well went to the creation presentation last night, no fireworks or anythinglike that, in fact was sort of a dud, though interesting

there was only about 12-15 people there, and all of them went to the church except for myself, the presentation was basically a look at the first chapters of genesis, the first seven days and an explanation of each

i learned that yes they were 24 hour days, not metaphors for longer periods of time, that when god separated the waters from the waters and put one in the sky that that was the atmosphere and there was also a "canopy" around Earth, and depending on the theory either made of water or ice, had an illustration of it, sorta reminded me of like a fucking shield from Star Trek

when God created the earth on the 1st day it was a water world, and of course the plants and shit on day 2 then the sun and moon on day 3

some swipes taken at evolution, "they use to say we came from monkeys now they talk about common ancestors" *shows picture of a money on overhead* "does that look like a relative of yours? LOLS!

some BS about fossils being evidence of creation, how all the intermediate hominid fossils are either entirely human or entirely monkey

you know run of the mill shit

didnt get a chance to take any photos, nor did i record anything (i talked 1 on 1 with the guy afterwards for a while and didnt feel it wouldhave been appropriate to record our conversation)

asked him some questions about stuff, he had issues with common ancestry, talked about how alot of the intermediate fossils (archaeoptryx, tiktaalik) were fakes, talked about how radiometric dating was flawed, he didnt think the universe was 14 billion years old nor the earth 4.5 billion

he was a pretty nice guy though ad the conversation was civil, said he wasnt about trying to tell people what to think just throwing information out there and letting peoplejudge it for themselves (sorta BS i guess, but he was preaching to choir mostly with the exception of me)

overall was an interesting evening on that front

there was a rather awkward moment, after the presentation and before i talked to the guy, a lady came up to me and shook my hand, well after introductions come to find out she knowsmy parents (not friends or anything but knows them) and i used to play little league and peewee wrestle with her oldest son back in the day, she was happy that i was there and asked me if i had a church and that i should come back and they have sunday school and all this and that, trying to bepolite as possible i just mentioned that i "wasnt really a church person", dont think she got the hint though

after my chat with the guy heasked if i wanted to go downstairs with the other people for some refreshments, said i couldnt because i was supposed to get ahold of a friend when i was done (which was true), but also i just didnt really wanna have people asking me to come to church or anyof that

i did however pick up loads of material, handouts and little magazine type things from there, probably like 30, so ill take photos of all the material andpost those, all the shit is from answersingenesis.org (and some from the creation institute or something) and alot of it was written by some dude named Ken Ham (an apt last name IMHO), stuff is interesting i think because it makes me think through my positions and think about why what i know is true is true, so i think itll be helpful because some of the pamphlets are filled with scientific type stuff (no doubt skewed and twisted and out of context) but helpful in that now i know the exact type of shit i should be looking up to debunk the crap

so overall an interesting evening, enlightening in some respects, and made my head hurt in alot of others

(as a side note in the very first pamphlet i read i saw some quote mining, the famous darwin quote about eyes evolving being absurd, there was some other quotes, by stephen jay gould and some other people thatim sure were taken out of context as well, ill photograph all the materials and post them, some are ridiculous, some pretty funny, and others offensive in the normal way christians views usually are)