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I know I can't say for sure that "there are no deities" but can we deduce which ones we know don't exist?
Posted on: November 12, 2009 - 8:50am
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I know I can't say for sure that "there are no deities" but can we deduce which ones we know don't exist?
Like Zues, Thor, Allah, etc.?
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If we are all "equal" in the eyes of Jesus, how can it be a woman's role to be led by the man, and a man's role to lead the woman? Those are not the same, and they certainly don't have an equivalence of any sort. You might get away with claiming that one role isn't superior to another, but you can't claim they are equal.
And while I'm in the neighborhood, if "there is no male or female", there is also no Christian basis for hating up on gays and lesbians. According to you, Jesus can't tell the difference.
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
Is a higher-ranking soldier better than a low-ranking one? Of course not. We can be equal in dignity and separate and roles, even if those roles include leadership. The wife can choose not to marry if she wants, it's not forced submission.
You are right with your second point. There is absolutely no basis to hate homosexuals, anyone doing so is wrong. Homosexuality is clearly identified as a sin in the Torah as well as the New Testament, so we should agree that if there is a problem with the law, you will need to take it up with God, not us.
Speaking Truth in love,
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ..." - Paul to the Corinthians
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Christian | Amaterialist | Supernaturalist | Anti-Crypto-Theist
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Facts do not speak for themselves.
By DEFINITION, a higher ranking soldier and a lower ranking soldier are not equals. The passage doesn't say "Equal ... in this way that isn't really significant". That's a Christian interpolation of a Jewish concept. We're all "b'tzelem Elokim", not "White skin good, Black skin bad" or "Penis good, vagina bad." Christians invented that interpolation because it made Christianity work better with the Roman state.
Would that be the same "sin" as eating pork, shell fish, bugs, wild game (not slaughtered correctly), wearing garments of mixed fibers, planting gardens with mixed seeds, etc?
Homosexuality made it into the "Things Christians really hate" list because Romans were much more intolerant of homosexuality than, say, the Greeks. And if the relationship between David and Jonathan didn't have homoerotic aspects, I'd like you to explain the texts.
FWIW, "Wives be submissive to your husbands" is also evidence of Roman corruption of Jewish law.
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
@Furry
“Christians invented that interpolation because it made Christianity work better with the Roman state.”
Well that type of unjust assertion awards you the burden of proof, so please back this statement up. The Roman view of women is quite lower than equal to man.
“Would that be the same "sin" as eating pork, shell fish, bugs, wild game (not slaughtered correctly), wearing garments of mixed fibers, planting gardens with mixed seeds, etc?”
For a Jew, you seem to be quite ignorant of Jewish law and the concept of God’s covenants. Those are referring to ceremonial cleanliness. God people are no longer required to be ceremonially clean, because we are no longer required to partake in those ceremonies. There is a new covenant.
Speaking Truth in love,
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ..." - Paul to the Corinthians
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Christian | Amaterialist | Supernaturalist | Anti-Crypto-Theist
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Facts do not speak for themselves.
(double post)