Consider - that which we most hate in others is what we most fear in ourselves.

You guys are modern liberals who think there is a "right" way.

I do not.

I am conservative, quite a bit to the right of Djengis Khan.

While the more I deal with Christians, the more contempt I have for them, the whole torturing/killing may be a little bit much... I mean after all, I used to be one of them

Yes, that just about sums it up.

Ssssssh! I'm invisible... but if you talk to me you'll fuck up my camoflage!

LOL WUT

Gah! Are you ever the fucking Dalai Lama or what?

I thought we already went over this the first time you posted this kind of crap. Did you have a relapse or something?

Your hate is misplaced. Saying "but it is how I feel" is no excuse. Feelings are not valid reasons for advocating killing people. For crying out loud, I can't believe I have to explain this basic, simple idea to you!

The simple fact is that feelings can be -- and often *are* -- mistaken. That's the whole reason we reject emotional reasons for religion. And it's the same reason we should reject Hitler-esque rantings like yours. I really wish that comparing you to Hitler counted as a Godwin, but unfortunately, it doesn't. You're literally calling for extermination of 'vermin' Christians, men, women, and children. Exactly how is that different than calling for the extermination of Jews or homosexuals or anybody else? It's the same fucking thing, asshole! Jeez!

If you feel hate, fine, but fucking deal with that with a qualified mental health professional. Don't go spewing your hate as if it's justified merely because "it is how I feel". Fuck that.

You hate Christians, presumably because they believe ridiculous things for emotional reasons. Well, you're doing the same fucking thing, believing they must die simply because of an emotional reason: your hate. If you can't see the hypocrisy in that, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate your mental health. Seriously. I'm not joking. You are seriously delusional.

Here's the deal: People and ideas are two *different* things. A Christian is a *person* who believes a particular kind of *idea*. If a kid goes to church one day and walks into the church not believing in Jesus, and walks out of the church believing, then what has changed? It's the same kid, but his beliefs have changed. According to your delusion, the kid who walked into the church is fine, but the kid who walks out deserves torture and death! That's just fucking crazy, and I can't think of any simpler way to say it.

You are confusing ideas with people. To you, the word 'Christian' represents a particular kind of *person* instead of a belief in a particular kind of *idea*.

Ideas are the problem here. Ideas like Christianity can and will infect people, and they will influence people's behaviour. Now, ironically, you yourself are infected with a particular idea: The idea that a person *is* their beliefs, and some beliefs must be exterminated, therefore we should exterminate the people who hold those beliefs.

You are infected with the genocide meme. Before you go shooting your mouth off about how people infected with the Jesus meme should be killed, take a look at your own damn self and cure your own infection first.

Genocide is irrational, it doesn't work, it has never worked, it has never solved conflict, only made conflict worse. It has never alleviated suffering, only aggravated it. You are advocating a much worse idea than most Christians are advocating. You are sicker than they are. Cure yourself first.

Here's how I recommend you cure yourself. It's the exact same method to cure theism: Ask yourself, "How do I really know that?" Repeat, over and over again, until you either have a *rational* justification, or else realize that you *don't* have a justification, and you're just plain wrong. Then apply Occam's Razor and abandon your irrational belief, and the hate you feel will disappear, or at least shift onto a more appropriate target. I know it sounds corny, but: Hate the belief, not the believer.

How do you know that Christians are 'vermin'? Do you really know that? How do you really know that? Could you possibly be wrong?

How do you know that 'vermin' must be destroyed? How do you know that torture and suffering will make the world a better place? How do you know that your own personal feelings on the matter make any sense at all? How do you know you aren't suffering from a serious mental disorder yourself?

Imagine you had your way and could bring about this torture, suffering, and death you think you want. Do you think Hitler was a cool guy that you think of as a role model? No? Why do you think that future generations would look back on you as any different than Hitler? Is that the legacy you would want to leave? "That Marquis guy was *actually* worse than Hitler." We would have to make up a new Godwin's Law because everyone would be comparing insane and dangerous people to you instead of to Hitler.

We seriously need a facepalm smiley for this forum. I can't understand how someone could type the words in the OP and think, "Yep, this is the message I want to send to the world," and then click the Post button. Seriously, Marquis, your genocide belief is worse than 99.99% of the beliefs held by Christians. By your own logic, you should exterminate yourself. (And I don't mean that literally. I mean that as a way to point out the absurdity of your belief.)

You've already admitted previously that your hate propaganda over-stepped a line. What makes you think this time is any different? Wake up, Marquis! Despite this being an internet site, you are not interacting with a fantasy world. You're interacting with a real world, and in the real world, there are real people, and they have feelings just as real as the feelings you feel. Their suffering is as real -- if not *more* real -- as your hate. When you post a message here calling for the suffering of real people, you are crossing an ethical line. Do you understand that, or are you living in a fantasy world? Is your delusion really that bad? I think you should seek professional help.

This is rediculous, and counterproductive to my cause perhaps not to yours I assume.  I would never wish death on any good person,and their are alote of good christians, we need to kill christianity not christians. 

... i never get this type of reception when talking about mass slaughter... *sniffle*

Agreed. You're irrational. Hopefully, you will find the help you so desperately need.

Perfect example. I hate what Paisley claims. I hate all claims of disembodied beings by any label. I think people who make up gods and believe them to be fact are full of shit.

Paisley has been around here for a while, and most certainly has had atheists reading his posts pulling their hair out wanting to scream at Paisley and call him every name in the book. BUT, that "hate" is not aimed at Paisley as a person, nor should anyone want to physically harm Paisley, merely because we think he is full of shit.

I am also quite sure outside the issue of theism vs atheism, Paisley and I could find common ground on issues of entertainment, sports, movies, politics, ect ect ect.

You have to accept "hate" as a normal emotion, but put it in the proper context that there is a difference between a person, and what a person claims, on any given issue. But in all this, beyond labels, both Paisley and I would agree, or should agree that neither of us would want to be physically harmed as a result of being offended or offending others.

I make no bones about saying Paisley's god claim is bullshit like any other in human history. But that would not give him or me the right to physically harm each other. Nor if I met him in person, would mean that I couldn't like him personally.

DAMN YOU! You took the one atheist punching bag I have and agreed with him, all be it partially. How much more slack do I have to give you before my rope breaks? Are you looking for an oven to be stuck in?

I love Harris, but I will always have a problem with him and his giving Buddhism a blow job as if it is less of a superstition. He is a modern version of Jefferson to me. I love Jefferson's attitude on religion and government and his rightful defense of skepticism which Harris has as well. But as much as I love both of them, I still have issues with both.