Pituitary gland (hypophysis)

This little endocrinologic thing is quite puzzling me lately. (well, more than a year, possibly several years) I've been doing translation correcture of certain occult book on healing by Master Djwhal Khul and there were emphasized certain relationships between these glands in head and the rest of body. Lots of technical information, but most generally said, the principle is following:
We have etheric body with chakras and nadis (meridians), which supplies the physical body with vital forces and other stimuli.
The meridians loosely correspond to nerve system. The seven main chakras are directly related to seven main endocrine glands, in this order: pineal gland, pituitary gland, thyroid gland, thymus, pancreas, gonads, adrenals.
Chakras and nadis directly vitalize the glands and determine their ability to function properly or usually not, with most of people.
Energy follows thought. This basic occult statement can be applied also here. Let's say that the following might be happening:
Thought -> subtle energy -> etheric body -> energetic centre (chakra, etc) -> corresponding endocrine gland -> release of hormons, endorphines, who knows if science knows what -> change of mood, perception, metabolism, and mainly, mystical OR ecstatic states of consciousness (do not confuse)
Well, I used to get myself quite high, and given right music on top of that, wow, what a trip that was. Who needs drugs, we are the drugs. With (im)proper stimulation, my forehead chakra was gaping wide open about 10 cm across, and this being a vortex, it was feeling like having a solid whirpool stabbed and spinning into your head from the front, plus the extreme trippy feeling. Well, I stopped that years ago, because such practices may fuck you up or make you faint if you push the wrong spot. Or at least give you a bad headache plus an equally unpleasant but to muggle-borns hardly describable feeling of having over-energetized chakras.
So paying as little attention to these sensitive centres and glands as possible (which is about as easy as NOT thinking about a pink rhino, as Osho said) I alleviate some strain out of my sorely tried nerve system. But the etheric body has a life of it's own. As an individual progresses on spiritual journey, more functions of it are accessed and then something always gets fucked up, because the inhabitant can not use them properly yet. But through hard work the irregular progress is made and centers and glands learn to work together synchronously.
The most intense daily activity seems to be in my ajna chakra and corresponding hypophysis gland. I can feel the gland on its right place in my head, full of pressing, throbbing and squirming energies supplied by the chakra itself, which gives a similar feeling. Energy follows thought. With discovery and uprooting of vices and unconscious senseless behavior and support of meaningful, intentional behavior there comes a change of thinking and therefore a change in distribution of energy in the centers. (plus I helped it by certain special woo practices) Ajna chakra has a lot to be re-wired and re-distributed, no wonder it is strained and its corresponding endocrine gland too.
Now, I guess I should ask what is the science thinking. People can not feel their endocrine glands hidden in head, because there are no tactile nerves leading there? People can not control functions of their endocrine system by focused thought? Physically realistic hallucinations can come from nowhere and afflict anybody for no reason at all? People secretly desire to have strange feelings even if it's rather unpleasant, and so unconscious wishful thinking somehow causes the feelings to appear in exactly the appropriante places of endocrine glands and energetic centers?
So far, I asked one my friend who's a student of pharmacology and he never heard that anyone would be able to feel their hypophysis or affect it by thought.
I am quite inspired by DK's words in the end of the book:
[Disciples]...they first shall cooperate with doctors and advise them on relationships of centers and glands, and therefore with body as a whole. Through concentration and regular meditation performed in centers of head and directed towards it or other center, the disciples will demonstrate so definitive changes of endocrine glands, that they will convince doctors about a meaning and real existence of the centers, and their power, also they will convince about the possibility of controlling the physical body through a power of thought.
Sorry for the lots of text, but I must admit, it bores the hell out of me how you rationalists lately just beat a dead horse with Mak Thorpe and rehash the Bible all the time. Yeah, I know that religion is not a dead horse, it's an undead zombie horse that bites people and makes them zombies too, but you got the point.
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So you'd rather we beat your dead horse?
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
No, seriously, it's an exciting discussion on the endocrinology. My hypophysis really high-strung all day long, regardless if that's medically possible or not. Perhaps it will obey someone's skeptical authority and calm down.
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Being neither an endocrinologist nor a follower of Master Djwhal Khul, the thought occurs to me that perhaps you are not posting this in the right kind of forum. But, what do I know? I'm just a musician.
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Honestly Luminon, I can't imagine a rational conversation coming out of this, since you just asked about your gaping chakra. Other than saying, "That sounds dirty *snort*" I don't have much to say without going all the way down to the placebo effect, confirmation bias and how the need to reduce dissonance eventually leads to complete self delusion.
Maybe you could send a tell to MichaelMcF, he seemed to enjoy conversations like these.
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Hmmmm.....
I have read that your mental state affects your hormones which affects your mental state which effects your hormones...
It's a big feed back loop.
So what some of the therapists I have been to try to do is break that loop. There are lots of techniques.
Positive self-talk - as in - "I am beautiful (handsome), I am witty, I am successful." Well, toss that one out.
Positive imagery - as in - imagine yourself on a lovely lonely beach and the person of your dreams walks up naked and - never mind.
Behavioral therapy - as in - Get up off your ass and fix a nice dinner and NOT some frozen pizza! And set the table, don't eat at the counter!
Stuff like that. The only one I have had work for me is the behavioral stuff. If I feel depressed, I get up, get showered, and get busy. Pretty soon I'm too tired to be depressed.
Some of this sounds similar to what you are talking about. We can influence our feelings and it is related to our hormone levels.
Most of what you said sounded to me like self hypnosis.
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Really, that is a serious and intriguing philosophic problem. The problem of observation vs. delusion. Science is a man-made area of known facts and it is interesting how tenaciously people prefer to dismiss unknown observations for trivial reasons instead of acknowledging that they need to be studied.
I never did any effort to imagine anything, it was all too easy and automatic. But I'd welcome if my hypophysis would stop pressing, squirming, throbbing and so on. It's not painful, but a little unpleasant and distracting. On top of that, it feels like it would shine or radiate something and also I hear a characteristic extremely high-pitched sound. Quite interesting, isn't it? If people here can share their health problems, why couldn't I?
I could at least find out more about it. You say that normally people are not aware of their hypophysis? They don't feel that it's there, above the half of oral cavity? They can't stimulate it by turning their attention to it? You say that science is not yet aware of such medical phenomenon? I don't want to come at a university and hear them say to me, "Well, we researched that two years ago, a wonderful revolution in neurology, wasn't it? The doctor got a Nobel price for that and our test participants got a nice fat cheques for their help."
It's not a hypnosis or emotional problem, you can imagine it like where I turn my attention there is immediately an increased blood flow and pressure, which is unpleasant. Except that this is not a blood, but etheric substance that the etheric double uses instead of blood.
Hypnosis is a state of low threshold of critical thinking when people do things or accept ideas they normally wouldn't. But believe it or not, this IS my normal state. I can turn my attention like light of a flashlight to a section of my body, feel the energy concentrating there, and expect physical consequences, specially if that section is some important gland or nerve centrum.
Most of the time part of my attention is occupied by the inward etheric perception. This is why I might seem absent-minded, clumsy, daydreaming, etc. If I'd have a regular sexual partner I'd learn to focus only on physical body, but for now I have not much use for the body. Etheric perception is much more interesting. I've even induced feelings of pleasure in parts of body where one would not expect it. Etheric body is a wonderful instrument to control nerve and endocrine system, but playing with it too much is unhealthy. I don't want to boast or anything, but looks like my nerve system allows me to do much more than it normally would to most of people, both for good and bad.
But for the most part, this is a forum of intelligent or intellectual or at least experienced people, who can at least scrap some interesting facts or life experiences from the bottom of their memory. There are various personalities here, various occupations, various cultures, various hobbies, various sexual orientations, veterans of various mental afflictions, what a wonderfully various place it is, when they're not rehashing Bible momentarily
And I'm definitely one of the most various persons here.
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Well, the limit of the placebo effect is pretty high, and as far as delusions go, it depends. The point being that observations cannot be de-facto trusted unless they can be replicated in a controlled environment.
My issue here is if your claim is falsifiable or not, or rather, if you would accept any measure of falsification. You talk about your glands, then you talk about your gaping chakra. If I say you can't 'really' feel your gland and point out a lack of sensing nerve endings in the region, you'll take that as confirmation that you have yet another mystical power others seem to lack. If I say there is an alternate explanation, like many pot smokers feel the same way and try to find a physiological reason for that, you can just claim that pot opens other people's chakras too, which is more proof that there is something mystical going on. I could point out that the gland does not have any muscle tissue, so "squirming' is not really a possibility. I don't think your body can detect when other organs secrete fluids, otherwise we'd all feel all sorts of crazy stuff. But you might just say, again, that must mean you're more special than most people and you *can* feel it.
Essentially, I see this as a lose-lose scenario unless you can define the falsifiability of your claims.
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I presume, that the gland is stimulated by the activity of its etheric counterpart and the chakra, so I should be able to stimulate the gland. To what extent, I don't know. There should be differences in activity of the gland, different hormone levels in brain chemistry, etc. Plus, there might be a substantial difference in certain kinds of brain activity, a difference between person with etheric perception and without it. Maybe it is a mystical power but it's among the least mystical of them all and therefore most measurable.
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Well, I would advise against bringing up your third and fourth paragraphs.
To get a researchers attention you'd have to have an idea about some sort of study, that usually means more than one individual. So either find a group of unrelated people with squirmy glands, or find someone already doing a study. Or you'd need to actually make a falsifiable claim and be willing to back it up.
Your main problem is that these sorts of researchers usually feel they have better things to spend their time and money on. Every time someone studies this stuff it turns out to be false. One more study probably wouldn't even get a doctoral student through their thesis.
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Reading my new Psychology book it had a good anecdote about James Randi. He asked a aura viewer if they could see his aura surrounding his face, they said yes. He put a magazine in front of his face and asked if they could still see the aura, they said of course. Then he asks if they will be able to track his location after he steps behind a thin board a tiny bit taller than he is. Lol.
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Seriously though, your best bet is bored university medical students, or maybe psychological students. I couldn't even Google up a relevant paper. Careful how you broach the subject though, because, "I feel my brain squirming and I think it is caused by my engorged chakras." sounds pretty damned crazy.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
It is in such a great contrast to how simple is the scientific method described. I have a friend, he's an engineer and he does some private technologic research on his own. He has a trouble drowning his expenses in the company's bills. Every single test costs money and most of them are unsuccesful. If he does tests, his money fly out of the window. The only help is a simulating software but that's expensive and he wants to research some material properties which are not yet well described nor simulated. So I sort of know what a nuisance it is. That's what gets me so suspicious of the whole scientific method business. It's so simple that children can do it, yet so diffcult and expensive that a stranger in the field cannot make a breakthrough, not when expensive technology is involved. So it's not that simple after all, scientific method is a pretty idea but implementing it into reality is very diffcult even for professionals.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.