4 Step Perfect Proof for God
Offline Step 1 - There cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects in nature because, having been derived from and approximated into that alleged past eternity, mankind would not still be sinning to the extent we still do along the exponential progression of conscience we are clearly on (many examples given in the link below).
Step 2 - The overwhelming preponderance of evidence is there is a cause and effect to all things in nature, even the first event, and nothing can come from nothing or start up all by itself, so the universe requires a cause.
Step 3 - Don't argue against God by misrepresenting Him. I throw this point in because this is done 99% of the time.
Step 4 -Like Step 1 there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects for the same reason given but applied to supernatural events if they exist.
Conclusion: we are left with no other possibility than there must be an uncreated Creator who is alone from everlasting, nothing was created that was created without Him, and there are no gods before God, no gods besides God, and no gods after God.
The 4 Step Proof for God is a masterpiece of perfection,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm
Therefore, realize the reason you reject the uncreated Creator doesn't have to do with evidence, for your flesh can rationalize anything away, but it is about your heart and that you prefer to remain in a state where your spirit is dead to God. Consequently you will go to Hell. You are a bad person. For there is no greater sin than the sin of rejecting your Creator. You're pointing to yourself as the center. This is a form of insanity.
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The fallacy in your position is that you completely disregard the fact that both militant atheism and '' a militant religious person'' can lead to extremes, for instance the persecution of Christians in the soviet union, during which orthodox priests or believers were tortured, executed, sent to prison camps or mental hospitals, you seem to picture militant atheism as simply vocally disagreeing with religion, however we have corpses in mass graves that disagree with you. What you should of said is that there are some ''militant religious persons'' that vocally disagree with atheism just like there are some militant atheists that disagree vocally with religion, thus the fallacy in your post.
Wow, a two-fer.
You missed his point and pulled a roundabout reductio ad Hitlerum/Stalinum.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
The fallacy in your position is that those actions in the Soviet Union were the actions of militant Marxism-Leninism, in which a lack of belief in God was a detail. The 'dictatorship of the proletariat' was their belief. Or you could call it militant socialism or militant communism. There was far more to their doctrine than not believing in God, and it was "Capitalist Imperialism" that they continually demonised, not God belief.
Find some group whose prime unifying belief is/was rejection of the God-concept who have used physical coercion to persuade people to reject God belief.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
''The fallacy in your position is that those actions in the Soviet Union were the actions of militant Marxism-Leninism, in which a lack of belief in God was a detail. The 'dictatorship of the proletariat' was their belief. Or you could call it militant socialism or militant communism. There was far more to their doctrine than not believing in God, and it was "Capitalist Imperialism" that they continually demonised, not God belief. Find some group whose prime unifying belief is/was rejection of the God-concept who have used physical coercionto persuade people to reject God belief.''
An important element of the communist doctrine was Atheism, why would it have to be the prime unifying belief? can you be any more dishonest? The elimination of the jews from economic and public life was not the ''prime mover'' of the national socialist party, yet it caused millions of deaths.
Jesus fucking christ... and you think you can lecture me on fallacies, your highness?!
The only dishonesty here is your claim that these people were killed solely because of their religious beliefs. Stop it.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Here is an interesting read : http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm
And an excerpt from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union#cite_note-13
And this quote: <<Official Soviet figures reported that up to one third of urban and two thirds of rural population still held religious beliefs by 1937. However, the anti-religious campaign of the past decade and the terror tactics of the militantly atheist regime, had effectively eliminated all public expressions of religion and communal gatherings of believers outside of the walls of the few churches that still held services. This was accomplished in a country that only a few decades earlier had had a deeply Christian public life and culture that had developed for almost a thousand years.>>
You continue in your fallacies.
Unless the denial of God belief was the prime motivation, which it clearly was not, the most you can claim is that such actions are not pschologically inconsistent with Atheism. I say 'psychologically', since no idealogies are necessarilly logically consistent. And that includes religions, of course. They only have to 'work' in the human mind.
There were actions of the predominantly Christian nations of the UK and USA during wars whose prime aim was to terrorize the population, and caused many tens of thousands of deaths of mostly non-combatants, such as the fire-bombing of Tokyo and Dresden. By your argument I could 'blame' Christianity for the evils of those actions.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
Attacks on religious communities does not require justification from the 'Atheism' of the attackers, or even demonstrate that the attackers are Atheist. Atheism removes one potential blockage, of course. The prime motivation for the Communists was to attack what was seen as a prime source of opposition to their regime.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
So, your first article says that the Marxists were to keep the people united and not let the strike movement degenerate into atheists vs. Christians (said division likely to be started by the Christians)
The Wikipedia article states that Christian intellectuals were killed. They didn't die for their faith - they died because those in power wanted more control and those people were pissing them off.
Again, no one said that there weren't militant atheists - just that your definition (being vocally against religion) didn't qualify.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
His example is irrelevant anyways. KSMB's post was pointing out the double standard, difference between public attitudes towards theists and atheists.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
On an offtopic side note, what does '' high donnor member'' stand for? is this site collecting money for something? enlighten me.
The site always takes donations, sometimes for a specific purpose, sometimes just general site costs. They tie mod powers and access to special forums in with contributions as well.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.