Can a consistent atheist have morals?
Offline Hello,
Is it logically possible for atheists to have morals? I thought it best to start on a fresh topic. Besides the laws of the land, what keeps you from being a rapist or a mass murderer since you are worthless according to atheism and no ethics can be afforded to you.
Why is it that via your nature, everything you do is against the Bible. You don't go against Scripture because you intellectually go against Scripture, you do it because you "want" to via your desire. Where does your desire come from?
Isn't hating God a Hate Crime? Why would you be so intolerant about God when He tolerates you and allows you to breath. Why are you so intolerant and why are you so narrow minded that you don't allow the possibility for God.
But then again, according to this site, an agnostic is an atheist. lol. wow, that's a Classificational Fallacy if I ever saw one. Atheist via the etymological term is a fixed claim that there absolutely is no God. And now there are as many definitions for atheism as there are ice scream at Baskin Robbins. Just pick your flavor.
And this is what we would expect to find, since atheism is confusion and ridiculous. Atheism is by definition narrow-minded and is a hate crime since they hate God.
I will be moving for a while so will not be able to get back to this. Perhaps tomorrow before I go. But will return to see the pathetic attempts where atheists claim that they can have morals and they don't kill because of XYZ. Wow,
Now don't do what your nature does. Don't ignore the challenge by asking me about my system. I have already answered this on numerous occasions, but atheists do this to avoid the question often. Have guts and honestly look at this.
The only standard is yourself, which is the very definition of ego-centricism and selfishness. Atheists by definition only think of themselves. They are like babies constantly waiting for the spoon to feed them.
So make your case, if only logically possible.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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Offline The Bible says that you commit the act by dwelling on the acts. And since atheists do this, then they are doing hate crimes all the time.
It's really not a hate crime in the legal sense though is it? Hmm? You just arbitrarily made up your own definition of hate crime, like you do with any other term that you feel like abusing.
That's not really an argument. I mean, I can do that too. Christians are all stupid and immoral by definition. Therefore, you're stupid and immoral. Tada!
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
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Offline Wow Jean .. you are so full of hate in your heart. How can this medium possibly help you to be a good Christian? How many people do you expect to pull over to your side when you are constantly and vulgarly offending them? How does God feel about your actions towards others? What exactly are you gaining from this process?
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Offline Jean Chauvin wrote:The Bible says that you commit the act by dwelling on the acts. And since atheists do this, then they are doing hate crimes all the time.It's really not a hate crime in the legal sense though is it? Hmm? You just arbitrarily made up your own definition of hate crime, like you do with any other term that you feel like abusing.
That's not really an argument. I mean, I can do that too. Christians are all stupid and immoral by definition. Therefore, you're stupid and immoral. Tada!
He is not stupid and immoral because he believes in magical sperm and zombie gods, he is immoral and stupid because he thinks his fictional friend invented morality and that all 6 billion humans should be subject to his personal whims.
I really think that this is a mental defect in our species evolution. In our natural drive to survive we mistake labels as being an absolute cure and no matter how false a belief might be, if it seems to work, humans will project that on the world around them, be it a political or religious idea. On an individual level with people like this, it seems with Jean wants so badly to give his own life meaning, he sees himself as being a hero out to save the world.
It is funny how the believer when observing others superstitions will think "That is just plain nutty", but wont look in the mirror to see how nutty their own claims are.
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Offline Hi Sandy,
I truly wish for you to be the best atheist you can be. If I could just make one atheist more consistent, that would make me a happy person.
What's with your all seeing eye? Are you a Lady Gaga fan or Occultist or both?
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
The 'all seeing eye' is the window to my soul looking into yours.
I can't stand No-Talent, Lady DipShit. I don't believe in the occult any more than I believe in your god...but, yesterday's horoscope was coincidentally right on the money.
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Offline Time for the troll badge.
(We do still hand those out, right ? Or have we given up on that ?)
Yes we hand them out, while he may be a troll, I'll likely avoid giving him one. I was hoping not to scare him off, he's been a great lesson in the failures of Christianity.
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Offline Well, I asked this question on another thread, but out of sheer boredom and out of the fact that I actually am curious to hear the responses of a Consistent Christian over a plain old non-consistent Christian, I'll ask it again here. Here, I'll save time and just paste it here :
Laws predate Christianity. As do moral codes. Consider this for instance, if you were to take an Ancient Roman from the times of earliest Christendom, a medieval man from the 1300's, a 19th century cowboy from the old west, and a modern Christian of today, would it be remotely possible to say that all of these different people from different time periods have the exact same morals throughout history all the way across the board? While some people could make the argument for the morals of say, an Abe Lincoln or a H.G. Wells from the 19th century as an example, I can assure you that their ideas of equality were not the same as say, the ideals of 21st Century man.
So if God created morals, why do morals change with every time period and why do morals change upon the society that we live in ?
Eastern Cultures in China and Japan that span back time over thousands of years have laws and have morals. Where do they get these from if Jesus didn't preach them to those cultures ? Granted, I find some of the principles of Buddhism to be just as ridiculous as Christianity, society had rules and morals long before the establishment of a religion. The fact that you are claiming your doctrine as the "ONE TRUE" doctrine from which all laws and morals originate does not make it so.
It was a moral thing to own slaves at one point. It is not considered moral now, so if morals are objective why did they change ?
It was a moral thing to beat your wife and children at one time, as the Bible allowed. Today it is not considered moral to do so, if morals are objective why did they change ?
It was a moral thing to burn heretics at the stake at one time. For the sake of saving their souls. It is not considered moral today to burn people at the stake, if morals are objective why did they change ?
It was a moral thing to stone women to death for adultery at one time. It is not considered moral today to stone women to death for adultery, if morals are objective why did they change ?
It was moral to crucify people on a cross at one time. It is not considered moral today to crucify people to crosses, if morals are objective why did they change ?
It is considered moral, in some parts of the Old Testament, for conquering tribes to rape women and take them as brides. It is not considered moral today to rape women and force them to be your bride, if morals are objective why have they changed ?
See where I am going with this ?
Morals are obviously relative, morals change with time, morals actually are not an indicator of right and wrong in my opinion. Think about the average American of the 1950's and what their ideals and notions were on interracial marriage and out of wedlock mothers (I am not saying everyone who lived back then, but anyone who was alive back then I am sure will attest to this). Think about the fact that for years, every married couple on television had to have separate beds when their bedroom was on the television camera. Think about the way that many people view the notions of marriage and the institution of marriage today.
Riddle me this Jean, if morals are totally objective, then why have all societies in general (whether ruled by Christian or non-Christian) changed them ? Why have WE as a people, changed them ? Would you be for stoning an unwed mother to death ? Surely not.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
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Offline More being a turd huh Jean? Let's get one thing straight. My personal life is none of your business. Don't ask. I could care less about yours especially now.
Disrespectfully
The bitch
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
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Offline Anonymouse wrote:Time for the troll badge.
(We do still hand those out, right ? Or have we given up on that ?)
Yes we hand them out, while he may be a troll, I'll likely avoid giving him one. I was hoping not to scare him off, he's been a great lesson in the failures of Christianity.
I totally agree with Sapient on this issue. If he gets assigned a troll badge or gets outright banned, then he can go away feeling victorious. He can say that the RRS could not handle the truth or logic and thus had to ban or ridicule to win. However, if on the other hand, he can keep debating, he makes a fine case for why some of the best and brightest that the Christians have to offer, have yet to come up with a sound or plausible defense against Atheism. In other words, I am not a fan fo what this dude posts nor do I agree with him on anything, but got to admit, he does make a strong case for why Atheism seems to be such a rational alternative.
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Offline Were your parents atheists? Were you raised in an atheist church? Why did you become an atheist? For real. Were you raised in the Christian church, then shacked up with some guy, thus the morals went first then the doctrine. And now atheism justifies your sin and God is not accountable to your wickedness. Is that about how it went?
For me it was after I started murdering abortion clinic doctors and molesting little boys. Oh wait, that's you... never mind.
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Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
What's crackalackin ?
Yes.
Bye !
Lol!
I love you Jean.
morals but we still don't kill anyone. It's pretty obvious you are just labelling human social mores. It's clear from your posts here Jean, that you, like many christians, are stuck in conventional morality, scared of punishment and motivated by reward. True empathy for the human condition escapes you.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Christians are egocentric. Consider your argument that god made the universe just for you and he hovers over you all day long watching to see if you glance at your noo noo when you get out of the shower. Horrifyingly, he's streaming your consciousness in real time and he'll know if you sneak a peak at that Bras 'n Things catalogue.
You know how it works, Jean. If you're naughty you'll go over god's knee for a paddywhack but if you're good, you'll all be off to Luna Park to ride the Joy Wheel and eat battered savs for all eternity with no buildup of yucky plaque in your arteries and no skinned knees. So easy loving daddy.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Wow, the "we hate Jesus and God" argument.
I thought you were a rational Christian - is this really the best you could come up with?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
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Hello ExtremeAtheist,
God has put you and Rebecca on my heart for prayer. I don't know why.
I am not scared. I have a desire to do good. I have a desire to obey God. Just like you have a desire to be immoral and be a heathen. We both have desires. My desires are for the good, and your desires are for the bad.
The question then is, where do these desires come from? They have to come from somewhere.
How can Christians be ego-centric if God is the center of their lives. By definition, if you are not the center, then that kind of takes the ego part away. I am not the source of ethics, God is. You on the other hand are ego-centric since you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS start and end start and end start and end with yourself. You are a walking circular reasoning with legs. And atheists are the consistent selfish baby who says give me give me give me.
It's reality.
God does spank His own children. Via death, divorce, or illness, etc. But He tends to allow the wicked to be wicked, so that He will then demonstrate His Wrath.
You're changing the subject to epistemology. Experiences is only 1 pagan way in an attempt to know. These are the only 3 ways pagans have tried to know:
Rationalism (Capital R via Rene Descartes).
Empiricism (Via Hume and Locke).
Mysticism (Jean-Jacques Rousseau)
Empiricism was merely chosen via the flip of the coin. Logical Positivism tried to start going via the early 20th century, but it was beat up so badly, it really had to dilute it extremely, to the point of contradictions.
So we now have a post-modern kind of empiricism which is death of thought and honesty or argument.
So why are you one and not the other.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Jean, I really don't follow what you are saying here. Perhaps you could clarify matters by answering some of my questions.
You say that god is going to demonstrate his wrath when he sends us all to hell. But to whom is he demonstrating it?
Seriously, from what I know, that is not going to happen until mister all knowing pulls the plug on the whole deal. At that point, there will be no one left to see what he did. We will all be in either one place or the other. Basically, there is going to be a north bound train and a southbound train. Pretty much, god will be showing the people on one train what happened to the others.
So where is there an opportunity to even try to do anything worthwhile? It seems as if you have the idea that god made a plan for the whole universe before starting the project off. Then he is going to end the project by “showing his wrath” to nobody in particular.
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Were you dropped on your head at birth? You still sign your shit respectfully yet you are such a douche bag. Yes Jean, I have plenty of morals. I have never killed anyone nor comptemplated it. I have never raped anyone. I don't beat my kids or mistreat them. I've never done anything that is moraly wrong in book except for the common mistakes you make when raising kids. I'm do right because it's right. Guilt goes hand in hand with morals. If I did any of the things I listed, I would have guilt.
Where do you get off coming here with your holier than thou attitude questioning our morals? I've answered your questions so here, answer mine. Do all christians molest and rape kids? Do they all have the ability that you do to be a cunning liar? What I mean by that is do they tell people they know they are evil and then say no disrespect towards you. I could go on but I think I've made my point.
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
Well, since most of your replies is just you talking to yourself, I guess anyone can jump in.
Because they're making it all up as they go along.
And don't say you are gonna pray for me. It won't do you any good in changing my views on christianity or god. I'm a good person, a good mom and that's all that matters to me.
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
" Rebecca,
I have already presented you my arguments. You, as all atheists, cannot know, and you have no true knowledge, you can't even read or write, so you failed to respond to my questions.
Christianity is the only true, the truth is in Jesus Christ, and if you do not believe in Jesus than you are dumb and if you do not raise your kids accepting Jesus than your kids are also dumb, you all are dumb idiot atheists evil coming &*^% you.
Respectfully.
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Rebecca, I don't believe this guy is for real. But if he really is such a fucking fountaining idiot, I think that most Christians will pray for him, so demons may leave his doomed soul.
Lol. Well then, none of you guys are real atheists.
In my spare time, I torture Beagle puppies with branding irons and have sexual orgies with five year old autistic children in my underground lair. I hate God so much that I wear a Jesus mask while doing this.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Roflmao
Rite!
And we stroll around Christian neighborhoods picking up Christian babies, then we grill them and feed them to our dogs and pigs. And then we have orgies with pigs shouting "Christ, I hate you!"
... and here comes Jean, and He gets out of His infinite pants ... huge biblical symbol ... the crucifix of truth ... and every sinner LOLs in front of Him!
Amen.
I wonder sometimes if these real annoying ones are setup and paid to piss us off. You know Sapient gets bored and needs a laugh.
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
It's not god who's the centre of your universe but your relationship with god that's the centre. And the thing is Jean, that in our subjective reality, nailed to our individual neurocircuitry, every person is the centre of their universe. It's part of the human condition. I find it interesting to consider that christians love a god that exists outside the universe and who they reify with special qualities they make up in their heads using their own imaginations and then they say this god is separate from them.
Jean, name one quality of god that you cannot imagine.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Hi Answers in Genesis,
God is Triune, so it's via all and via Himself.
But again, you are turning it on me. What are atheistic morals? Go!!!
You are implying that consistent atheism allowed this to be so. I say that is incorrect. If it wasn't for Christianity via the beginnings of science or the Novum Organum even though I disagree with Bacon.
Atheism gave us nothing. The theft from Christianity gave us something.
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Hi Rebecca
I bet you do have morals. But where do they come from? Is there a store somewhere? Did you get some morals via the Black Friday Sale? ??
Define morals. How do you know that is the definition? And are you absolutely sure you have morals or do you probably have morals? Remember knowledge is not absolute as an atheist. So you probably don't beat your kids.
You are a blank tablet so guilt is a Christian thing. For how would you know if you are doing anything wrong is there is no right or wrong?
Argue, go. And I will continue to pray for you.
You are sure speaking in absolute terms. Good mom, good this and that. Why so absolute? I thought there were no absolutes? So there is a probability that you are terribly bad right?
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Hi AtheistExtremist
No, God transcends all things. And all glory goes to Him and Him alone for He is the creator of us and of all things. There is a relationship but the ontology of God is independent from that.
You were taught bad theology as a kid.
God alone is objective. So those things spoken about by God are reality. So we only know what that reality is if He reveals it to us.
"human condition." Are you now a psychologist? Psychology is not even empirical. The secular wannabe "scientists" even call it "soft science."
God transcends the universe via His nature. But demonstrated His love for us via His son via the hypostatic union. Thus Jesus is now trapped in time because He loves us. You really weren't taught this.
Imagine what you can't imagine is a dumb trick my kids do. Since I sign my letters "respectfully," I will dumb down the conversation so I can remain respectful.
I am praying for you also.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
You are such a self serving self centered bastard.
Do you think your magic vagina story is original to Christianity? Do you think your magic rising from the dead stories are original to Christianity? Do you think curing blindness via "POOF" is original to Chritianity? Do you think your magic baby's birthday is original to Christianity?
Do you know where "eye for an eye" came from? Do you know who ascended into heaven to sit in judgment of the dead long before your alleged zombiegod?
The only thing Christianity gave humanity was another blood cult, and hardly original.
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There's the element of the fairground to this guy, that's for sure.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Couldn't help it. 75% off.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
If God transcends all things, does he transcend your comprehension or is his majesty limited by your ability to conceive of it? If he does transcend all things, how can you know this, given the limitations of your vile earthly body and walnut brain.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Sounds as a manure delirium tremens.
My respect.
100%
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! The most absolute thing that pops into my mind right now is that you are a batshit crazy lunatic!
Obviously I meant Jean
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
Let me give you a few pointers.
You want to influence people? Have a positive impact on their lives? Encourage them to take Jesus into their heart - yada, yada.
So, might I sincerely suggest you don't start out by saying the person is nothing, has nothing, no logic, no knowledge, no intelligence. Many people are pissed about being called a no-thing. I am someone. Not a thing. A person. You might demonstrate some respect - just saying "respectfully" doesn't make it so.
And at this exact moment, I am so glad I am going to hell and I will NOT have to spend eternity with a bunch of smarmy christians like you.
Not so respectfully but sincerely,
CJ
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
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"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
Morality is NOT about obeying a deity or what is objectively right or wrong. There is no evidence of absolute morality even existing (if you disagree then give examples of it).
Human morality grew out of primate society long before any deities were even invented. Such pre-moral sentiments evolved as a method of restraining individual selfishness and allowing for more cooperative social groups.
These are the same qualities required by ALL social species because of the survival benefits in being part of an altruistic group, which greatly outweigh the benefits of individualism in terms of defense against enemies and food gathering etc. Such qualities are the basis of human morality NOT divine laws. Morality is functional.
As social creatures we are all under the rule of law as devised by the community (hopefully with our participation) and enforced with penalties for non-compliance. So, don’t be so dismissive of the “laws of the land”.
We have devised social contracts whereby it is in an individual’s rational self-interest to give up individual freedom in order to obtain the benefits of social order – essential for the survival of the species. This is morality.
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Am I "Don't Get the Bit" guy? .... This can't be real.... can it? ... This Jean Cauvin fella is really someone just pretendingto be a barking mad, barely coherant loon.....Right? .....
....I'm waiting for the "Gotcha"
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I have never understood the intense fascination with carrying on an extended dialog with an obvious troll. It's like being on a walk in the park, seeing a pile of dog poop up ahead, and then deliberately stepping in it ......repeatedly. How's that for being rational ?
It doesn't shock me when people make ignorant statements about atheists. I once had a co-worker ask me if I worship satan, and she was being serious. I chuckled and responded "If I don't believe in god, why would I believe in his arch enemy?"
I don't mind the initial ignorance, most believers are not exposed to atheists on a daily basis, or are sheltered and don't realize how many atheists they come in contact with without knowing.
It becomes bothersome when they make these naked assertions and continue to insist on using them after we have refuted them.
Jean isn't here to debate, Jean came here to sell us his earth shattering invention that will save the world. It is totally foreign to many believers, like Jean, that there are people outside their belief.
I don't mind being equated to Hitler, it is a common misconception believers get sold, but after I tell someone why they are wrong in that claim, it pisses me off.
Jean has every opportunity to make his stay more productive, but sees himself, not as an individual merely here for debate, but our savior. He wants to be somebody. He is desperate to give his own life meaning rather than accept that he is one of 6 billion.
We have been called immoral. We have been called evil. We have falsely been called every name in the book. Jean is not the first and wont be the last to do this. I simply try to treat them like the tantrum throwing brats they act like.
I don't expect someone to blindly "respect" me anymore than I would blindly respect them. I am more concerned with their arguments and the evidence for their position. But in Jean's case, he is getting what he deserves because he has spent all his time whining about us "evil cootie spreaders" like an ignorant child.
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I think the idea is to expose his insanity by letting him talk and......
Uhm, no, you're right.
Time for the troll badge.
(We do still hand those out, right ? Or have we given up on that ?)
Yeah, I got that one too. I responded, if I believe god doesn't answer prayers, why should I believe satan will? The guy actually got a thoughtful look and said, I didn't think of that.
I think "bothersome" is rather an understatement. How about "fricking ignorant bone headed annoying asshole".
Like many religious people I have met in the past, it is the self-esteem problem. "I can't feel good about myself on my own merits, so I have to have an invisible friend to give me virtual hugs."
Rather pathetic. But it doesn't make me want to give them a hug - more like a kick in the pants. "Get out there and take care of yourself, damn it! No one else will, especially not your sky daddy."
Agreed.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
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"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
I'm with you. Maybe his threads would die a natural death then.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
Why do I get the feeling Jean's threads won't die? Every time I read his posts I hear the the mother in the creepy house on top of the hill overlooking the Motel, "Norman".
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Jean,
You're right, atheists don't get our morals from the bible. Luckily, however, neither do you. We all have certain moral precepts encoded into our genetic structure. No, not by natural selection. By tribe selection and sexual selection.
If you got your morals from the bible, you'ld consider eating shellfish as big a sin as homosexuality. If you got your morals from the bible, you'd have no problem with raiding rival nations, killing all the adults and male children and keeping alive only the young females who have not known a man by lying with him. If you got your morals from the bible, you'ld be fine with the murder of adulterers, homosexuals, people who work on saturdays, and disobedient children.
The fact that you can consider homosexuality a sin (I'm assuming you do), but not the eating of shellfish is proof that you have an independant moral compass which you use to interpret the moralistic preachings in the bible. These two rules are in the same book, seperated by only a few passages, and are equally stringent in their language, there is no biblical or scriptural criteria to seperate one from the other as "metaphor" or otherwise unauthoritative.
The point is this. You don't have to tell people not to kill one another. So long as there is no tribal rivalries and dehumanizing propaganda, noone considers the murder of another human being to be acceptible. If they do, we call them psychopaths and we put them in prison or mental institutions to protect our society from abhorrent violence. In short, we would not have made it as far as the foot of mount sinai if we were under the impression that murder, rape, perjury and theft were OK. Societies without morals cannot stand, let alone prosper. The morals you say we have no justification for were embedded in us long before a single page of scripture was ever written, and that is an anthropologically verifiable fact. You are just wrong.
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Awww, dammit!
I'm so sorry, El. I was going to quote your post, but I accidentally hit edit and posted over it. *sob* Moderator fail. It looked like you put some work into that one too.
Anyways, what I was going to do was to add to your post by noting that just hating someone isn't a hate crime anyways. You have to commit a real crime like assault or murder against someone because of some group they're affiliated with, not just thoughtcrime.
Edit: Omg, I still have the unrefreshed page on a different window. Hahahahaha. I'll quote you.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
I just want to say Thank You for reminding me why I'm an atheist.
'Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.' A. Einstein
Your secret identity has been revealed. Mwahahahaha! Indeed your full name is Jean Gero Chauvin. And if you rearrange those letters you get.......HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
Joinn Che Guevara!!!!!!!!!!
It all makes sense to me now. Jean Chauvin is none other than the anti-Christ communist Che Guevara trying to infiltrate, indoctrinate and impurify our bodily fluids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please explain this. Go!!!!!! And I will pray for you to seek the milky forgiveness from Jesus' teats.
Hang on..........Jean Chauvin (jc) or is it Chauvin Jean!!!!! cj!!!!!!!!! cj is jean Chauvin and therefore..........Che Guevara!!!!!!!
The resemblance is uncanny!!!!!!!!!! But the one in the middle looks the hottest.
Hello Brian,
The Bible says that you hate the truth. So no wonder when I quote it, you get furious. Your bondage to your desires are so obvious.
Eye for an Eye was revealed to Moses and he wrote it down. You didn't know that?
If it wasn't for Christianity, there would have been no science.
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Hi Extremeist,
Yes, our comprehension He also transcends. But He has the power to allow His children to comprehend His revelation via the Holy Spirit.
However, 2+2=4 to God and man period.
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Hi Rebecca,
Were your parents atheists? Were you raised in an atheist church? Why did you become an atheist? For real. Were you raised in the Christian church, then shacked up with some guy, thus the morals went first then the doctrine. And now atheism justifies your sin and God is not accountable to your wickedness. Is that about how it went?
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Hi CJ,
I can't encourage anybody to do anything. They are bound with thick chains via their nature and desires. The only one that can break these chains is God, if He chooses to, by giving them a different nature.
Some cannot choose God ever. I do not know what they are. Are you one of them my Jewish friend?
You are misunderstanding my argument. I do not think they are worthless because God created them via purpose, but atheism and empiricism says that they are worthless.
I know you're glad you're going to hell. That's typical of the heathen.
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Hi Tess,
Absolute morality can be found in the 10 commandments along with other books of the 66 volume encyclopedia.
Please define this primitive morality. Define it and apply it. The law of the land is set via Biblical influence. So, if there were not civil law, what is the ultimate reason as to why murdering your family is wrong?
Is it common consent? Perhaps by vote? You're not an honest atheist because atheism and empiricism gives you no morals, knowledge, beauty, and thus no understanding of reality, and your being. Atheism and empiricism takes you back to an ape where you grunt, jump, and point. And that's all you can do if you want to be consistent within your own system.
So atheistic ethics is based via Existentialism? Survival only for you, not anybody else since atheism is selfish. If you WANT to kill your family, why is that wrong? The issue of survival is not via ethics, but via ontology. Ontology is another area of philosophy.
So survival won't work, especially since consistent empiricists deny ontology. So try again.
Yes, yes, the community. But this still does not answer the ultimate question. So the community is a kind of god that makes your morals for you? So then you agree that it is wrong to have homosexuals marry each other because the community says so?
Oh, you don't? Then at that point, how do you determine what is right or wrong? What if you were a Senator like that fag Al Franken, how would you come up with ethics? Where would they come from?
Social contracts? How convenient. You have to do social contracts because you don't have a means of morals. No way to say that the contract is wrong. You can't say abortion is right. You can't say separation from Church and State. You can't say don't pray in Public Schools. You can't say anything, since an atheist is immoral and selfish by definition.
Thus atheists are potentially extremely dangerous people.
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Hey Fonzie,
Did you have a question? Did you just tell me to go sit on it?
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Hi Prozac,
I see you have a gun there? Atheism doesn't tell you anything about right and wrong. But as a Christian, it is wrong to kill people, so don't.
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Hi Brian,
If I'm ignorant, education me. You have yet to say anything via reason. I think you are angry because you didn't get enough hugs when you were younger.
Brian, you are worthless and immoral via atheism and empiricism. Not via reality which is understood in Christianity. I don't think this, but this is the ultimate conclusion via your system, not mine.
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Hi Cj,
Psychology is a joke and has no merit. I should say "modern" psychology since there is a Christian psychology not based on 20th century garbage. Freud had many many little statue idols.
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Hi UnO,
What is this specific gene in our genetic structure called? Where was it studied? How long? What were the variables? And if empiricism was the means to determine this, the study is refuted since empiricism itself has been refuted as a means to know.
The Bible must be rightly interpreted. Acts 10 says you can now eat shell fish. I'm not Jewish like CJ, I'm a perfected Jew, I'm Christian.
It is a big shocker to everyone here that an atheist has extremely poor and absurd hermeneutics. lol.
Homosexuality is condemned both in the old covenant and new covenant. Shell fish is only in the old covenant via the nation of Israel. I am not a member of any of the 12 tribes.
Would you like to do a Bible study on the covenants? It would help you.
While I do believe there is a spiritual DNA type via the Imago Dei, a consistent atheism that is bound purely by his nature and desires would be the worst criminal in the world. Praise God He holds you back.
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Hi ButterBattle,
The Bible says that you commit the act by dwelling on the acts. And since atheists do this, then they are doing hate crimes all the time.
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Hi Sandy,
I truly wish for you to be the best atheist you can be. If I could just make one atheist more consistent, that would make me a happy person.
What's with your all seeing eye? Are you a Lady Gaga fan or Occultist or both?
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Hi Ragdash,
Che is burning in probably the hottest section in hell. Che was a very evil man. Just like atheists would be via a Revolution. The soon to be revolution fueled by communist atheists will correspond to their evil nature. I'm sure some day, some on here will murder some Christians during that time.
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Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Okay, I think I can play this game.
If it weren't for elves, there would be no cookies.
Shacked up with some guy? Holy sexism, Batman. Yeah, every girl is turned to atheism by a guy. Atheism is basically vampirism. It's why we're all so hot and brooding.
And you're here arguing because ...
People are potentially dangerous people.
Did your psychiatrist tell you that?
Right. Statue idols. So ... B. F. Skinner? I'm curious what odd fact you have about him that involves something you completely made up just now.
I'm feeding the troll now, aren't I?
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You try to get out, but they pull you back in.
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
What kind of stupid question is that?
I'm pretty convinced that the first form of MAN had morals of some sort. Way before Christianity was concocted.