Atheist/political rap

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Never thought I'd hear something like this. It's interesting to say the least. I was on youtube and I saw that I had a message in my inbox. This guy who made these songs randomly picked me to listen to his raps. Just from looking at the imagery on some his videos It seems like he may be Persian lol.

 

"I'm the Dajjal"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7obIjNxfBys

 

"I will murder what you call ur God"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfOT06xqaHI

 

"Pagan Iran"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uthZf5B_Lf4

 

Here's his channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDajjal666


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A couple of things. His

A couple of things.

His lyrics don't really indicate that he isn't superstitious, merely that he is angry at religion and god. One can be superstitous and rebel against the status quo. I also notice that part of his name is 666. Now without knowing that much about this artist he may see himself as a satanist, which would preclude him from being an atheist.

He has a lot of pagan and demonic imagery in his videos. He comes across to me more like an occultist than an atheist. Atheists don't hold a belief in any super natural being be it a super hero or super villain.

I wouldn't put him under the "atheist" label because he rails against god/s. If he is really an atheist with who holds no belief in any deity, good or bad, he certainly, at least for me, did a poor job of conveying that.

I think it is not only ok to rail against gods, but manditory for the rational future of humanity. HAVING SAID THAT, only in the sense of challenging unproven naked assertions of disembodied beings. This guy comes across as having some sort of deistic belief.

Strictly from a music standpoint I thought he was tight and his imagery was fitting, but it did nothing to convince me that he is an atheist, just that he doesn't like the status of the world.

I will go back to check his channel again to check to see if I missed something, but I didn't really see much other than a message "join my channel" which doesn't tell me much.

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I listened to several of his

I listened to several of his songs, and without being able to read the lyrics line for line I get conflicted as to what his beliefs are. I know he is angry at religion and violence. That part was clear. Other songs would hint at him being an atheist, but I don't think a fitting name for an atheist is 666 other than maybe shock value to bring attention to yourself.

I guess I don't want the word "atheist" being associated with superstiton and 666 is a superstitious number that stems from deity belief.

Not saying his music was bad, I thought it was tight and that is coming from someone who is not a fan of rap.

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Brian37 wrote: His lyrics

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His lyrics don't really indicate that he isn't superstitious, merely that he is angry at religion and god. One can be superstitous and rebel against the status quo. I also notice that part of his name is 666. Now without knowing that much about this artist he may see himself as a satanist, which would preclude him from being an atheist.

You seem to be conflating satanism and devil worship. Satanism is actually a completely hedonistic form of atheism. It got it's name from the opposite of "Christlike". It is atheistic in the lack of belief in any deities, and as a mortal being who realizes their lives are finite, their self interests and pleasures become paramount. A devil worshiper is someone who buys into the whole religious shtick, but feels a connection with the antagonist(s) and thinks somehow they will get more out of it then the deluded "protag's". Satanism breeds self-centeredness and arrogance for the most part, and devil worship is just as silly as worshiping it's alter ego. But real "satanists" are atheists.

I don't know about TheDajjal666, but with the amount of religious imagery in the music, my bet's on him having a crazy religious upbringing and trying to attack it with it's own imagery. He might be a believer in some old religion and he might not be, I don't know.

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Not a rap fan, but it's

Not a rap fan, but it's refreshing to hear about something other than booty calls, pimps, crack and other drugs along with ak-47's and 9's.

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B166ER wrote:Brian37 wrote:

B166ER wrote:

Brian37 wrote:
His lyrics don't really indicate that he isn't superstitious, merely that he is angry at religion and god. One can be superstitous and rebel against the status quo. I also notice that part of his name is 666. Now without knowing that much about this artist he may see himself as a satanist, which would preclude him from being an atheist.

You seem to be conflating satanism and devil worship. Satanism is actually a completely hedonistic form of atheism. It got it's name from the opposite of "Christlike". It is atheistic in the lack of belief in any deities, and as a mortal being who realizes their lives are finite, their self interests and pleasures become paramount. A devil worshiper is someone who buys into the whole religious shtick, but feels a connection with the antagonist(s) and thinks somehow they will get more out of it then the deluded "protag's". Satanism breeds self-centeredness and arrogance for the most part, and devil worship is just as silly as worshiping it's alter ego. But real "satanists" are atheists.

I don't know about TheDajjal666, but with the amount of religious imagery in the music, my bet's on him having a crazy religious upbringing and trying to attack it with it's own imagery. He might be a believer in some old religion and he might not be, I don't know.

I haven't missed a thing. I have heard these types of claims before, "do no harm, enjoy your life". Fine, have at it but attaching simple obvious morality to a word that has superstitious baggage is pointless. If he literally doesn't believe in a being with horns or the satan of the bible I find it absurd to attach himself to such needless superfluous labels.

I have the same problem with Sam Harris calling himself a Buddhist. Sure, they are atheists, that is possible, but not saying people don't do that. My point is WHY?

I think it is better to state the obvious without masking it in old packaging.

"Satan" is a mythological character which the word"Satanism" is derived from.

But if this guy picks up a "Satanists" book and recites it for ritualistic reasons he is no better than the superstitious people who do things, not because they are practical or true or even moral, but merely because they can and because it feels good.

Doing something because "it feels good" is certainly part of our evolution, but doesn't make everything we do true or moral, it merely means we act on our feelings.

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robj101 wrote: Not a rap

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Not a rap fan, but it's refreshing to hear about something other than booty calls, pimps, crack and other drugs along with ak-47's and 9's.

How about this?

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Ummmm.....can I get some mod help with this?

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To nutxaq

To nutxaq: Before you post the embed url to the comment section of your post, click the "Switch to plain test editor" button below, then paste in in there.

To Brian37: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

Don't forget to read this part of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism#Atheistic.2FDeistic_Satanism

Brian37 wrote:
I haven't missed a thing. I have heard these types of claims before, "do no harm, enjoy your life". Fine, have at it but attaching simple obvious morality to a word that has superstitious baggage is pointless. If he literally doesn't believe in a being with horns or the satan of the bible I find it absurd to attach himself to such needless superfluous labels.

I would agree with you, the superstitions imagery is unneeded and utterly ridiculous. I already stated satanists use the name "Satan" not as the mythological being itself, but as a term meaning the opposite of "Christ like". Yet I was just talking about the true definition of satanism, not the rapper. He could just like the imagery or he might be just as deluded as all the other faith heads, thinking that god(s) and the devil(s) are real and be a devil worshiper. To me I think that's the safest bet, but I don't know the man personally, so I couldn't say. All I can say is from my understanding about the philosophies of satanism and devil worship. Whether I agree with them or not doesn't effect my representation of their ideas. I think it's easier to show the faults in ideologies when you show them for what they really are, not by misrepresenting them. I don't agree with satanism for many reasons, like their self-centeredness, which can lead to hedonism and narcissism, or their use of stupid superstitious imagery, but I will try to make sure people understand it for what it is. Many satanists (I would venture to say a majority) would fall under the atheist tent, and like it or not, we will be lumped into some of the same categories.

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Yea click source then paste

Yea click source then paste it.


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If your looking for good atheist political hip-hop...

Then at least some of the stuff released by Dead Prez should be shown!

Hope at least some of you enjoy. How often do you hear Orwell in hip-hop form? I don't agree with Dead Prez's Maoist positions, but when it comes to civil liberties and veganism they are the shit!

I love their beats and their raps are smooth and intelligent.

"This may shock you, but not everything in the bible is true." The only true statement ever to be uttered by Jean Chauvinism, sociopathic emotional terrorist.
"A Boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth, therefore If God did exist, he would have to be abolished." Mikhail Bakunin
"The means in which you take,
dictate the ends in which you find yourself."
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme leadership derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!"
No Gods, No Masters!