Just curious, what does an anti-gay thiest believe about hermaphrodite homosexuality
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Just curious, what does an anti-gay thiest believe about hermaphrodite homosexuality
I was just watching the good old intellectual Maury Pauvich show and saw a story of girl that was born a hermaphrodite and was raised to be a female only to later on feel like a male and become attracted to women. How exactly would an anti-gay theist catagorize a hermaphrodite that couldve gone either way now attracted to the same sex they have grown up as.
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"A test of faith" I am willing to bet.
ha! ah so true.
Out of all of the topics ive posted, ive only had 1 or 2 theists respond, and they either posted and ran, or were just another crazynut. Although i dont mind atall discussing issues with these types, i am wondering where are the intellectual theists, i know their out their, i have had great discussions with some of them in my life. So where are you??? Id like to talk hear your response as well as the dum dums.
Just wonderin
The best you can hope for is an apologist usually.
Most of the time they end up only learning certain talking points, and repeating them ad nauseam while quoting (usually without citation) the place they got their argument from verbatim.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
Several years ago, I knew a girl in exactly the same situation. Her daddy always wanted a girl, so when she came out with both sets, it was a no-brainer for him. Except that she should have been a guy.
The up-side to being her is that she could pick up straight women like nobody I've ever seen. The downside was that her religious parents disowned her when they found out they'd fucked up and chosen the wrong sex for her.
Curiously, she remained religious through the whole time I knew her, insisting that her parents believed in the wrong version of Buddy Jesus (TM). I asked her one time what most Christians seemed to think of her, and she said it never even occurred to most of them to question hermaphrodites as a possible glitch in the whole "homosexuality is wrong" thing. They just see a dike. No questions asked.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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A glitch indeed, the exact word i was thinking of in my car today. A tiny glitch in his design. One leading down a trail to many. I mean its quite a terrible design really. Not at all to insult hermaphrodites i am not the one who thinks its an designers error because i dont believe in a god. When you are asserting a great wise designer, you are the saying these are errors. I think they are natural occurances to be taken more as unique gems instead of outcasted or riddiculed. Rare but possible.
Its funny that a maury pauvich show got me thinkin about a topic i hadent done much critical thought on, all these glitches in his design that to me seem like such obvious evidence that this god is either non-existant, or powerful yet terribly unorganzed and just cant seem to get his shit right!!! So theists, WHY ALL THE GLITCHES??? Is it because we sinned??? or have free will??? i dont understand how a perfect desinger would create the possibility for man to produce a hermaphrodite, and then say to this hermaphrodite is it wrong for being homosexual. This is rediculous???
Can we not also assume that the mental characteristics attributed to feeling both man and women in an hermaphrodite, could be assumed to be present in people who dont manifest the physical attributes of an hermaphrodite. Thus saying we all have a little boy and girl in us, just most are high percentages on one side of the fence. The broad spectrum in between leaves us with all gays and lesbians, and bi sexuals and transexuals and all the great diverse sexualities that exist in the world.
Furthermore id just like i have no clue how people cna honestly be strongly against gay marriage. I see it no different than interatial marriage, i cnat believe this cartoon characters still exist.
woops still trying to work out the quot function
You could just ask if you are stuck
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
i think i got it i just sometimes pressed the quote button instead of the edit button i meant to, im a mess with computers
Well, NoMoreCrazyPeople, I think that you come off as a pompous ass, and I'm probably not the only theist that thinks so. That's probably why most avoid talking to you. You don't strike me as if you're open to what we have to say. Most likely, whatever I say in response to you will go right over your head, and you'll just continue to repeat the atheist mantras: "Jesus never existed," "The Bible is bad," "God is evil," etc.
Despite my better judgement, I'm going to attempt a response anyway. In fact, a fellow Christian asked me this very question not that long ago, so I've had some time to reflect on it.
I think what you've stumbled upon here is the 1-in-a-million case, rather than the typical case. You're only asserting it to puff your feathers in front of your fellow atheists, who are taking the bait nicely I see. This is actually a typical atheist tactic, and I've seen it many times before. It disgusts me to no end. "Here's something that God didn't foresee by putting a specific line about it in the Bible; that must mean he isn't omnicient."
Instead of covering all cases, God has given us grace. This grace covers the gray areas, like the one that you've stumbled onto here. I don't believe that what you're describing is a sin, though since I can't be absolutely sure, I believe that God has it covered by his grace.
What you have to remember is that we are looking at the world post-Fall. Pre-Fall, things were idyllic and perfect, but because man introduced sin into the world by disobeying God, the Fall and its resultant curse mean that things are sliding out of balance; the universe is essentially destroying itself. And it all stems from that first act of disobedience. Remember that the Fall affects all of creation.
So hermaphrodites are a perversion of the original created order; more evidence that we live in a fallen world. It is a fluke of the flesh, not a design problem that we can blame on God.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. --Galileo Galilei
He came off as pompous? Typical atheist tactic? Look in the mirror lately?
So you're saying WE, not god, made hermaphrodites?
Evidence of a fallen world? that's convenient.
By the way, didn't adam and eve not know right from wrong when they ate the apple? So why were they punished? Why was everyone punished?
And then we get grace (what ever that means)and we're supposed to be grateful?
Doesn't it bother you that your god can't speak for himself and needs you to make excuses for him?
Eden had a 25% murder rate and incest was rampant.
Interesting post Cory T. Pre fall and post fall changes in creation brought about as a consequence of sin ? Well within that context I was thinking about why the fossil record has yet to reveal any examples of pre fall specimens of animals such as T Rex ? You know, like why are there no examples of the non meat-eating version of T Rex ( with the appropriate dentition ) that must have existed before the curse of predation and death was so illogically thrust upon the animal kingdom ?
Also, in the beginning when God supposedly created all the life that teems within the depths of the pre fall oceans what did all those now carnivorous forms of animal life feed upon ? The ocean isn't exactly a very friendly environment for animals with a plant-based diet ( and not too many fish have molars . )
Just sayin'
Well, I am glad that you have had some time to reflect on this. I would like to ask you some questions, just to see where you stand on such matters.
OK, you do know that there is not one single case to look at and that there are many possible causes, right? So how would you deal with a specific case? More specifically, why does the frequency of such cases even matter? Each of us has been granted a certain lot in life and we have to deal with the cards that we are dealt.
Take the case that HambyDammnit is running with. He/she apparently has both sets of equipment. So her/his father thinks that he can brand him/her as gay for deciding to pick one set over the other?
Leaving aside the idea that people may choose to be “really” gay, this person was dealt a lot in life where any choice would have been a choice in the real sense of the word. (s)he has a willy and (s)he likes girls. Regardless of how common it is, if anyone else with a willy likes girls, that does not make them gay.
OK, so god is handing out grace with a huge scoop. Even so, one has to operate as nature provides and if that happens to not conform to some other person's notion of what choices one ought to make, should a responsible theist be condemning people for what they do with their private parts? Or should the responsible theist be saying that it is not his lot in life to second guess what people who are so affected choose for themselves?
Also, let me stir the pot just a bit further. Since you mention the idea of a 1:1,000,000 case, what about a rather more common medical occurrence that makes matters less clear?
I am speaking of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome(AIS). This is apparently more like a 1:1,000 case from what I am finding on google. Basically, it is a mutation carried on the X chromosome that modifies androgen receptors so that they just do not function normally. For point of discussion, let's call the mutation “X'”.
So a person who has the X, X' case will develop as a normal woman, due to the fact that the normal copy of the gene causes normal development of the androgen receptor. This person will be a “normal” woman in any sense which is meaningful.
However, about a quarter of her children will be X', Y. Genetically, they are male. The normal Y chromosome from the father causes the gonads to develop into testicles. However, past that, the androgen hormones do not have any function and the remaining structure develop as a normal female.
This condition is often not diagnosed until well into adolescence when the young woman goes to the gynecologist to find out why she is not having a period, although families who already have the condition often get genetic testing via amniocentesis and it can be discovered then.
Apart from medical considerations that are between this person and her doctor, the major effect is that they cannot participate in athletic events which use the standard blood test to rout out skinny men who attempt to compete in the woman's division for an unfair advantage. As it happens, a woman with AIS could juice up with horse steroids and it would not matter because she has no working receptor which they could influence.
So how do you judge when a person with AIS is gay or straight?
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Lets just skip to the end of his post real quickly...
what did i say
" I think they are natural occurances to be taken more as unique gems instead of outcasted or riddiculed. Rare but possible."
"The broad spectrum in between leaves us with all gays and lesbians, and bi sexuals and transexuals and all the great diverse sexualities that exist in the world. "
hmmmmm??? I wonder what the gay community would have to say about you claiming it a perversion. So ofcoarse we can see clearly by your opening and closing statement alone that you are the pompouss ass, i love all people you exclude most. I win!!! Lets move on...
very poorly at best i see.
No im asserting it because its valid and relevant and i would like to hear the people with a more well thought up awnser than they're are greys because we sinned, perversions of the fallen world told about in your holy book. That wont do ofcoarse, surely you can see how it never will. I dont need anyone to puff my feathers thank you, they are already full bodied and lusciously thick.
Yes its tuff to make decisions on own using your own mind, ofcoarse sin doesnt exist so for me it certainly isn't one. Neither is homosexuality, why would it be, how rediculous a concept that how you are born is a sin. Nope that wont do!!! Nope, nope, nope...
I hope it is not pompouss of me to quote myself from a question to the athiests posted yesterday i find relevant to your paragraph.
"Let me see if i can best sum up my understanding our your teachings. God creates man and earth...Man eats apples...God creates loophole for apple eating...God becomes man...Godman sacrifices himself to himself for the hole apple fiasco...Doesnt seem to work properly...something about a 3rd form of god...yadayadayada.......God hates gays.
Nailed it!!! "
Do you believe gays are going to be tortured for eternity, i surely dont, i wish no harm on any decent moral humanbeing. Homosexuality is only immoral according to YOUR holy book, my holy book is my independant free mind which morailty is far superior and incapable of hating homosexuals, or being racist, or thinking people should go to hell. These beliefs are primitive, and slowly being washed away into our shallow pasts. Believers in hell and eternal torture for homosexuals, or anyone for that matter will be washed away along with their beliefs and will innevitably be considered irrelevant and inapplicable to any decision made by society.
As children have access to information faster and sooner, generation after generation religion will have a harder time convince them of rediculous ideas like eternal torture in hell. cmon christians, you can feel it in your hearts, hell for anyone is just wrong in every way, hating gays is wrong, you know it. How can you deny that to yourself, its a crime!
Why are you so concerned about the possible discrimination that the person may face from theists and not the genital mutilation they experienced at the hands of the medical establishment that can't suffer a person to be a mutant freak?
If you're born with ambiguous genitals a doctor is going to chop something off or close something up and it's not because god told them to do it. You'll just have to figure things out later as you try to navigate the rest of your life without your working sex organs, and at that point what some mouth-breathers think about you, or which bathroom you feel like you should use will be the least of your worries.
There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft
Im concerned with both ofcoarse, its a complicated subject, i cant tell parents what to choose for their children, how they want to approach a hermaphrodite child, that will always be their choice not mine. I think if its a natural occurance, and if its not harmful to the person it should be left alone, and society should eccept and never ridicule those persons just like they should except homosexuals, all races, little people, siamese twins, etc... We shouldnt try to genetically change the possibily for little people to have little people children, becuase their is nothing wrong with little people. Their is nothing wrong with hermaphrodites either, and no action should be taken to change who they are or who they become but by themsleves.
Okay, well it's good that you're concerned with both, but I think it can't be stressed enough that one of these grave injustices has actually occured and not been rectified, and was the reason for the person being on Mary Pauvich in the first place.
The other injustice is hypothetical, and for all we know most religious people could be sympathetic. People with religious affiliations seem to be given to a wide variety of prejudices. I don't deny that, but I'm not sure if it's safe to assume which prejudices they have.
Perhaps religious people think that a hermaphrodite should be forced to express one sex which would only place them on par with the rest of society including the doctors that butchered the person apparently. So why should we think about religious people being any worse in their discrimination of this group or single out the prejudices of theists in this case?
There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft
I didnt see the hole skit, i didnt hear anything about what exactly they had done with her genitals (cut off or closed up) just that they had raised her to be female, (clothes, toys, telling her thats what she is, etc...) But yes i could say with strong conviction that if i had a child that was a hermaphrodite, and the doctors said their was no serious health risk or harm in the way the current genetals are forming, i would leave them alone until my child grew into who he/she decided to become, then if they chose to take a knife to their own genitals, i would support them either way. I would be open/honest with my child, and stand behind them all the way.
That would be the enitre point of this posted topic as you can clearly see, i am asking any theists that are ani-gay to tell me what they believes. So i can better understand the issue, i made no assumtions in my original question that all theists believe that homosexuals are going to hell, but many do ofcoarse.
well said but in no way did i state in my question this mutulation has happened, that is really an entirely different issue and one certainly worth discussing, and i agree with you mostly on. But what im refering to ofcaorse if the religious connection between sin and homosexuality and the glitch that are the hermaphrodites in the law. Debating wether or not parents and doctors should have the right to chose to and mutulate the genitals of a child is an entire different subject. Would be a good one to post, sometimes a good old non-religous topic is refreshing!!!
You know, like why are there no examples of the non meat-eating version of T Rex ( with the appropriate dentition ) that must have existed before the curse of predation and death was so illogically thrust upon the animal kingdom ?
I see. So you've traveled back in time and know without a doubt that an extinct animal was a meat eater? Or are you just guessing? Just sayin'
Take the case that HambyDammnit is running with. He/she apparently has both sets of equipment. So her/his father thinks that he can brand him/her as gay for deciding to pick one set over the other?
I thought I already answered that. I don't think that it's a sin; it's only a sin in the father's mind because the father wanted to raise the child as the other sex. When someone has both cajones, it's difficult to judge gay or straight; I think that that is between the individual and God.
So how do you judge when a person with AIS is gay or straight?
Hmmmm.... I think the real question is, Are you asking this to increase your knowledge of theology, or are you asking this to trip me up and make me look stupid? The truth is, I don't know the answer to that question, nor do I even know where to begin in a case like that.
I wonder what the gay community would have to say about you claiming it a perversion. So ofcoarse we can see clearly by your opening and closing statement alone that you are the pompouss ass, i love all people you exclude most. I win!!!
I don't particularly care what the gay community thinks of me calling it a perversion. What they do in their bedroom is a perversion of the created order; I and other theists have been claiming that for a long time. It doesn't seem to bother them, because they continue to do what they do.
It's statements like that that win the pompous ass award. Claiming victory on the misunderstood basis that I exclude gay people. Apparently, you haven't read my other writings on the topic, which is fine. I didn't actually expect you to.
No im asserting it because its valid and relevant and i would like to hear the people with a more well thought up awnser than they're are greys because we sinned, perversions of the fallen world told about in your holy book. That wont do ofcoarse, surely you can see how it never will. I dont need anyone to puff my feathers thank you, they are already full bodied and lusciously thick.
The problem is that you're not asking the question to increase your knowledge. You're only asking it to make yourself look smart. Then you dismiss my perfectly valid answer as "It won't do." I expected nothing less.
It's interesting that you say that you would never hate a decent, moral human being. Can you find one? Someone who has never violated a law or a principle, someone who is pure and just always? Because such an ideal doesn't exist. Everyone has done something wrong in their lives. The fact that anyone is a decent moral being is a myth. We all have our shortcomings, we all do things that violate moral principles. Me too!
This means that everyone is deserving of God's wrath. Since hell is your hobby horse, I'll just say it: ALL OF US DESERVE HELL. It is only by the grace of God that anyone is going to get to heaven.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. --Galileo Galilei
Really??? So whats the argument, that the obviously carnivorous teeth of the T-rex and the matching tooth marks in the fossil records of its prey were put their by your god?????
Convenient.
No im asking this to increase my knowledge on your perception of theology, and your doing that on your own refer to quote #1 for evidence of you looking stupid.
You dont seem to know many things about your own beliefs.
Im straight, but on behalf of the entire gay comunity and all who support them, FUCK YOU!!!
Why would I be interested in looking smart when being smart is so much funner for me.
What??? Are you insane??? How about my 3 year old niece for starters for your definition of immoral principal/law violation, shes immoral? My rational morals and principals are much different than your illogical ones, so i would argue that their are many people i would view as good moral people i wish only good things upon. These perfect idealistic people you speak of, what a creepy world that would be, a bunch a perfect people who make no mistakes EVER, ewwwwwww!
Dude your nuts.
And then there's other theists, like this guy :
http://thewildreed.blogspot.com/2008/02/debunking-narth.html
http://thewildreed.blogspot.com/2008/03/debunking-narth-part-ii.html
Well, you can't really blame them for not caring. Anti-gay theists who get caught doing...pro-gay things, only have to ask for forgiveness, and they're back in the club.
Hmmmm, and you traveled back in time and saw God create Adam and Eve ?
( Thankfully at least we have physical evidence when it comes to the T-Rex. ps, please tell me you aren't suggesting that T-Rex was a herbivore. lol )
Ahhh Cory you have a fellow Christian here on the forum who goes by the name of BADWAY. Please dialog with him regarding this so-called "created order", I believe you'll find him to be ......interesting.
Ya Cory T this is a real foot in the mouther for you. mmm... how does it taste.
Ahh yes Badway, the self-loathing Christian cross dresser with a sense of humor vs Cory-T the anti gay-theist who thinks the T-rex could have been a herbivore.. Yes, this would be a great discussion, i will start a post for this now.
If any time is deserving of this, it is now.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
Agreed.
I was going away for awhile and finally found the topic in question as NMCP referred for me earlier.
First of all
It bothers me when a word gets bastardized and conformed to have a different meaning than its original context was meant.
Gay means happy and I want the word back. It does not mean homosexual, it was not to mean homosexual and for the record there are a lot of homosexuals who don't feel all that happy.
Secondly, Sodom and Gomorrah had a whole lot more sin going on than just homosexuality! These were places that were so wicked and evil that God had to destroy those places because there were none that were good in those cities. Lot and his wife couldn't find 10 people to spare the fates of those cities. America is fast becoming like S&G but there is still enough good people to spare us for the time being. But God is letting His presence be known with the increase of Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Floods etc.
Does God have a problem with Homosexuality, only because the plan consists of us to procreate and multiply. But for those who have a biological, psychological or physiological defect that would cause them to take up such proclivity then as a Christian/Elohimian(My Term) it is our duty not only to not judge ones behavior but to understand it is not necessarily a choice like say bisexuality is!
No one just wakes up and says I want stick something in my anus today because I love it when my butt hurts! There is a deeper issue to that that only God understands. Yes it is not in the natural order of things but God isn't asking you basically whether or not your chosing to be a homosexual...but rather whether or not you choose to be straight. That's a little different. Why? Because God knows like in the issue of an hermorphadite, that person didn't chose his/her body so it is not their fault. Even if they are a product of sin or born into it as we say!
There was story a while back of a child with the same problem. Both parts and his parents tried to raise him as a girl but in his mind he felt he was a boy. Long story short by the time he was 14 he killed himself. Most Christians would say he was going to Hell because he took his own life. I disagree STRONGLY. What kind of God would allow a person to suffer this issue then condemn him because he didn't have no one to turn to. Couldn't go to his parents, they think he should be a girl, can't go to friends, one cause they can't relate and two he didn't have many if any. Church, really, they think he's a freak and don't know enough on the subject to give him advice because he is kind of in a catch 22 so to speak.
Judge not, it's that simple
Don't even be surprised if you see Judas in Heaven but that's another topic. I'll explain that later.
In conclusion my idea of God is that He is real but not this maniacal blood thirsty diety that So called Christians make Him out to be....And if he would condemn that 14 year old boy to Hell for that,then I have let it be known this Is not a God i want to serve.
This is a Christian/Elohimian (my term) that thinks outside of traditional theological parameters in search of a Truth that no man can argue or debate..
God loves all
if He doesn't then the bible would be a lie. It isn't even if there may be alleged errors in the book. If they are then they are human errors not God's.
The difference between the Bible and the Koran(Qu'ran) is that the latter was supposedly given to Muhammed by Gabriel and what was told was written word for word and has not been adulterated or altered since it came into existence. But,Islam does have its mistakes as well!
The Bible was written by men and some of the authors may have added there own 2 cents to try and force people into one form or another by scare tactics...that doesn't help us in our quest to deliver new souls To God if they have to worry about hell fire, brimstone, eternal damnation.
We as a people didn't ask to be here...we should be thankful we are..this is kind of a neat place..I could only imagine what paradise must be like...which makes me wonder maybe that's why we go through what we go through here so that we may appreciate paradise that much more when it arrives...
Okay that wasn't 2 cents more like a buck fifty...oh well now g'bye!
"They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...I must be going to Heaven because I don't have any good intentions.".BADWAY
Actually it is meant to say, "Your idea of a loving creator-being is ridiculous and contradictory, because he is either an idiot or an asshole."
Lol. God: "Sorry my flawed understanding of genetics made your sexuality ambiguous...and, that whole thing where I told my followers to murder you? No hard feelings, just business, right? I'll forgive everyone for doing what they think I might have told them to do, so I don't really care what kind of shitty life I gave you, suck it up!"
"What you have to remember is that in my fantasy land of assumptions, I make up excuses to justify any behavior my deity acts out, no matter how heinous and disgusting!"
1. God creates man
2. Man follows nature granted by god, breaks arbitrary law, 'sins'
3. God punishes man, curses him
4. Man is born with physical flaw that god identifies as sin, due to curse of god
5. Self-righteous theist defends god by blaming man
Ah, the circle of life.
Every time I listen to what comes out of a fundamentalists mouth I want to go back in time and kick myself in the balls for once professing the same kind of ridiculous crap I am now subjected to.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
I couldn't fit homosexual in the title or I would have used the proper word.
Ya Lot was such a good guy he ended up getting waisted and fucking his daughters. What do have to say about that BADWAY.
Ok BADWAY, all bets are off after that one, your a FUCKING PRICK! How dare you say that tsunami's (earthequakes etc..) are gods will. Are you saying all 250,000 poeple in Southeast Asia who died in the tsunami were bad and deserved to be killed women childrem and all, left to decay and rot in piles of thousands of bodies, YOU SICK FUCK!!! Do you have any proof at all that natural disasters have increase recently, NO!!! Because they havent, i have no respect at all for this idiot after this comment. FUCK OFF!!!
Refer to your last comment for evidence of gods love, prick!!!
Please tell me your actually leaving, i can smell your sick, twisted, idiocracy from here, and its putrid!!!
I think, to believe that homosexuality is a sin, like Cory T, it's more convenient that there is a dichotomy between male and female. If there is too much ambiguity, they are left, as Christians often are, with the intellectual cop-out that only God knows their fates.
But, I wonder, isn't this rather unfair to the hermaphrodite? Unless God explicitly told them what gender they've been assigned, I don't see any reliable way for them to determine if they were sinning or not. Sigh....
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Yea, except he just said we shouldn't expect god to bother explaining himself on non-standard cases.
Again and again the objective observer can see that morality is clearly secular. Again and again we see theists torturing their interpretations of their divinely inspired documents to let themselves sleep at night.
At least I can respect ultra-orthodox Jews and Muslims, although even they abandon much of their law.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
Cory,
After being here this long and cross-posting to your 'ministries' blog, you'd think you would have gotten a clue that we don't have to try to 'make you look stupid' or 'trip you up'. You do a fine job on your lonesome.
Perhaps this thread will find its way to JCM or is it too much?
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I wasn't planning on posting this thread on JCM. I'm trying to go for more intellectual content. Hermaphrodite homosexuality is an obvious waste of everyone's time. I don't even know why I posted anything, since I knew that it would be summarily dismissed by the crowds.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. --Galileo Galilei
Considering the source, you insignificent piece of cowdung! You want to have of war of words you two bit colonic twit!
Okay!
First of all you little spineless primordial sap sucker, you prove my point all the time.
Always taking things or making things to fit your premise because you can not prove your theory of God's nonexistence but yet your an authority on God's word...what an idiot literally.
Did Lot have sex with his daughters before or after the destruction.
Ham supposedly had sex with his dad Noah..okay
David sent Bathsheba's husband to the front line to get killed so he could have her for himself!What?
Peter denied Jesus 3 times to save his own skin and he saw the Messiah perform these wonderful miracles including walking on water!
You could point out all the bad things you little pissant but you miss the point entirely.
Most ignorant atheists usually do!
The entire Bible, you moronic bipolar mucus muncher, is about REDEMPTION!
The whole Bible is about man making mistakes even sick ones like you and I mentioned. However, THAT,you idiot is precisely why the Messiah came into this world to deliver us from the bondage of SIN.
I wasn't suggesting for one minute you fruit of the loom anal residue that it was Gods will for the events I mentioined, but you need to read the book of Revelation and understand it mentioned all of this and that it would increase in the last days. There would be wars and rumours of wars and seasons would lose there distinction. Fall would seem like summer and spring like winter. Pay attention to the weather at all. I doubt you do from all the pocket hockey you do in your spare time...because you probably still leave with your momma and when your not taking out the trash and mowing the lawn your in your bedroom downloading images of naked poodles for your dogs.
I don't give a rat's rectum if you think I'm a sick prick,you platypus turd,because what you smell is your own filth so take a bath. I may be homeless but I bet I take better care of myself than you do scrotum breath!
I told you I don't turn the other cheek so readily bro. And your assinine comments are more suitable at a Look at Me I'm stupid pageant for the metaphysically challenged.
Why don't you pull up the weather for the last 30 years and see if there hasn't been an increase in severe Hurricanes, Tornadoes, earthquakes , etc...dude it's late but me and you ain't done the war is on ...you picked it and singled me out so be prepared to be embarrassed in front of your RRS degenerate atheist hit squad friends! This cheek will not turn for you brother. I am not going to spare the proverbial rod on your buttocks...believe that!!!!!!!
"They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...I must be going to Heaven because I don't have any good intentions.".BADWAY
Who are you talking to?
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
I usually try to at least make a point when responding to posts. I will make an exception this time though, because, really....what can you say?
So....
rofl, he's going to rod your buttocks. I thought they weren't supposed to do that?
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
Maybe he went to Cory T's site and saw the NARTH link.
My comment for the uninformed is for NoMoreCrazyPeople......I'm waiting
He called me a sick @#$% so let's go bro.....I'll even let you spend time at the library to work on your linguistical argument!
Your a loquacious lacking lethargic lab rat!!! at best
Still love you though and I forgive you...but don't get it twisted your still getting a spiritual beat down!
And again,AGAIN, A G A I N, I AM NOT YOUR TYPICAL CHRISTIAN/ELOHIMIAN (My term)
so don't try to constrict me with to the same precepts held by other believers...I am a renegade but a Christian renegade nonetheless!!!!
"They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...I must be going to Heaven because I don't have any good intentions.".BADWAY
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
You look like you got offended ...are you homosexual....your pic looks like you got a cucumber stuck in your bum...
really the only intelligent thing you could come up with is @#%$ you.
Did you even goto school ?
What is your problem geranium head? You and NMCP Name Means Complete Psycho!!!! are truly idiots.
Don't like it when a Christian isn't afraid to fight back...you hate that don't you....2BAD
"They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...I must be going to Heaven because I don't have any good intentions.".BADWAY
That's nice, Kev. I was wondering if you've ever disagreed (STRONGLY) about this kind of thing on a christian forum.
If not, then why not ? If yes, then can I have a link, please ?
My debate is with atheists not theists on this site...any debates I have with theists will be between me and them but I prefer to have those in person!
"They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...I must be going to Heaven because I don't have any good intentions.".BADWAY
I see. So you've never taken your personal brand of christianity to a christian forum. Figures.
You should really try that someday. It would be a very educational experience.
Thank you for your honest answer.
Honestly, I should find it as hard to believe that I'm responding to you as ...well, you've been waiting for this haven't you?
Where do I start?
Fuck you. It was the simplest way, actually, to get across to you a point. I don't like you, BADWAY. At least, I don't like what you've written. Any of it. That's my problem. I don't like that most of it is unintelligible. I don't like that I have to decode your ostensibly inane ramblings only to find that most of your ramblings are actually inane (to say nothing about their relevance or meaning). I don't like responding to what you've written, when you've written anything worth responding to, only to have to repeat myself in subsequent responses to virtually identical inanity. Should I go to the trouble of writing a thought out response to what we all know is only your witless attempt at provocation and otherwise what you think is actually intelligent discourse? I'm doing it right now, dammit! And what do I get out of this? There's little satisfaction in knowing that my complete and coherent sentences are actually relevant and thought out responses to what you've posted.
So, to answer two of your other questions, I am gay and I have gone to school. Of course, your questions must have been rhetorical; mere insults. I've written pages in response to your intellectually void posts and my sexuality is as unimportant as whether you've ever donned a dress. Don't think you've fought back, BADWAY. You should know that I do like it when Christians 'fight back'. I enjoy a meaningful conversation and exchange of ideas. I like to debate. You're not fighting back, you're flinging insults and you've not posted a single significantly intellectual response to anything anyone has posted in this forum. I don't hate that. I hate to have wasted my time.
I'd be glad to see you go. I'd be happy to see you banned. For now, let's dissect the post that prompted my elegant summation of all I would otherwise have said.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
" ad infinitum.
Or maybe nauseam. I'm not sure anymore at this point.
"They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...I must be going to Heaven because I don't have any good intentions.".BADWAY
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Not going to read my answers to your diatribe? My Rebuttals not good for you? Well at least I tried to be nice in the end after all isn't that where you like it...in the end..sorry I couldn't resist...I am childish....but you make it so easy bro/sis!!!!
"They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...I must be going to Heaven because I don't have any good intentions.".BADWAY
Let's respond to your latest post now.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."