People on this SIGHT are nowhere near as intelligent as.... [YOU RESPOND]
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Subject: [General Question] A sad atempt...not impressed
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Your blatant use of logical fallacies notwithstanding, I find that your
arguments are flawed, your logic off, and frankly are some of the worst
examples of intellectualism that I have seen in a long time. Do you
honestly think that the universe comes in prepackaged bits for your
convenience? A laughable attempt at trying to act more intelligent than you
actually are. Sad indeed.
Oh, and by the way, Sigmund Freud once said “sometimes a cigar is just a
cigar” meaning that sometimes when someone says something they really
mean what they say. So based off the above, no, this is not a vain attempt
to goad you into a fight, I am not just some ‘religious nut’ who cannot
accept the facts. I really do think that your logic is off and most of you
on this sight are nowhere near as intelligent as you think you are. So
before you use a vain attempt of trying to find some “skeptical
response” to my statements above I would suggest you read the above.
Have a nice life in your delusion.
You may now do what all atheists do and block me.
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Oh goody. I get to be first. It's been awhile.
"Your blatant use of logical fallacies notwithstanding, I find that yourarguments are flawed, your logic off, and frankly are some of the worstexamples of intellectualism that I have seen in a long time."
I find your lack of evidence and example disturbing. Or I would, but I already know that you got your definitions from your church, instead of the dictionary. So you just don't know any better.
"Do youhonestly think that the universe comes in prepackaged bits for yourconvenience? A laughable attempt at trying to act more intelligent than youactually are. Sad indeed."
Here's an opportunity for you to learn a real fallacy. It's called the "Straw Man". It's where you make shit up and pretend someone said it so you can ridicule it, never mind that you ridicule yourself by doing this.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Two full paragraphs wasted on on some sort of random, and albeit, juvenile criticism that was never really defined in any proper context.
Your life can't possibly be this empty can it ?
Here's a second chance.....(and I'm not holding out much hope here) please explain what this "delusion" would be.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
"Oh, and by the way, Sigmund Freud once said “sometimes a cigar is just acigar” meaning that sometimes when someone says something they reallymean what they say. So based off the above, no, this is not a vain attemptto goad you into a fight, I am not just some ‘religious nut’ who cannotaccept the facts. I really do think that your logic is off and most of youon this sight are nowhere near as intelligent as you think you are. Sobefore you use a vain attempt of trying to find some “skepticalresponse” to my statements above I would suggest you read the above."
I think that you're a typical theist nut who wanders the web looking for atheists to hate when you should take a long look in the mirror. You post is just a long winded insult. There's nothing to debate or discuss, as you never had the intent to debate or discuss. Just a logical fallacy surrounded in ad hominem.
Have a nice life in your delusion.
You may now do what most theists do and never come back. Hopefully you'll try again though. Could be fun.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Hellloooo??? i dont understand what these theists are trying to accomplish with the post and run. They dont stay to defend their beliefs, from what ive seen anyone whos not a complete offensive idiot or has anything to discuss at all worth discussing irregardless of what their stance on the discussion is are allowed to post freely. What i find puzzleing is how a theist can think that posting and leaving the post active like this, only to generate more and more logical responses without rebutle to be viewed by more theists in the future can help their cause in any way. It surely only goes to show how many cant defend what they believe at all.
I've only been on the site for a couple days, ive started a couple topics myself. I'm very outspoken, and in no way think i am the smartest, or the most literate, or the best writter. I have already had to defend what i said, I expect not only to have to defend what i believe, but also may be enlightened to things i havent thought of yet, or was simply mistaken about. I would never post something and run, its rediculous. The hole point of a site like this is not to deconvert people although this im sure happens as a bi-product, but to discuss important issues and enlighten ourselves as best we can, no one on the site knows everything and so we can all learn from the discussions we have, even with the dum-dums So??? Where'd you go???
*Kicks AmericanIdle for splitting my response*
NoMoreCrazyPeople, this was an email sent to RRS, not a post on the forum. But as the site says where the address can be found, emails are subject to being posted on the forum so that members can respond. That way people can get diversity in responses, and it's a bit more likely that one will hit home. A link to this topic will have been sent to the persons email, so he or she can come and discuss it further, should they choose to. A number have, so you never know. Any time you see [YOU RESPOND] in the topic title, it's an email.
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ahhh! well it is my second day, thanks for the enlightenment, just like i said.
No problem, you can't be expected to have everything figured out right away.
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no, that's actually the typical theist position: that the universe is a closed system that acts on predictable laws based on scripture anbd/or tradition and was created and is maintained by a conscious entity.
i think most of the science folk on this SITE subscribe to chaos theory and do not think there is any reason or teleology behind the universe at all.
as for myself, i'm a historical materialist and i subscribe to the buddha's view that anything extraterrestrial or extradimensional or extra-anything that does not directly affect one's consciousness is irrelevent, including speculation on theology, eschatology, and teleology. of course, having been a religion major i enjoy such speculation, but i do not think it should significantly influence private or public life.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
I hate to respond to these because the authors are not here to defend themselves....
But anyways, this guy made unsubstantiated claims, yet he's wondering why so many people reject theism...define irony.
“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”
Hahahahahahahah...............Block you? You must be confusing this site with other websites. What a blanket statement. The only thing that gets people banned here is trolling, sock puppets and threats of violence. Other than that, you are welcome to spew your absurdities, we love chew toys.
Secondly, NO we do not think the universe is prepackaged. If anything myth lovers think that. A giant disembodied magical, invisible super brain, floating nowhere and everywhere at the same time did it, somehow. THAT is prepackaged, and quite frankly just as stupid as believing in Santa.
The universe is no more a result of a deity than your computer screen is run by hamsters spinning a wheel producing pixie dust to run your computer screen.
What we don't know about the universe is not magic anymore than taking a dump is. What we do know about the universe is that it is NOT a giant brain. What we do know is that it was not created by Allah, or Vishnu, or Thor or Jesus.
We do know that humans are capable of making up fantastic fictional claims and passing them on as fact from generation to generation. The ancient Egyptians once thought the sun was a thinking super natural being, AND THEY WERE WRONG.
What makes you think modern humans, of any deity belief are magically immune to the same flaw?
Instead of making sweeping generalizations, be brave and take us on and BE specific. Take this post for example. Tell me specifically in this post, where my logic fails?
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This explains it: http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/the_rational_response_squad_radio_show/you_respond_rationally_mailbag/2236
And as to the follow up "the authors aren't here to respond to these," every single author is alerted to the posted email and able to respond without registering on the site.
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You do know what "notwithstanding" means, right?
I'm feeling smarter already.
I'm not sure what kind of skeptical response to give, as you said nothing of substance. I could say, "Defend your propositions with evidence," which would be a suitable skeptical response, I guess, but I doubt you have any good examples. I mean, there are a lot of flawed arguments here, definitely. Individually, some of us sometimes don't present our best game (me especially). But really, we have some excellent arguments, as well (such as the ontological and epistemic untenability of god).
However, your concern is noted.
Thanks! You have a nice life in my delusion, too.
I'm an atheist, and I don't block you (goal, cock, internet, or otherwise). So your passive-aggressive assertion has been proven false.
Welcome to my delusion, Champ. It's gonna be a long stay, and you're playing by my rules now.
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I've always wondered if theists are pissed off when they find out they're not blocked, and they have to sulk away quietly because they didn't have anything else to say.
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“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”
I know you want to feel oppressed or something, but we don't block people for disagreeing with us, even if they're dicks.
Sorry, dude.
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[email protected] said "I am not just some ‘religious nut’"
Yeah, you are.
How can not believing in something that is backed up with no empirical evidence be less scientific than believing in something that not only has no empirical evidence but actually goes against the laws of the universe and in many cases actually contradicts itself? - Ricky Gervais
They are more than welcome at this website. I am sure there are plenty of atheist websites that take a "don't offend others" approach. Being an atheist myself, I would not join or support such a website. I do not believe that the road to bridging gaps or ending bigotry is done through political correctness.
These people who assume this site will automatically ban them falsely associate all atheists agreeing on all issues all the time. This is false.
BTW, I have been banned from Christian websites and chat rooms before. But I do not assume all websites or chat rooms will do the same. If I get banned from any website, whatever it's topic matter is, I DONT CRY CENSORSHIP.
Why? Because the website is doing it, NOT THE GOVERNMENT. If I want my voice heard, there are hundreds of millions of websites on the web and or, I can make my own.
We've even had atheists in the past bitch about their free speech being violated because a Christian site booted them. BULL SHIT! The people(on either side of the god issue) who do this CAN GO ELSEWHERE OR MAKE THEIR OWN WEBSITE.
Again, to the OP e-mail and to any Christian or whatever, reading this. This site is not the totality of all atheists. It's rules are even more lax than most newspaper websites.
WE WANT believers here. WE like the challenge. WE like the fight. WE are not afraid of it. WE do not take it personally. WE do not hate people who hold beliefs we don't agree with. And we wish you would duke it out with us without taking it personally too.
You will not get banned for merely saying, "You are full of shit, god exists". You will not get banned for saying, "You are going to burn in hell". GET OVER IT! We are all adults and if being offended is the worst the atheist or theist has to fear, we are all better off.
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It would be nice if you'd supply at least one specific example so that one could respond meaningfully. Lacking that, I'll temporarily settle for pointing out an error in your use of English:
Sight is the ability to see. A site is a location, as in, "This is a web site." I normally resist the urge to bring up such things. However, when someone accuses others of not being very smart and makes a stupid mistake in their use of language while doing, it seems like fair game to me.
Reality is the graveyard of the gods.
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Sight is the ability to see. A site is a location, as in, "This is a web site." I normally resist the urge to bring up such things. However, when someone accuses others of not being very smart and makes a stupid mistake in their use of language while doing, it seems like fair game to me.
I do agree with you mostly when it comes to someone putting forth an angry post with no real substance. But i have to say we're all imperfect with our spelling and grammar, some are more carelss than others like me, i try my best but am much more concerned with the issue articulated than the spelling of the words. Literacy and inteligence are two very different things. One could be intelligent and mostly illiterate based on his circumstace, he could still be an intelligent philosher able to concieve intelligent thought and not able to properly articulate his philosophies because of his illiteracy. In my personal experience when discussin important things with someone picking away at my spelling, and cant help but find them petty and trivial, although correct to enlighten me about by incorrect spelling.
Just as an example in the last sentence of your post, your comma seems to be in the wrong place, it should surely be after the "it" but that doesnt make your statement any less valid to me.
Ofcaorse not al all sticking up for the Crazies palm smashing the keyboard on caps lock and then running, but slight spelling mistakes i think are something if made by someone with a decent approach to discussion should mostly be off limits for a person to use as a rebutle.
I understand that intelligence and being good with grammar and spelling are not necessarily intimately connected. I also understand that pointing out someone's mistakes in spelling or grammar is not a real rebuttal to their argument. That's why I generally don't point out such things. However, there are exceptions and, in my opinion, Raymond McCarthy's email qualifies as an instance in which I should make such an exception, for reasons that I gave in my previous post.
Argh. I left out an "it". There should be one before the comma as well as after. Since I made that mistake while pointing out someone else's mistake, I think you would be justified in calling me out for it.
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Ditto, that's why I pointed it out with all caps in the title. I normally don't point it out as almost everyone on this site has made a spelling error or two. The e-mailer reminds me of this picture...
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Im framing this picture and hangin it on my wall. Not kiddin, im gonna blow it up, maybe a black and white, what a great piece of art.
That's a great picture.
I've seen it before but it still puts a smile on my face.
Reality is the graveyard of the gods.