name), the chosen, the annointed etc.  Paul came accross a sect of Jews who believed the "Annointed Savior" Had already arrived.  That sect dated back to early in the first century BCE (i.e. the birth of G.J.Caeser--100BCE).   Paul was a Greek speaking  Roman citizen with a Jewish religion and Hebrew ancesters.   One day, not expecting anything special Saul fell down in an epillectic siezier (or Bi-polar episode) and woke up as PAUL and decided the christians were right.

        Paul didn't believe there was a real Joshua the annointed, he made that clear enough in his writtings, (re-read your bible).  Paul simply converted into an already existing cult of Jews.  Now try  to imagine how different our world would be today if Paul had been a nice boy and  taken his medication.

         Columbus (Cristobel Colon) did not consult the bible before heading west. He had 20 years experience sailing up and down the African coast & Iberia,  he knew about the Easterly trade winds south of the Canary Islands and the Westerly trade winds north of the Canary Islands  and he believed -- based on his navigational science that the world was a sphere (not a circle!!!)   Amerigo Vespucci came along in the NEXT generation and happen to have his name attached to a map at the right time in the right place.  Otherwise we would now be living in  the new world of Norte Cristoba & Sud Cristoba.

        Further to that;  Proof & evidence of  any god is on you to supply.  Myself and other atheists DO NOT have to prove ZERO.  If you believe there rely is something out there;  YOU get to prove it.

        Darwin DID NOT convert on his death bed, rumors abound about that nonesense,  all have been disreputed.

        There is not a whole lot of mother natures' chaos that has been controlled,  scientists have been able to explain so much of the natural world that it may seem like humans are in control but we are not.  Mother nature can be a real Muthah-fuchah sometimes.

         Better yet let me quote Astrophysasyst Dr.Neil deGrasse Tyson (he has black skin btw) "Humans are a fluke of nature, we shouldn't be here,  99 point 999% of the universe will kill you. I could drop you buck naked on 2/3 of this planet and you will be dead in ten minutes. How can any human being claim this world was made for us?"

             You and everyone else here (listening badway?) can get his BIG HITs  on youtube. Just type in his name on google.

Hello BADWAY, welcome to the forum.

Organisms can certainly gradually evolve into something significantly different given enough time, a varying amount of time depending on the circumstances. The entire genome is subject to mutation, so it's not like changes in characteristics would halt at an invisible wall.

However, the theory of evolution does not claim, specifically, that the rose that exists today evolves into a daffodil or a lynx into a lion. Yep, you are holding one of the most prevalent misconceptions of evolution. The species that you have named are, on an evolutionary scale, cousins. They branched off from a common ancestor.

What does a "design to it" mean if not that it was "designed?" Do you mean it's complex? Then, use the right word, and just say it's complex. What, do you have a "gut feeling" that it's designed? Does the universe "seem" "nice" and "tidy?" 

Don't be annoying and continue committing vague, non sequitur semantic fallacies after they've already been pointed out to you.  

Be precise. Say what you really mean.

 Hello again Norton fan,

thanks again for responding!

God use to walk here with Adam in the cool of the day and through out the old testament God was often rejected even when He performed miraculous awesome powers but still man would deny or reject Him. Imagine your a newly freed slave from Egypt who is on an Exodus from the pharoah. You've been led to a place where it appears your back is against the wall and your trapped between a huge body of water and the pharoahs men quickly coming upon you to go and you know that there is no hope either way your going to die....but God who delivered you out of Egypt that you prayed too your losing faith quick...after all how could He do this to you....(HE WOULDN'T BRING YOU THIS FAR TO DROP YOU OFF HERE) so he does something that no one else could do and part this body of water to allow you passage across and once upon the other side as pharoahs men are crossing , God let's the waters go and drowns the Pharoahs men then after seeing that and waiting for the land of paradise you question Him again and so you turn  to building a false god of gold but it does nothing. I say this because through out biblical history where God once was known to man and had a kinship with him that after the constant turning away He realized that many have seen and have rebuked Him so God being the loving Father He is said basically look guys I'm going to make it easy for you. If you can believe that a man can be born both of the spirit and flesh and that he can abide by the laws and show the hypocrites the errors of their ways and perform miracles before your very eyes like turning water into wine and causing the dead to rise and the blind to see not only that but beleive He came to die for your sins and rise from the tomb....if you can believe that then salvation can be yours...Like I stated earlier i'm not here to make you angry...I have not condemned you are ridiculed you or blasted you I'm merely speaking of my faith that can't be wavered by rhetoric. I know it would be easy to quote scripture verbatim but i'm not here to judge you...I don't and won't. I have issues of my own that burden me....my own sins...but my faith has carried me through my darkest times..and even now..thank you for your time

This isn't anger or hatred - not even close. I consider this fun.

Stop the "poor me" motif. As I tried to explain to you which you don't seem to get, DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONALLY,

Yes we are angry, just like Galileo must have been when the church said, "The earth is flat and that's the end of it".

We get claims like yours all the time. We get claims from other people of other religions. We've even had a "new ager" named Captain Pineapple who used to believe that the universe was a giant consciousness. She has since given up on that claim.

Remember that you came here. Also remember that we are not attacking YOU personally. You might be the nicest person in the world, non of us have personally met you. WE ARE NOT JUDGING YOU. We are judging the claims you make.

And also treat us as individuals. You will find some will take a more library approach and others don't mind the verbal boxing ring. But in any case whomever you are dealing with here ARE individuals. And non of us are judging you the person. WE are judging the claims you make here, nothing more.

So please stick to responding to our counter arguments and provide evidence for the claims you make. Do not take our blasphemy personally because it is NOT about you. Your claims are not special to us any more than the claims of a Muslim or Hindu.

Please learn to separate the two issues, otherwise you are going to be miserable here.

1. You, the person are a separate issue than

2. The claims you make(ON ANY SUBJECT, not just god claims)

M-Kay?

"God use to walk here with Adam in the cool of the day..."

No, he didn't. Your god only exists in your mind. Free your mind. Let go of the dogma.

 Okay, I get it ......nooooooooooooooooooopppppeeee I don't..lol

I love you guys really....

First let me reiterate that when I first started this forum I clearly stated I am no expert on Astronomy or God himself however God is Real to me for several reasons.

But let me ask you this...

Can we agree that both sides may be wrong or at least not know enough to say that without a doubt either of us knows the complete truth?

I can concede that like the scripture states there are things of this world we don't understand and probably may never quite fully.

Do you believe anything is possible? Bigfoot, ufo's, loch ness monster are not these entities likely to exist?

Do you believe in esp or ghosts?

Can you explain death experiences where people died and saw a great bright light and could see angels or loved ones then were revived to tell there tale?

Was it a hallucination of sorts? Have you died and come back to life to say you saw the same thing and you could (rationalize what you saw)?

Do you believe in life on other planets either lower, equal or higher than ourselves?

Could the be possibly a whole set of mathematics that we haven't discovered yet that could propel us into other dimensions?

No one will argue science, I won't, but, I believe Science just reinforces the possibility of a creator?

You get angry because all your life you were told you would burn in Hell if you sinned. And no one likes to be threatened with punishment for exploring your human nature.

But God has always been about free will, and doesn't judge you for being human, His judgement if you will is against those who won't believe for whatever reason. I haven't heard or read one Atheist or agnostic who said that the Bibles precepts of how to live and love one another or the wisdom of proverbs as being wrong or illogical. To try and do that would reinforce the negative connotation that your just wanting to rebel against God and have no reason other than to practice self fullfilment with prejudice!

Nobody has really asked me why I believe in God? Aren't you the slight bit curious?

I was not raised up in the church nor did we pray at the table before we ate our supper. In fact my mother didn't teach me about God, NO ONE DID! I inherently knew..and as I grew older there were things that transpired in my life that when I reflected on it and analyzed it it could only be Divine intervention that was present. I won't tell my story unless you ask. But God is real and I wish it was as easy as boiling water but it isn't. Nothing worth having ever is. Yes there hypocritical Christians, I know because i am one. I'm worse off than you guys but i still believe because He sustains me and i don't know why for i am not worthy. None of us are, however God loves us that much that He is willing to forgive us and deliver us from our iniquity.

If we went back far in time....where we regressed to the beginning of civilization, man, apes, amphibians, fish, amoebas, Earth, stars one by one dissapearing until there was nothing. Absolutely nothing before the first star, planet or even atom ever existed my question would be ....How did the first molecule begin? Nothing just happens with out something to set it in play. What's the law...pardon my bastardization of this principle but..... when an object at rests stays at rest unless something moves it, and an object in motion stays in motion til something stops it...albeit, friction, gravity, whatever. Something had to occur for the first molecules to begat the universe as we know it..er think we know it...If you could answer that question you would be the world's richest man or at least smartest. Scripture explains this but keep in mind the men who were writing these books didn't have the words to accurately depict things they witnessed or heard. So it is understandable for one to say the Book of Genesis is vague well duh ! We didn't have Steven Hawking there to witness the event as it unfolded or Carl Sagan but even these men have contended intelligent design as well as many present day scientists. They won't go on record as denying a creator though they may deny the religion involving that being.

Is it your general approach to the seemingly insoluble questions you face or problems which appear to be admitting of no solution to seek an explanation in mythology?

Is it only christianity that holds the solutions to all unanswered questions and intractable conundrums or is it all myths? What happens when there are accounts in ancient stories that conflict with each other or with contemporary scientific explanations?

"We were made in the image of God..."

So, god is an ape?

 Wow Thomathy you almost did it ...you almost made me go W.T.....but ha ha I won't.

So you can't admit you might be wrong so you must be perfect. The authority of all authorities. You're a genius. I'm blown away. I should worship you. You have all the answers because you can't be wrong. Can you?

I didn't invent anything so there goes that statement. 

My imagination..hmmmm...so I made up God, I wrote the Bible, I created the Solomons temple, the Dead Sea Scrolls, Torah,...the Great flood,

yep you got me it was me I did all this.....boy you are reaching!

Now you contradict yourself...You said you couldn't be wrong or admit to possibly being wrong then you turn right around and said Sure, anything is possible...even you being wrong...hmmm which is it?  Can you or can't you, at least i'm man enough to admit my shortcomings in the area of God, astrophysics, evolution among other things..even humble. I'm not so arrogant to say otherwise.

I asked is it possible for life on other planets,then you say "No. It's possible of course" which is it bro your more confusing than an hermorpadite on the dating game for ambiguous heterosexuals!!!

So your saying it doesn't make sense  that there maybe a whole of different mathematical principles that could put us in a whole other dimensional realm like 4th or 5th dimensions or parallel universes. Why, because of your inability to accept anything is possible...oh yeah that's right you said Sure it's possible....whatever bro....good thing your not on the show You're smarter than a 5th grader...zowie..zing!

Oh and sorry i meant to say is, to be able to practice self fullfilment without prejudice. Meaning, you would rather go on living your life the way you see fit without reservation or reprimand, fear of answering to a higher authority than yourself so it it would be far easier to just deny God and His existence because that's a mental battle you don't want to be burdened with...in other words feeling guilty for doing something deemed morally unacceptable. My Bad. I should have worded it better but I was pressed for time. Sorry

So what was there before the BBT, Thomathy? You suggested there may have been something there prior to the Big Bang....do you have a clue? I asked Thomathy what, when there was nothing , that created the first molecule? I didn't mention universes I said if you went back far enough in time before the BBT there had to be something that created the molecule that replicated and formed a nucleus that formed an atom that........................................................................................Can you answer that? I'm not here to debate science but show that God's creations are in fact quite scientific. Dispel that without rhetoric!

Yes , okay they could have invented words like gjhdkflsuy to describe an event but it wouldn't have made sense to create mumbo jumbo that know one could relate too....it would have just made it that more confusing...Why speak over someones head if your trying to teach people something unless you want to confuse them and the Devil is the author of confusion...where God is the Author of Wisdom and Truth albeit complex and hard to grasp.!  Even the pictographs, or heiroglyhics were consistent with there understanding as it relates to their culture. A drawing, or pictograph is a lot easier to explain because it is a visual concept as opposed to comprehending a literal one.

For example if I told you i saw a ufo and described or even wrote about it it wouldn't have as much impact unless I drew you a picture to show you what I saw. Sure you could use your imagination. But I don't want you to create something that wasn't there in your own perception..in other words lean unto your own understanding, so I must convey the image on paprys, paper, stone whatever to explain visually what words alone could not articulate!

Thomathy, may I borrow the chew toy? Thanks.

Where was there ever a mention of Thomathy's infallibility? He said that some of things you listed were possible because anything is possible. Even God may be possible. The God of the Bible who you worship is definitely not because he's a human created self-contradictory being.

Nah, I can't give you that much credit. You don't have enough imagination to think of that stuff. That's why you borrowed their myths. Come to think of it, that's why they borrowed the myths of other cultures to build theirs.

No, you asked if he believed it was possible for life to exist on other planets. He said he didn't believe in it but it is possible. Please think before you post and read it afterwards.

No, he said your question didn't make sense. Now that you've asked the question in a slightly better form let me try. there may well be undiscovered maths that can do what you claim. What does that have to do with your "I don't know so God must have done it" argument again?

The "Atheists just want to live without accountability" sounds silly from a follower of a religion that has an infinitely forgiving God. As a Christian, you have carte blanche to do whatever you desire without penalty as long as you act really sorry for it, ask Jesus for forgiveness and promise to never do it again (until you want to). We poor atheists have to live with the responsibility of out actions in society and their affects on others. Nice of your God to let you be immoral twits like him, huh?

We don't know yet. You don't either. Why does that scare you into giving the Canaanite deity you're borrwing credit?

You mean unlike the words that the writers of the Bible used to create your God out of their imagination for you?

Your God doesn't want us to use our own understanding - don't you read your holy book? Proverbs 3:5 states "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." That must be why theists like gods so much - they don't have to think except to remember how to ask forgiveness.

I didn't spell god with a capital "g". I used YOUR quote, then responded to it. Thanks for the flattery, but you are an ignorant person. I appreciate your kindness, though. It's quite unexpected coming from a fundie like yourself. You really need to read about evolution and educate yourself. We ARE indeed apes, there is no argument against it. It is a FACT.