ummm, ok, hi i guess.  I think you get the prize for least informative introduction, but hello anyways...

you fuckin' asshole with your goddamn logic tricks...

ROFL waffle...

Do you want the long version or the short version?

I like crazy people... because true genius is rarely rewarded within it's own lifetime, and those judged insane are, in fact, quite clever and lucid.

Tell ya what, how about the short version?

I'm like the serpent... only if it WERE ME, I would offer Adam a bite of the.... whatever-it-was fruit. I still wish it were me instead of the scaly thing in that wonderful story. I could've done the role better.

 I have it on good authority you are in fact, YOU.

I hate this quote, because it is irrational. I INTENTIONALLY deprive myself of sleep (because of medicinal side-effects, primarily, and because of getting bored easily)

Welcome!

To answer the mail you sent that I just noticed: Most of them.

Okay... time for a short quiz then. Okay... the button for quote tags is right around.... HUH. No quote tags button. What the hell... see if you can think of which games these quotes come from, without using google, preferrably.

you forgot a couple of twos... hehe.

You don't want to play every game ever made... too many shite games out there. No seriously, you'll want to carve your eyes up with blunt objects (and even thenm the pain will appear mild compared to playing... shit games.)  These include hollywood-to-electronic game licensed works, and just about anything that has come from the front doors of EA Sports. "It (ISN'T) in the game"... meaining, they'll patch it in later if they feel like it.

Playstation.... hmmm. Playstation! I gave those machines up after playing ff7... and later discovering I could play it (and many other console games) on a desktop without wasting cash for another expensive machine. Hmmmmppphhhh  I don't even buy new video cards for years at a time.

I hate lag...

"you forgot a couple of twos... hehe."

I didn't forget, I just didn't see the point.

"You don't want to play every game ever made... too many shite games out there."

Yeah, but I can't say they're shit until I've played them myself, so I'd still like to play them all.

"console games) on a desktopwithout wasting cash for another expensive machine. Hmmmmppphhhh  I don't even buy new video cards for years at a time."

True enough.... ten years ago. Today the PS3 is far superior to any PC for twice the price. PC's are too expensive. $500 for a PS3 with internal PC running on Linux should you choose to install it, internal wifi, Blu Ray drive, and the largest console library in history, with hundreds of games that have never been on PC; and a 10+ year lifespan makes the PC obsolete unless you're rich.

But if you're rich, you should have all three major consoles from this generation AND a top of the line gaming PC, and a powerful Mac as well.

in addition, I'm not terribly fond of 'multimedia monsters' that have very little ram, lots of "(e)home entertainment software" that doesn't do a DAMN for what my uses of it are; and probably has quite a bit of spyware/adware on it; bogged down by 'shiny (and worthless)  extras' (in terms of both software or hardware), bits of hardware that isn't worth a damn, etc.

"You can never do that, and you've never been able to. Eventually your upgrades require a new motherboard. After that, you'll need a new power supply. And then a new case. Not to mention the HDD/RAM/Etc upgrades you need to make along the way. Long before that's done, you've got a new computer."

HA! Lies, all of it.

From Xmas 2004, to Xmas 2006, I actually HAD control of what was in my computer tower... I simply didn't have the first clue of what sort of video card should go in it (trust me, the first two were UTTER crap... bad fill rate, lousy vertex processing, no shaders worth a DAMN, etc)

"If it's cheaper than anything you can make by hundreds of dollars, you have no right to complain about the content within."

I'm going to have to AGREE to DISAGREE on this... by several miles. I can buy a JAVA PHONE, of all things, it'lll be (waaay) "cheaper", and I'll "have no right to complain", and what have you... but will it get the job done, in a timely manner? Of course not.

"Video software, generally. A must for a rich gamer."

Nothing I can't do without FRAPS? Or the Prt Scr function and MSpaint, for that matter? Steve Jobs can MAYBE get my next paycheck... in  a few decades, if not longer.

"That's hardly a bad thing. Quite the opposite actually, since PC software providers first dropped the ball on proper programming and debugging techniques more than a decade ago. It was only a matter of time before consoles had the power and connectivity to handle patches. Far better than buying a broken game and being stuck with it. At least now it will work once you've got the patch installed."

There's an ounce of truth to this... however, sourceforge.net, browser-games (some of which DON'T actually suck), limewire... none of these things exist on consoles. And you AREN'T necessarily stuck to whatever you buy either; nor is the RIAA, MPAA, IDSA (or whatever the software developer's/publisher's trade group calls itself these days) necessarily empowered to plonk you in civil court, for whatever misdeeds (or supposed IP law violations) they have percieved you to commit.

They don't realize it, but these sort of trade groups accelerate/propel intellectual piracy with their actions and the LOFTY claim that they lose dozens of billions to said piracy each year. (It's utter bullshit, basically)

They lose EVEN MORE money to puruing legal actions against iTunes, as well. They simply prefer to keep their investors/bankers happy. Subject for a different forum, I guess...

"$399 PS3 and Linux lets you do the vast majority of activities that computers are used for."

Yes... if you're (general-you, not specific you) willing to pick up some programming skills(BLEH), masters in Computer Science (BLEH), readiness to use open-source knowledge (BLEH), install crap that you don't have the first clue how to use, etc.

I'll stick to being one of Steve Ballmer's loyal worshippers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4

"Nothing I can't do without FRAPS? Or the Prt Scr function and MSpaint, for that matter? Steve Jobs can MAYBE get my next paycheck... in  a few decades, if not longer."

Mac vid software is the best. Period. If you want less than the best, power to you.

"There's an ounce of truth to this... however, sourceforge.net, browser-games (some of which DON'T actually suck), limewire... none of these things exist on consoles."

PS3 can do all that. So you're just wrong.

"And you AREN'T necessarily stuck to whatever you buyeither; nor is the RIAA, MPAA, IDSA (or whatever the software developer's/publisher's trade group calls itself these days) necessarily empowered to plonk you in civil court, for whatever misdeeds (or supposed IP law violations) they have percievedyou to commit."

No difference between console and PC.

And finally, you hardly need a Masters degree to use Linux.

I have NOTHING worth recording, period. I was simply commenting on the software I've seen others name in the credits of their youtube gaming-vids. 

I can play... Spore, Sims 3, games downloaded from impulse, browser games, sourceforge games, open source free games, etc... on the PS3? Yeah with Linux... why would I WANT to, however?

Without a mod-chip, an open-source OS, or some other ridiculous hack, ... I beg to differ.

*BUMP*

"Well, with USD$400"

More expensive than any console, with less capability than the PS3 by far.

"Efficientlydoing these things, on the other hand, is another question."

You mean playing without lag and crashes, not playing efficiently.

"Also, a Java phone isa computer"

So's an abbacus. That doesn't mean it's useful as a computer or a gaming console. Because it isn't you know.

"Nah, THREE years if you upgrade nonstop. Two if you wait five years between upgrades, like what I usually do. I don't work in an office-like eviron, so I have the luxury of upgrading VERY infrequently."

3.33333x more often than myself. Thanks for proving my point.

"I can play... Spore, Sims 3, games downloaded from impulse, browser games, sourceforge games, open source free games, etc... on the PS3?"

Any PS3 or Linux compatible application, including browser games.

"Without a mod-chip, an open-source OS, or some other ridiculous hack, ... I beg todiffer."

And I laugh at your ignorance.

OK, I am reasonably sure that you just compared a POS Dell for granny to get digital pics of the family emailed to a fully functional gaming platform.

Bullshit!

While I am personally not a console guy, I know my hardware inside and out. Consoles are made to be pretty much a snapshot of what the industry can manage at a given moment. Because of the huge volume of distribution in the first couple of months after release, they get to benefit from a gigantic economy of scale. In fact, they can shave prices even tighter than can Michael Dell.

That is the reason why consoles seem to be cheap. In fact, the only hardware that tends to be overpriced in them is stuff like the HD and DVD drives as they are often last year's models. Honestly, Sony doesn't care all that much if Samsung is overcharging them by like $50 of a 200GB drive. For the most part, that is fully invisible to consumers as they are also benefiting from the great deal on the “real hardware” that would cost quite a bit more if put into individual computers.

So is your car dude. Can your car run Bioshock?

Dude, are you that clueless?

Everything made in the past ten or fifteen years has a processor and memory in it somewhere. Your refrigerator, your washing machine and your television are all every bit as much computers as is your cell phone.

The difference? Your cell phone can probably handle running sudoku. None of your other major items can do even that much.

As far as your ability to build a granny box, yah, did you look up specs on THG or somewhere similar? You do know that you can do much better than that.

First, do not buy a case and power supply bundled like that. That is mostly a way for manufacturers to dump inventory that never sold originally. If you split it to two items, then you have that many more options. You can buy a $25 case if you want to. You can buy a $100 power supply. You will have spent less money that way and ended up with superior technical specs.

Sort of. The case will stink at keeping your system cool. But since you did not specify fans, that is just more in favor of you building a crappy computer.

What about your processor? Yah, that sucks too. If you really want to spend money like that, then get the 3.2ghz one that comes with free COD MW2. You will need a blu-ray drive to use it but then if you seek to compare against modern hardware, why would you not get that? Is it perhaps because you did not realize that a PS3 has one?

Of course, if you get that proc, then your choice of mobos sucks shit too. That proc can easily clock to 2.8 w/o breaking a sweat. Get a better mobo and a decent heat sink and you should have no problem breaking 3.0 or possibly getting to 3.2. And that is just on air cooling. Once again, you need to specify case fans or your rig will heat up like a damned toaster.

Also, why are you putting an 8800 on an AMD proc? Do you even have a clue what is wrong with that?

Uh, Kap, if you are going to do that, try actually reading what I wrote and not skipping key words to support your flawed understanding of stuff.

This is pretty much what everyone around here means when they talk about a straw man argument. Pretty much you have nothing viable to say, so you just change around in your own head what someone else said until it is a different proposition entirely. Then you attempt to refute the version that is in your head.

Rather unsuccessfully I might ad as you even quoted the second half of that question and failed to address that point.

Yah, I figured that you got it from somewhere. Somewhere that does really poor work I would have to add, even if I had not known that you got it from a magazine as lame as PC Gamer. Seriously, nobody who is real about playing games would use that hardware spec and nobody who is serious considers that magazine to be anything other than a joke. A very poor joke.

First off, let me observe that I am a PC guy and Vastet is a console guy. OK that is pretty obvious but for general clarity, I wanted to get that out again.

Anyway, you will not see him and I arguing the finer points of computer vs. console. Really, they are different enough that that would be a rather pointless war to get involved with. I don't quite see the value in what he likes and the opposite is equally true.

Sure, if I start on a brand new computer, it will cost me twice as much as he will pay for a console. However, I **can** upgrade my stuff a little bit at a time until there is a major jump in the technology. If I need to get one new part, I can do so for relatively little cash at that moment. I stay as current with hardware as I feel like.

Vastet sees little point in chasing that particular dragon. That does not make him wrong. However, it does make him stuck at one point for hardware until which ever gigantic corporation decides to let him have all new stuff at once.

He has picked his poison and I have picked mine. End of the process is that we both have our fun.

You seem to be stuck on the idea that you can pick a hardware list from a nine month old magazine (BTW PC gamer is a joke in the industry) and expect it to actually be good. Well yah, it is good enough to play the sims. I am happy for you.

Now, good luck actually buying an 8800. They were old stock nine months ago and getting hard to fine even back then. Today, you might find some vendor on google who still has them but you will have a much easier time finding one on ebay. Don't pay more than $20 for one and insist on free shipping.

Even so, you should not put an 8800 in a system with an AMD CPU. They have never been fully compatible. If you want an AMD CPU, you should get some card in the Radeon product line. Also, if you want to build a PC, the price that you should pay for a graphics card is $150~$200. That card can probably take anything that you can install in your computer.

There are graphics cards in the $300~$500 price range but those are strictly for assholes who think that they get e-penis points for spending $4,000 on an alienware piece of shit. They don't make you a better game player any more than buying a more expensive car will make you a better driver.

As far as the rest of your list goes, that is also fairly deficient.

First, real nerds never buy a case and power supply combo. Those are the power supplies that never really sold well and they bundle them together to move stock that would otherwise end up in a landfill.

I have had my current case since 2001. It is on it's fourth power supply and they have all been better than the bundled crap.

For you, I would suggest the Rosewill FB-01 case. It is a mid tower with an 80mm fan included but I would replace that in the initial purchase as it is probably not very good. Good fans are cheap enough and you can get a second 80mm fan for the front plus a 120mm fan for the side.

You will also want a Fortron Blue 500 watt power supply. That is one of the better brands out there and it is more solidly built than the Antec in your list. It also provides a bit more total power with the +12 volts split between two rails.

You can get both of those for less than your case/PSU combo would cost.

For the CPU, you can spend the same amount of money on a 3.2 AMD proc which comes with a free copy of COD:MW2. If you try playing that game on an 8800, you will spend all your time dying. You will die in the first few seconds after you get in and you will die every few seconds after that.

Generic memory for $30 and a crappy mobo for $50? Dude, for 50, you can get memory that is worth having and if you put it on a $120 mobo with a $50 aftermarket CPU cooler, then you can get that 3.2 to clock at higher than the current fastest AMD proc which would cost north of $200. With any skill at all, you should even beat the best that Intel procs are selling for at north of $300.