Major Depressive Disorder (MDD)

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Major Depressive Disorder (MDD)

From what I hear, MDD has become the most commonly diagnosed disease in the West.

I wrote more detailed about this in a blog post but would like to hear some POV's.

 

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wrote the same in the

wrote the same in the comment section under your blog

 

To me the reasons seem clear, having what society tells you you want won't nessicarily make you happy (happiness isn't a short term thing to me its long term). At the same timne looking at what you want or feel you should want isn't going to help. I sort of understand the religous thing but i think that is more about finding meaning rather than a god, Then again many of find the smaller things in life sufficent. Lets face it in the west people are genrally wealthy or atleast have more than the average person in africa for example, money doesn't lead to happiness infact i can think of little more depressing than having money but still feeling depressed. I find myself in agreement with those saying there is a problem  with the underlying "western" culture, sure rationally you can have everything you want but humans are not rational all the time. No one wants struggles in there life, but what is a life without them? You can watch as many movies as you like kiss as many girls as you like but eventually you will find you have had enough then what is there?

 

As a personal opinion i think the problem is people in the west have to much freedom, to much to lose and not enough to gain and not enough real problems. a huge generalisation i know but lets face it if you are out of a job in america there is welfare, there isn't a high rate of unemployment so chances are you can find another job in a reasonable amount of time, crime while presant isn't a huge problem where the "haves" live. If the most you have to worry about is who you are going to marry one day ofcourse your life is gona suck, we all need a feeling of accomplishment.

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I'd like to add the fact

I'd like to add the fact that reliable diagnosis has only been around for forty years or so, so obviously the increase is somewhat due to the increased understanding of MDD.   Although I will not deny that the 'western attitude' also plays a major role.


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v4ultingbassist

v4ultingbassist wrote:

reliable diagnosis has only been around for forty years or so

 

That's a very good point though.

To some extent, I find the discipline of counterfactual history to be interesting. For instance, where would we be today if medicine had been at today's level one hundred years ago? From whatever pattern of probabilities you can extract from that image, you may with some justification make projections for what's probable in the future (assuming, of course, that human nature remains unchanged).

Specifically, in this case, we would have had different initial conditions upon entering the complicated pattern of events that constitutes the 1900's. Which arguably is the worst century in the entire history of humankind, speaking in terms of general violence and nastiness. If psychiatric disorders had been acknowledged as such much earlier, we might have had different leaders during those times. Perhaps no clearly bipolar type such as Hitler or a sociopath such as Stalin.

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Tapey wrote:No one wants

Tapey wrote:

No one wants struggles in there life, but what is a life without them?

 

We are genetically programmed to deal with struggles. Our bodies make adreniline and endorphins to make us feel better while we do struggle.

Tapey wrote:
You can watch as many movies as you like kiss as many girls as you like but eventually you will find you have had enough then what is there?

 

Maybe you should try to get past first base. There is always more stuff to learn, more adventures to take. I just get tired with the struggle to survive and all the competition between people all the time. But we don't design our societies to eliminate this.

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oh man, this is some

oh man, this is some uneducated BS here. and while I agree that there are people who, no matter how hard they try, are just unable to cope with their problems, the more you educate yourself and devote yourself to being a calm and mentally adept person, the more likely you are to not develop mental handicaps like dementia, Alzheimers, and religious belief.

and to loosely quote Milton, as I am drunk as a skunk right now.

"and hell hath found it's newest possessor

a mind not to be changed by place or time

the mind is it's own place

and in itself can make a hell of heaven

a heaven of hell"

 

 


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Actually...

dingusdangus wrote:

 ...the more you educate yourself and devote yourself to being a calm and mentally adept person, the more likely you are to not develop mental handicaps like dementia, Alzheimers, and religious belief.

 

Actually, that is uneducated bullshit.

 

Dementia and Alzheimers are degenerative diseases of a physical type.  Just because they happen to affect the brain does not make them any less of a physiological problem.  The fact that they affect the brain which then causes the psychological effects that you term 'mental handicaps' stilll makes their root cause a physical one.

Educating yourself and devoting yourself to being a calm and mentally adept person has as much chance of preventing the development of dementia and Alzheimers as it does other physiological degnerative diseases that affect other parts of the body, as well as the brain. 

Planting 'religious belief' under the concept of 'mental handicap' is a complete cop-out.  Religious belief is one of faith. It is a choice within the power of the individual to either have it or not have it.  Unlike dementia or Alzheimers.

I thought this site was called 'rational' responders. 


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The trouble with psychiatric diagnosis

Unlike appendicitis or having the diagnosis of a wrist fracture, disorders like major depression have no objective correlate. It is a diagnosis made based on a patient's introspective account. Yes it has something to do with low neurotransmitter levels (ie. serotonin, catecholamines, etc..) but to date, a clear cut pathophysiology of mood disorders remains elusive. Until a comprehensive neuroscientific account of depression has been discovered, the diagnosis and treatment will be solely based on patient histories. And even in the hands of the best physician, this management ends up being more an art rather than a science. And artists are far from perfect. And I would make the same argument for bipolar illness, ADHD, anxiety, chronic fatigue, chronic pain and fibromyalgia.