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Offline Hambydammit wrote:You are a moron. And obviously you don't see wild animals very often. I will tell you what is sucky. It's that tards like you are moderators on this forum.I wonder how many PETA members have actually observed animals in the wild. For the most part, animals die horrible deaths in the wild. Either they're eaten by predators, starve to death, die of dehydration, or maybe they break a leg, get a disease, or something else.
How sucky must it be to be a gazelle who's dying of thirst, and be faced with two choices: Die a painful death, or drink shit-filled muddy water from a pool filled with starving crocodiles?
How much better is that then getting food every day, vet care, and having your balls cut off? Personally, I think domesticated animals have it better.
Living in northern British Columbia, I see plenty of wild animals. When they die, it's generally not very pretty. The options tend to be along the lines of getting torn apart by predators , starving to death, or lingering disease. Nature is not gentle and sweet but, rather, "red in tooth and claw". A modern slaughterhouse looks pretty good by comparison.
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Offline dingusdangus wrote:Hambydammit wrote:You are a moron. And obviously you don't see wild animals very often. I will tell you what is sucky. It's that tards like you are moderators on this forum.I wonder how many PETA members have actually observed animals in the wild. For the most part, animals die horrible deaths in the wild. Either they're eaten by predators, starve to death, die of dehydration, or maybe they break a leg, get a disease, or something else.
How sucky must it be to be a gazelle who's dying of thirst, and be faced with two choices: Die a painful death, or drink shit-filled muddy water from a pool filled with starving crocodiles?
How much better is that then getting food every day, vet care, and having your balls cut off? Personally, I think domesticated animals have it better.
Living in northern British Columbia, I see plenty of wild animals. When they die, it's generally not very pretty. The options tend to be along the lines of getting torn apart by predators , starving to death, or lingering disease. Nature is not gentle and sweet but, rather, "red in tooth and claw". A modern slaughterhouse looks pretty good by comparison.
nevermind dingus. he was a troll and i believe he's long gone.
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Ecoterorrists, bullies, counter-productive, and stupid. That's what peta is.
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I agree PETA is stupid. The SPCA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) is far better... well I guess it would be the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) in england but as we rejected the queen a while back our version lacks the R. Point is There are many other organisations that do a far better job.
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Where do I sign?
PETA wants to set all animals free... Just my opinion, but I think that if domesticated animals were given the choice, they would probably choose to stay in our comfortable homes. I can visualize the poodles with picket signs now.
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I wonder how many PETA members have actually observed animals in the wild. For the most part, animals die horrible deaths in the wild. Either they're eaten by predators, starve to death, die of dehydration, or maybe they break a leg, get a disease, or something else.
How sucky must it be to be a gazelle who's dying of thirst, and be faced with two choices: Die a painful death, or drink shit-filled muddy water from a pool filled with starving crocodiles?
How much better is that then getting food every day, vet care, and having your balls cut off? Personally, I think domesticated animals have it better.
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I agree with you man, the way we kill animals before we eat them is far better than the way a wolf would go about eating a deer. It would bite it's neck, tear off slabs of meat while the damn thing is crying out for help, no, that's far better than cutting the bloody thing's head off then eating it.
"I do not think it is necessary to believe that the same God who has given us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use, giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through them." ~Galileo Galilei
I've read some stories of PETA stalking chefs who serve fois gras one chef in San Francisco was sent a video tape of his own family playing in their back yard. I'm not a fan of PETA of the under-handed crap and bullying they do.
The SPCA is an animal welfare organization that I fully support. PETA on the other hand ....
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I've always wondered what would happen to all the domesticated farm animals if we stopped eating them and using their products.
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I can't really think of any reason to care about what happens to domestic animals. Sure, I have a empathetic response to animal suffering, but morally I can't think of any reason why it matters besides personal emotional discomfort. I mean, come on, we happily kill them in the millions every day but get sqeamish if one of them 'suffers' and we can see it?
I guess it seems like hypocricy. I can understand full on veganism/PETA membership, etc. If you decide that animals have 'rights' then that can be logically carried out. But I don't see how you can fight for animal rights while you wear their skin and feast on their flesh.
I guess I just draw a hard line between humans and other critters. Being nice to humans is good because it helps assure I will be treated nicely. Being nice to my own animals gives me a nice fuzzy feeling, but if someone, somewhere, tortures a million non-pet cows/cats/horses/dogs to death and eats them how does that hurt me (besides any envoronmental concern in raising beef) or anyone? The only negative I see is the emotional response people get when they hear about those acts...on the radio in line at McDonalds to get some chicken nuggets and a burger.
(I have lots of cats, two dogs, and am a huge softy about animals)
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Barring a massive amount of money, they would all be destroyed. It costs a lot to feed them, the avian varieties can't take care of themselves and there is not enough open pasture land to support the bovines, and they would destroy ecosystems if simply set free.
Of course, there would still be plenty kept as pets, 4-H critters, etc.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
I've always wanted to walk my dog down to PETA headquarters with a bucket of Kentucky Fried and sit down across the street eating chicken with my dog. Do you know that PETA even disapproves of feeding meat to animals. I suppose that once they've successfully stopped every man woman and child in the world from following their instinct to consume meat, they will have their sights set on ending carnivorous behavior in the animal kingdom.
I'm also a deer hunter. Sure I feel some remorse for taking the life of the deer. I enjoy my life and I believe the deer enjoys being alive as well. However, I also understand my place in the world. Many people want to remove the human species from the animal kingdom. Perhaps it their belief in god that gives them the audacity to place our species above all others, but in any event, some people don't see that we are intricately connected to the rest of the world. We are a part of the food chain. Some scientist believe that our evolution into intelligent beings could have resulted from our ability to eat meat. (I saw a documentary once in which the idea was put forth). So, no, I don't reject, my meat eating ways or my predatory behavior. I embrace them as aspects of my humanity.
If PETA is successful, the very sanctity of mankind may be altered.
If we as humans stop eating meat it won't be much of a big deal, but if PETA starts going at other carnivores everything will slowly go extinct. PETA could cause the end of the world. Figgen bastards.
"I do not think it is necessary to believe that the same God who has given us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use, giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through them." ~Galileo Galilei
If we are talking about what PETA wants to happen, then no. PETA is against pet ownership as much as they are against any form of meat consumption and animal medical research. These people will never get their way, but if they did there would have to be extinction of many forms of domesticated animals.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
I like PETA for some of what it does.
But yeah, they don't want any domesticated animals. I don't agree with them, but I approve of some things they do and think they are important.
Exposing problems in the food industry helps improve it. I am always for tastier and a better quality standard of food.
Even if that isn't their intention, it is what they end up doing. I'm content with that.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
Man, I dislike Feminists as much as PETA. Feminists were good back in the day when they were pretty much forced to be housewives and did not have the right to vote, but now they're just selfish brats. They have NO less rights than any man, hell they might have even more. For every "OMGSODEGRADING" thing there is for a woman, men do it too. Ever hear of gay porn?
I hate stupid people...
Actually everything is summed up right in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt_0ko4njmc
"I do not think it is necessary to believe that the same God who has given us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use, giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through them." ~Galileo Galilei
while almost everybody agrees that peta's philosophy is fucked up, i think what most people take issue with are their methods: harassment, stalking, assault, funding terrorists, and taking advantage of stupid and gullible hippies and celebrities to appear like just any other activist group. if all they did was picket and file lawsuits, i wouldn't have any problem with them.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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I believe PETA has spoken on this before... if im not mistaken, they plan to kill them all, to prevent further suffering, to those species that cannot survive in the wild... of course i have no link to back up such a statement
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But those are the parts I like about them :<
They don't have a way to file lawsuit either, as they are not personally at a loss by the situation. The best they could do is try to organize a class action every time from the public, and get people in on it.
Which is a lot less effective since the company will settle and continue doing what they were doing.
Lawsuits are mostly worthless today. Corporations have insurance to cover payment of them, and expect them. It is already in the budget.
People have to be ballsy to get things done. They are. While they will likely never accomplish what they actually seek to do, they do cause ACTUAL CHANGES in the way our food gets to us, improving it's quality and our safety.
I may not agree with their agenda but I agree with the results their pursuit of it.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
I must disagree, lawsuits are not worthless... Right now in south Africa animal rights activists are trying to stop a zulu custom of killing a bull.
During a festival young zulu "warriors" kill a bull with there bare hands (no weapons allowed, btw the bull is tied up beforehand). The animal rights activists have taken this to court to have it classed as animal abuse. If it is classed animal abuse them it will be stoped... that is far more effective than throwing cows blood on the Zulu royalty.
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
That sounds like something that would need to be legislated in the states. I don't see how someone could file a lawsuit for it.
Animal abuse laws are INCREDIBLY lax in the states. Maybe it is different there. Here hardly anyone cares.
But what I'm primarily talking about is our food sources.
Besides the fact that most of what happens with our food is behind closed doors, and they manage to always get video of our mega-meat-industries at work, which they make public.
I don't know or care about "throwing blood" or anything like that. That is pointless to me. Exposing parts of the food industry has value though, because it gets things improved.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
so we are in agreement?
exposing = good
blood throwing = mildly entertaining but bad.
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Mmm yes exposing. Exposing is good.
Exposing.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
I get the safety issue, but that is so far from PETAs main goal I really don't see how you can argue the organization has merit based on an incidiental behavior they happen to cause. Their goal is not to increase food safety, it is to eliminate meat and animal consumption wholesale.
There are other, more focused organizations you could support that only go after food safety issues. I don't like PETA because they humanize non-humans and dictate their personal morality by force.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
Let me (half-seriously) apply some gun-owner logic to this:
If PETA wants my parents to not be allowed to own a dog, why don't they try and take that 110lb german shepherd away and see how well that works out.
Just try and take it away, PETA.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
they will. they'll fuckin' shoot it and turn it into a martyr--"it's better off dead than in captivity" and all that bullfuck. fuckin' hypocritical shits.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
absolutely beautiful canine, btw.
He's a sweet looking guy.
On a much less humorous note: PETA kills many stray pets every year. Their policy is to collect strays and kill them all. If my parents' dog ran away and was picked up by PETA members, she would be killed by them.
Forgive the poor source, but here is an incident that I have read about on real newspapers:
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAanimalpeople.htm
A better source on the same illegal mass killing of cats and dogs and the illegal dumping of the corpses by PETA members:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-158099194/peta-trial-opens-animal.html
Their definition of 'ethical treatement' is very different than most people's. Ironically PETA ran an add campaign comparing factory farming to Nazi concentration camps. All the while their policy is to kill most animals that they pick up. I guess that they don't see the connection.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
...This has little to do with PETA, but I've always thought this line of reasoning was bullshit.
By this same argument, all human beings would be better off locked-up in prison. No more risk of being killed or maimed in a car wreck, no more risk of being burglarized or beaten with the suspect escaping free of consequence, nor more risk of losing your job, no more risk of... well, having to live out your life.
I prefer being given the dignity of assuming some risk in exchange for some liberty, and I can't imagine why a cow, sheep or pig would not.
Household pets are another matter. If anything, there needs to be a liberation front trying to rescue the hapless 'pet owners' from the iron fisted dictatorships and brainwashing imposed on them by their cats & dogs. Don't let those fleeting moments of soft fuzziness cloud your mind - they are only offered to further entangle you in their web!
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
... Maybe because they have no idea what things like liberty or dignity even are?
Unless of course the entire comment was sarcastic... but I can't tell.
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I guess you can call killing them in large numbers setting them free, but for some reason, I don't think that's a "free" that the animals would want..
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Sorry, but for most domestic animals, freedom is death. I've had too many kittens dumped on my doorstep just to die after I've tried to save them for me to get dewy-eyed about freedom for all animals. There isn't enough food in the wild. Think about it - what industry sells billions of pounds of food every year? And where would the animal get that food if not from humans? How many hundreds of millions of pets (and that is just in the U.S.) would be suddenly loosed in the wild to try and find food? How many more hundreds of millions of domesticated farm animals? Would you like to try to get to work through 20,000 chickens (that would be a smallish operation)? How about having them decide to roost on your doorstep?
Have you ever watched a pet die from distemper or pneumonia or rabies? It isn't pretty. Without vaccinations, death. Parasites? Ever seen a cat attempt to literally scratch their ears off from the irritation brought on by ear mites? Ever had a dog covered in ticks? Lyme disease strikes dogs, too. You think these problems are brought about by pet ownership? Think again. Ask the fish and wildlife, animal control, or humane society people about the number of documented dead wild animals in your local area (including in your town or city). Then ask about causes of death.
Then there is behaviors. Most domestic animals do not know how to hunt and how to avoid predators. Did you know that big cats raised in captivity can NOT be released to the wild and survive? Not ever. Not one documented case. They die very quickly. Poor Willy the killer whale is just one more example. Once an animal is habituated to humans, especially from a young age, they have a hard time in the wild and it is often impossible for them to ever adjust to freedom.
It is cruel to advocate freedom for all animals. I do not like or advocate factory farming and some of the disgusting practices employed in some operations. I do not like or advocate some of the practices of private pet owners - puppy mills, dog fights, abuse and neglect. None of these practices are right. But just turning them all loose is short sighted and cruel. Better to educate the ignorant and put the bad actors out of business. Get the animals somewhere where they will be cared for properly and not abused.
PETA has a lot of members who seem to be ignorantly cruel. Think about this. Humans domesticated these animals. Humans created the demand and so the factory farms and the puppy mills. Humans should take responsibility for their actions and practice responsible husbandry. Just like having and raising a human child. You did it. Now suck it up and face the consequences. It may be at some point in the future, all animals can be free. But it shouldn't happen because some idiot turned loose animals with no clue how to feed or care for themselves into the vacant lot next to the offending facility.
PS - we rescue primarily Australian Shepards and are affiliated with a national Aussie rescue organization. I have no love for cruel, ignorant people who get a dog and have no clue how to care for the dog. I have also seen many a dog that tried to make it on their own for weeks or months. I have experience in rehabilitating these dogs - vet care, grooming, bringing them back from starvation. Some are better at surviving than others. Some never fully recover. A lot of them end up road kill. Trust me, they were not having fun out on their own.
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Just to be fair and objective about this dogs can be completely vegetarian and very healthy as I've seen a massive German Shepard that was totally vegetarian. Can't need taurine which can only be found in meat but it can be supplemented. It's just that people who don't like meat don't want to feed it to their pets either. PETA is NOT saying animals in the wild can't eat meat!
That is just a theory about the meat-brain connection but NO evidence to back it up. If anything it's the other way around since your brain runs on CARBS which is why people on that mostly meat Atkins diet have a hard time thinking since they don't get enough carbs. Even Oprah said that when she tried the Atkins diet. She couldn't focus or concentrate properly.
Even Dr.Oz, President Bill Clinton's heart surgeon, said BLUEBERRIES are the best brain food not any kind of animal food.
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PETA is probably funded by Monsanto.
Because 80% of our seeds come from there??
But PETA is against anyone ever owning any animal or any animal being in any form of captivity. PETA doesn't want veggie dogs or care that dogs like meat. PETA wants dogs and housecats to be extinct.
When people say that meat eating was required to grow large brains, they aren't talking about keeping your brain healthy. They are talking about what kinds of nutrients are required to grow a large brain. Blueberries don't help you grow a brain. They only help you maintain the health of an already grown brain. That mass of cholesterol in your head wasn't grown from the nutrients found in berries.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
Funny. Yeah, dogs can be vegetarians, after they are all grown up drinking mama's very-non-vegetarian-high-cholesterol-all-natural breast milk.
I get a kick teasing the kids at the natural health food store. I like this store. The produce department is a work of art. The meat counter sells the only ground lamb in town from grass fed local animals. Pricey, but good. But the vegetarian free range chickens crack me up.
You see, we used to grow our own chickens for eggs and for meat. We used "chicken tractors", a low cage that is about 10x3x2 feet high. Holds 10-12 birds - they are covered and protected from sun and rain - the bottom is open so they can scratch and have access to grass. The "tractor" is designed to be moved often so they have fresh grass - and snails, and slugs, and snakes, and rats. "Wait!!", you say. "RATS???" Yep. Chickens will eat anything that is smaller or about the same size as they are, including rats. Now, I confess, I have seen them eat the snails and snakes, but I didn't actually watch the rat get eaten. When we checked them in the evening, no rats in the cage, no rat holes in the cage. Next morning, there was a new rat hole and a new dead, pretty pecked over rat, not much left but the bones. No missing chickens, no injured chickens. Chickens are not vegetarian. The kids at the health food store get green when I tell them this. I am not a kind person sometimes.
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"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
Now you really should not have said that there is not even one documented case. There are in fact two that I happen to know of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsa_the_Lioness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_the_lion
But yah, I would assume that it is a pretty rare thing.
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Now you really should not have said that there is not even one documented case. There are in fact two that I happen to know of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsa_the_Lioness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_the_lion
But yah, I would assume that it is a pretty rare thing.
Set me straight. Thanks.
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