Origins of life: Generating RNA in warm water

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Origins of life: Generating RNA in warm water


ScienceDaily (Nov. 25, 2009) — A key question in the origin of biological molecules like RNA and DNA is how they first came together billions of years ago from simple precursors. Researchers in Italy have reconstructed one of the earliest evolutionary steps yet: generating long chains of RNA from individual subunits using nothing but warm water.

Many researchers believe that RNA was one of the first biological molecules present, before DNA and proteins; however, there has been little success in recreating the formation on RNA from simple "prebiotic" molecules that likely were present on primordial earth billions of years ago.

Now, Ernesto Di Mauro and colleagues found that ancient molecules called cyclic nucleotides can merge together in water and form polymers over 100 nucleotides long in water ranging from 40-90 °C -- similar to water temperatures on ancient Earth.

Cyclic nucleotides like cyclic-AMP are very similar to the nucleotides that make up individual pieces of DNA or RNA (A, T, G and C), except that they form an extra chemical bond and assume a ring-shaped structure. That extra bond makes cyclic nucleotides more reactive, though, and thus they were able to join together into long chains at a decent rate (about 200 hours to reach 100 nucleotides long).

This finding is exciting as cyclic nucleotides themselves can be easily formed from simple chemicals like formamide, thus making them plausible prebiotic compounds present during primordial times. Thus, this study may be revealing how the first bits of genetic information were created.

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This is very good to hear

This is very good to hear because abiogenesis now has evidence

also look at this

 http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/


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No link to original article?

No link to original article?


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Article located:

Article located: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091120124829.htm

Awesome find man. Yet another nail in the coffin of creationism.

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It now looks like getting to

It now looks like getting to a basic self-replicating system - RNA in the right 'soup' - is almost inevitable, somewhere within a general environment like there was on the early Earth.

Once you get that, evolution can kick in, and away we go....

 

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This is awesome.  I can't

This is awesome.  I can't wait for the experiments to start wherein we grow these molecules for indefinite lengths of time seeing how they 'evolve'.

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Suck it, Jesus!

Suck it, Jesus!


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Sorry natural

 

I'll plug in a link next time - didn't see your post till this morn my time.

Yeah - this sort of research is the best. The idea we can show that the complexity of life can be broken down and can be expected to evolve under the right conditions is gold.

And in warm water, too. Still a long way to go but we have the rest of our lives to cheer it on.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for that.Awesome

Thanks for that.

Awesome


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ronin-dog wrote:Thanks for

ronin-dog wrote:

Thanks for that.

Awesome

 

anyone checked the article i link too also 


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BobSpence1 wrote:It now

BobSpence1 wrote:
It now looks like getting to a basic self-replicating system - RNA in the right 'soup' - is almost inevitable, somewhere within a general environment like there was on the early Earth.

 

Once you get that, evolution can kick in, and away we go....

 

Well, not picking on you but you do give me the point to work from...

 

In my wool gathering, I can't see that the matter of life is really a binary thing. Rather, it is something that developed over some time.

 

As far as creating RNA in the lab, that is great. 50 years ago, we did the Miller/Urey runs which made amino acids. At some point, I expect that we will figure out how to make real DNA.

 

In any case I suspect that survival of the fittest was probably active prior to the RNA world hypothesis.

 

Follow me o this. Covalent bonds happen on a level that is close enough to quantum mechanics that polymers probably happen in every way that may. However, such bond that are stable are more likely to hang together. So the peptide bond tends to dominate.

 

Given that, RNA world happens only when Polymer world already exists. So what works works as well as it does. As few as a dozen amino acids can be “biologically active” even in the absence of what we call biology.

 

Pretty much, life happens because stuff happens. Basically, I am coming to the same end poinit as you but I am pulling it back a couple of steps and linking quantum mechanics into the deal.

 

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Yep

 

Nice one, Adventfred. This sort of stuff rocks. Wish I could live another 500 years and see how it all goes.

 

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Nice one, Adventfred. This sort of stuff rocks. Wish I could live another 500 years and see how it all goes.

 

 

dont worry nanotech should be here not to far from now hope you are not old lol