Why are Americans so religious?
From what I've seen GDP was a negative predictor of religiousity sans one exception: The US.
Canada has the same basic amount of believers yet about half the creationists. [I think it's 41% and 23% respectively]
So why is the US so religious? Why are they the exception?
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The U.S. has great economic instability from one area to the next, and contains mass amounts of people below the poverty line.
Look at the states, and look at their value on religion. The U.S. is a large country, consider the states individually.
Also, look at the distribution of federal money. Taxed from, and provided back to the individual states.
In addition, take a look at comparable GDP lists from regions globally, like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country_subdivisions_by_GDP_(nominal)
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
They have the economic system of a third world banana republic, and their educational system is laughable at best. Add to this a tyrannical and all-powerful federal government which is wielding draconian laws and is armed to the teeth and beyond. As for the population, it seems to me that even the intellectuals are living under the delusion that the US of A is "special" in some ill-defined, almost mystical way, compared to other countries.
"The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind." (Alphonse Donatien De Sade)
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We do think we are special ~ and I have never understood it. I wonder where this 'privileged' sense of being started..? Back at the founding of this fantastic country Passed down from generation to generation..just like god belief?
Anyway, thanks to this post I have determined my next research paper topic! American Privilege has a nice ring to it.
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I would like to see a study to see if there is a correlation between heightened feelings of nationalism and feelings of religious fervor.
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Here's a monkey wrench for you, Alison...
I can't find the reference right now due to a stupid mac/pc incompatibility issue, but I'll dig it up for you. There's a scientist (in California, I think) who claims to have identified a gene which expresses as an increased tendency towards risk-taking and "maverick" behavior when times are bad.
Here's the hypothesis. America was founded by people who all left their countries and took a huge gamble -- both on profitability and survival itself. This gene which has just been isolated is found in a small percentage of the population of MOST countries, and correlates to increased tendency towards risk and emmigration. So.... that means that America was originally populated by mostly risk takers, which are otherwise in a small minority. So our colonial history inadvertently caused us to be populated by mavericks.
I dunno whether this also contributes to our religiosity, but it's damn interesting. Like I said, I'll get you the citation when I can borrow a mac.
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The american indians were risk takers?
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Pardon me. That should have read, "The United States was originally populated..."
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I know bollocks when I see it.
I have one word for you: Australia.
"The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind." (Alphonse Donatien De Sade)
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Ok the response raises another question:
Why is the US so patriotic? Once again to compare it to Canada where cultural expression is encouraged, whereas in the US if you're not American GTFO
I don't know that the U.S. does stand out as uniquely patriotic. Nationalism has a rich and unique history.
However, having said that, I do believe patriotism and religious fervor are similar cognitive states.
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I would believe that, both seem equally foreign to me in much the same way, and seem to have quite a bit in common.
To the OP-
As others have sated, the USA is not on par financially with many other countries. We've got the highest poverty rate among '1st world' countries. And as was pointed out, our education system pretty much sucks.
There may be a correlation, but I doubt there's a causal connection. The only reason I think there might be a connection is that the mind which will accept the nationalist paradigm has everything in place to accept the religious paradigm. They're essentially two manifestations of the same kind of worldview. So, we wouldn't really expect one to cause the other, but we wouldn't be surprised if people who embraced one also embraced the other.
I'm also thinking of the non-theist nations that have fervently embraced nationalism. I don't have time now, but if I remember tomorrow, I'll do a keyword search of the university archives and see what pops up.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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The only thing I can think of it may be in the water mixed in with fluoride.
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You're not going to argue that patriotism is a religion are you?
Any way according to the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago in the US in a survey of 34 countries
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/19472825/1-National-Pride-in-Specific-Domains-Tom-W--Smith-NORC-University
I can't believe I'll be the first person to explain this...
The first European settlers here were Puritans who--yes, took risks to get here--for the purposes of gaining religious freedom. Another reason for making the voyage was Missionary, to save the souls of the "savage" native peoples (who were actually far more "civilized" than the settlers) by whatever means necessary, including murder and torture. The entire foundation of our country by white Europeans was religious in nature from the beginning.
Furthermore, the US has a great deal more "middle" than most other countries. That is to say, areas of the country that don't border either a major body of water or major waterway, which would be an avenue of trade and therefore bring people from other places and different cultures, or an international boundary, which would accomplish the same thing. If you look at the voting patterns in this country, red (McCain) to blue (Obama), the waterways, even all up and down the Mississippi River (which can get VERY hillbilly in the southern states), the counties next to water are predominantly blue. Insulation and isolation breeds conformity and uniformity, not to mention ignorance. Ignorance breeds religious superstition.
Who, me?
No. I'm not going to argue that patriotism is a religion.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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I think the nationalism was ramped up for the world wars, and became the dominant culture ever since. All the propaganda never stopped through the cold war with Russia. People were being fed thoughts.
An excuse is always rallied around, but the majority of my generation are not nationalistic like the ones before were. I think that is mostly due to the internet, and communication with people elsewhere though. That "exceptionalism" is not really so exceptional as delusional, and a lot of people realize that now. (under the age of 30)
I expect you will find nationalism still today though within landlocked states of the US, as well as those same people unconvinced to travel outside the country. Most people in my age group don't really care though, and most of the population in this country are not in landlocked states.
There is a difference between liking the place you live and fervently promoting it as #1 in everything despite all evidence to the contrary. Of course if you bring that up to someone promoting that, they will often suggest you leave the country then and call you "un-American". Hilarious.
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The US is the largest melting pot of people from virtually every country in the world. I don't think there is anyway else with such a diversity of origins. Each group met resentment and hostility as they emigrated to the US. The first settlers were British, then large amounts of many other Europeans. In order to show allegiance these immigrants became very patriotic to show they had left behind their previous allegiances. All have been held with suspicion until a new group becomes the newcomers.
Countries of origin US immigration
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0201398.html
The largest groups of immigrants from 1820 to 1996:
1-Germany
2-Italy
3-Mexico
4-United Kingdom
5-Ireland
6-Canada
7-Russia
8-West Indies
9-Austria
10-South America
11-Sweden
12-China
13-Central America
14-France
15-Norway
16-Poland
17-Greece
18-India
19-Portugal
20-Japan
In Europe for centuries people of different countries have adequately demonstrated that could not get along with one another, from the 100 years war to WW 2 and Bosnia (really WW 1 cont'd) Yet when they have become Americans eventually they all get along. The patriotic pride helped them to leave behind their previous country of origin and to integrate successfully in US society. Is it necessary to be a super patriot, probably not, unless you look Islamic.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Paul The same is in Canada for the most part if not more, prominent that groups that normally dislike or outright hate each other in their countries or origin get along fine here, my best example is the Scots, English and Irish where I use to work at, they got along great, however when it was just one of them and me they would just through on the hate about the English back in the UK or the Scots or the Irish, however they never bad mouthed about the ones in Canada.
Same went for various other nationalities, Indian and Pakistani, Japanese n Chinese, and various other Ukrainian and Russians or pollacks etc, etc, etc.
They are away from the rest of their group and try to find people they can identify with, even if when at their country of origin they can't get along. Even in the Latin American community it tends to be that way, and we in our own countries tend to dislike the others, Argentinians against everyone, Colombians vs Venezuelans, Salvadorians and Guatemalans. However in Canada we tend to get along pretty well.
Latincanuck, I was aware that in Canada different people from other countries of origin do get along far better than in their original region. Perhaps for the same reasons, to fit in. The US had many episodes of outright warfare between each new group, as in the movie Gangs of New York. It was the Irish, the Germans, the Chineese etc. When a new group comes in they become the one that is ragged on. Right now, it's the illegals from Mexico. As these people assimilate it goes away. The patriotism thing seems to be how it's done. My ancestors were German and came here in 1898 and were held in suspicion big time during WW 1. By WW 2, they all joined the service right after Pearl Harbor to show they were patriotic.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Well not to say that we had outright war with other groups, however much like the US everyone had their moments at being at the bottom of the totem pole, from chinese to black, irish and germans etc, etc. It wasn't just as bloody.
I doubt it's a causal relationship. I guess that most of the "God, Guts, and Guns" crowd have that kind of mentality so I would think that nationalistic feelings/uber-patriotism probably go hand in hand with religious fervor. Like to see some numbers in any case to see if anyone has actually studied that hypothesis or a simillar one.
I have run into attitudes and statements many times from theists longing for the 'good old days' of the 50's and 40's and 'simpler times' before America rejected God. I've oftentimes found this strongly associated with feelings of uberpatriotism flag waving, applepie, baseball, hotdogs, fireworks, and 4th of July. I am not sure that I accept the premise that the 50's were that much more moral if at all than today. Maybe through greater mass communication we've seen more of what people are doing and how they are living but I'm skeptical of the idea that people were more moral then.
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Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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Perhaps I should rephrase that as: "You conform to our American values our you're a terrorist Communist that should GTFO!"
Because we have a very strong and relatable history, not just for one class of people. Some may relate to the history of our founders, others to the struggles of our immigrants, and black communities. And this keep people of various stripes still claiming to be proud Americans, because it's easy for them to find a home in its history.
Religion has been an organizing principle for migration, invasion and settlement. Examples are the Puritans, Mormons and now the Islamic religion. Missionaries were often the first groups to settle and build a village around a church settlement, the center of town was the church. The Masons had a lot to do with building churches. Plus not have an official state religion has lead to a wide range of religious groups to find a following.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Just a point of cultural accuracy, here. I know that "bottom of the totem pole" is a popular expression referring to those who are discriminated against or who are of low rank but, among North American indigenous cultures that produce such poles, the figures are arranged in order of honour and importance from the bottom up -- the most important figures are at the bottom (my wife is a member of one such culture). So, the popular expression is really rather pathetic in that it completely fails to understand the culture from which it borrows the image. Nothing personal, latincanuck -- I just find it difficult to see such errors perpetrated without saying something about them.
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