Do you watch anime or something? It'd be really funny if you did.

Dear butterbattle ^_^ :

( Before you explain anything, do you or don't you agree that it is a conflict ? )
 

Which one is true ? Do Sun's rays intersect since the sun is non-point source, or are they parallel ( near-parallel ) ?

 

Let us check the reality to see which one is the right answer ^.^ :

This orthogonal line represents the sun rays / the crepuscular rays ^_^ .. I assume he big circle will vanish totally if the number of the points on the circle constellation is infinity, other wise this circle represents the glow around the the source light ..

Now, this result match with the reality, the only thing I did is to put the point on circular constellation ( though I predicted the result from the beginning before doing the simulation ^_^' ) ..

 

The following figures show the result from the MATLAB simulation ( I'll not talk about the code and you have the right to ask me about it .. I'm just being lazy ~_~ ) .. The first one is the result in 2D :

The second one is in 3D :

where the longest curve is the Z-axis in the animated simulation ..

And the third one is a Top View for the 3D version :

where you can see at the center exactly the brightest point ( the peak of the curve in the first 3D figure ) .. The other white point is due to imperfect circle I made using MATLAB ..

Put in mind that the accumulated peaks, which are result from the constructive interference, will give stronger wave ( the amplitude of the wave >>> the amplitude of individual points ) .. This is again match the reality ^_^

A sun ray even as thin as needle ( I would say a photon ) is way stronger than the photon ( the light ) comes out from the cigar ^_~

Note that my simulation was only in one circle .. You can extend the simulation by imagining enormous number of circles that in total will represent a sphere, where each circle produce an orthogonal ray ( inside the screen and outside the screen ) ^_^

The final result will look like this :

Here is the web page  that I used to do the animated simulation, you can try it yourself ^_^ :

Although scientists have reached result similar to mine when they tried the same method with the lens ( I forgot what they called it >_< ), no body thought about this, as far as I know, when they talk about light sources ..

Thomas Young split a 'combined' light and he observed the re-combination of the light again ~_~ .. The electromagnetic light waves interfere with each other from the original source itself, not after passing through the slits !  That was a re-interference ^_^

You can even see same result without constructive and destructive interferences ( your eye will notice the big circle generated near the end of the frames while the center takes a constant shape ) :

"Any natural source of light is a point source" is right for any closed regular / symmetric shape of light source ( square - rectangular - triangle - flame shape .. etc ) .. The thing is, the result of any multiple points ( independent points ) will be as if the center of all these points is the source that has bigger and larger power .. For irregular shapes, the fighting between the points will be inside the shape, but the waves outside the shape are smooth ..

Of course this thing will even show other wrong explanation that science came up with in other different areas .. But I'll talk about that later ^_^  .. For the time being, if the sun is a huge point source of light, what science says about umbra and penumbra is rubbish ^_~
 

( Just to name another thing, the explanation of the vision will sever a complete damage .. And the psychological explanation of the vision will fall apart consequently ) ..

 
Allow me to stop here ^_^
 

 
According to this ( scientific fact ), we will have 3 situations for any celestial body :

1- The celestial body has exactly the same size of the earth, then the total angle between an observer for the rise and an observer for the set of this celestial body = 180 degree exactly :

 

which also means exactly half of the people on earth can see it, and the other half cannot see it at the same time ..
 

2- The celestial body size is smaller than the size of the earth ( the moon for example ), then the total angle between an observer for the rise and the set of this celestial body < 180 degree :

 

which also means less than half of the people on earth can see it, and more than half cannot see it at the same time ..

3- The celestial body size is larger than the size of the earth ( the sun for example ), then the total angle between an observer for the rise and the set of this celestial body > 180 degree :

 

which also means more than half of the people on earth can see it, and less than half cannot see it at the same time ..

For our case, we care about #3 since it is similar to the sun situation ..

 

Now, consider the huge point source of light ( the sun ) .. Because the sun rays are emitted the way I explained above, The curvature / roundness of the earth doesn't allow that light to reach half of the earth .. It means, the sun enlighten less than half of the earth !

Now, combine #3 with the huge point source sun ^_^ .. What we will end up with ?

If we combined these two information, it means that the tangent line allows the observer  to see the upper part of sun while the curvature blocked the light coming from the center of the sun :

As you can see, the tangent between the upper part and the earth touch the earth in the negative part of imaginary the X-axis while the tangent that comes from the light ( center of the sun ) touch he earth in the positive part of the  imaginary X-axis !

This means I can see the sun prior to its light  .. When the light comes ==> It's the day time .. When there is no light ==> night time !

In other word, If the earth is round ==> I can see ( in normal situations ) the sun during the night time !

Do this happen in the reality ?

The answer is : Never !

Although the difference between both events is very small ( since the sun is very far from the earth, and as the celestial body goes away further, the red tangent will be near-horizontal, but it would never be totally horizontal .. Similarly, the purple tangent will be near-horizontal, but it would never be totally horizontal ) ..

The reality is the other way around ^_~

First, it's nighttime .. Second, it's Dawn time .. Finally, the sun rises ..

So, darkness .. Then, light starts to reach the earth and the dawn phenomenon take place .. At the end, we see the sun after half an hour of dawn ..

You would never ever see the sun prior to it's light, nor you see the sun at the same time you see it's light ^_~

Note that, I've assumed the earth as full circle ( perfect sphere ) .. As science claims, the pole-diameter < equator-diameter ..

This will make the scenario worse >_< .. It will increase the "very small" difference between the two tangents !

Note also, I've neglected the effect of atmospheric refraction .. It will just make the scenario even worse >_<

( I'm doing science lot of favors hehehehehehhehehe ^.^ )

If the roundness of the earth implies that I have to see the sun prior even to the dawn time, and this not happening in reality ==> Earth cannot be round ^_^

Remember, I used scientific facts about every thing .. I came only with the part about the relation between the true horizon and the celestial bodies, which can be concluded easily by using simple geometry math ^_~

If you still have objections, I will be more than happy to hear them ^_^ ( Just don't say it's negligible cause is too lame excuse for such a fatal fault >_< )

If you, by any chance, agreed with me .. Then we will talk about the consequences of this ^_^

That is right ^_^ 

^_^

Your question was :

Hence, we agree with each other ^_~

They are free to do what they want ^_^

The thing is the arrangement of the continents and the distances are not the actual one in the round earth model ^_^

I just mentioned that I don't agree with them about the white circumstance ^_^'

For the Flat Earth Society, this white ring in the wall .. Huge wall of ice that surrounds the globe, and its the edge of the earth ^_^

Again, the I don't assume there is a white wall / mountain around the earth ^_^

As I said, it is beyond my knowledge ^_^'

I haven't flew from North America to China, so I don't know the route ^_^

However, I think they are doing exactly like they do when we fly over the Atlantic Ocean toward Canada at least ^_^

Since I don't know the route for US ==> China, I'll show you the route as it appears in the screen for Frankfort / London ==> Vancouver / Montreal :

So, the plane passes over the Green Land instead of direct path toward Canada !

However, If you applied the same route on the actual round earth / ( suggested ) flat earth map, it will make sense ^_~ :

It's almost a straight line between Frankfort and Vancouver ^_~ ( forget about my poor line, cause I'm just using the mouse + I don't put the route exactly ) ..

Therefore, you will travel mostly in straight line if you go from one country to another ^_^

Would you please name some ^_^ ?

No body travels the globe in actual straight line ^_^

Not Magellan, nor the flights today ^_^

Planes have to stick with map, and the map itself is in circular formation / constellation ^_~

As I just showed you, if you consider the rectangular map, you will not travel in straight line .. However, if you consider the circular map, you will travel in straight line from one place to another, yet you cannot do the same if you want to travel the globe .. You will have to move in circle direction to do so ^_~

Plus, nobody travels without a compass to know where the North is .. To travel is straight line, you shouldn't use any direction equipment, don't even use the sun or the stars to know where you are .. Just keep moving ^_^

I doubt that you can do it without stopping !

But again, even if you can, you still have to carry / use something to help you with the direction .. Once you use it, the method will become invalid ^_^

I can agree no more ^_^ .. I wonder why they don't fly over the north pole .. I will ask a pilot one day ^_^

I've just found this ! Though it's old  :

[font=timesnewroman][size=16][b]I've also checked the Wikipedia, Some flights from NY to China have Polar Route track ^_^ .. It means they fly over the North Pole ( no need to ask a pilot then hehehehehehhehehe )

Still not sure ^_^

I didn't get your point ^_^'

Different sides of the earth = different places you took the picture from ^_^'

It doesn't ^_^

People ( I mean normal people, not NASA nor the astronauts ), can have picture of part of the  earth from exactly same position + same altitude, one shows the horizon straight and the other shows the same horizon curved !

Nope ^_^

I told you that it is a ground / floor and the ceiling, and all celestial bodies are in between .. Thus, you cannot compare the earth to the sun or the moon .. You can compare the earth with the sky ^_~

Don't forget, all things are in between = They are smaller than the sky and smaller than the earth ( yea, sun is smaller than the earth in the flat earth model ^_^ )

If you took picture from plane or from ground, it looks like circle ^_^

Not a sphere ^_~

First, I'll show in brief the limitation of the eyes ^_^

Science, again, claims that I don't see any thing on the earth after the true horizon line because of the curvature of the earth ..

Thus, at least if I looked to a mountain beyond the horizon, I'll see part of it clearly. if the curvature is the only reason ..

Let us apply this for mountains ..  Any observer who looks toward mountains will notice the followings :

1 - As the mountains get away from the observer, the color of the mountains change from green / sandy / stony color to blue color, although they are not at the horizon yet !

2 - The mountains at the horizon points, although they are higher than the level of curvature, the observer can barely see them ( not clearly )!!

( Look at the very back of the last three pictures ..You can barely distinguish mountains from the sky ! )

The conclusion, you cannot see the mountains beyond the horizon although they are above the curvature level of the round earth !

This brings the topic of the limitation of the eyes .. Despite the reason, the fact is as an object moves away from the eye, it tends to vanish !

Not only the color changes, but also the size and height of the object .. Now, Consider the following figure :

Let the origin represents the eye .. the eye can see all four circles .. However, since they are on different distances, the vision angle varies .. It's largest when the object is near the Y-axis and smallest when the the object goes toward ( + infinity ) ..

After showing this, let's move to the horizon .. Imagine the dash-quarter circle is the horizon ( last point you can see when you are on sea level ) and the X-axis is the sea level :

 In normal situation, you cannot see an object beyond horizon .. However, there are factors that affect the vision even for an object beyond the horizon .. Those factors are : 

** The size of object : Since any object looks smaller when it is far from the eye, the size play rule in seeing the object .. If the size was small, it will vanish from the view even before reaching the horizon .. On the other hand, if the object was considerably big ( like the mountain ), the chance too see it is greater .. Yet, another factor has contribution to this, namely the brightness ..

** Light source / brightness or Object : For the objects, they tend to vanish even if  they are big since they are getting the same color of the sky .. For a powerful source of light on a mountain, you still can see it as long as it is have certain level of altitude ..

** Altitude : In general, as the object get higher, it has better chance to be seen ( as long as it satisfies the other two conditions ) ..

Ok .. The last figure shows that the object which is beyond the horizon will be seen on the horizon itself .. However, the level will be lower and the size will be smaller ..

As the object goes to infinity, the angle between the object and the eye get smaller, and the image of the object will approach the X-axis ( as the angle approaches zero ), until it get nears the X-axis ( the angle is almost zero ) where it vanish completely ^_^

As the object moves toward the observer ( or the observer move toward the object ), the image of the object will rise from the X-axis ( or near X-axis ) in circular path .. Hence it appears like the object itself is rising from seal level / ground level where in fact the object is only approaching ^_~

This is the situation of the sun ^_^ .. At the sea level, you can see up to 4 km ( 4 - 5 km ) .. If you are in US and the Sun is above India, you cannot see the sun despite how higher it is, how bright it is, and how big it is .. Once the sun reaches the Atlantic Ocean, eastern part of US will start too observe the sun rising from the sea level ( while it is actually in the sky of the flat earth ) as the sun move toward US ..

Why the sun rays cannot reach US even if the sun in Asia .. Very simple, the sun can lighten half of the flat earth ( remember that the sun is smaller than the earth + it is not as far as science says ! ) .. It is like when you hold a torch and enter a huge cave or hall .. The torch will no be able to lighten the whole place .. Rather it lightens part of the place, depending on it's power ^_^

That is how you see the sun rising from sea level while it's actually orbiting above the globe in the flat earth model ^_^

Opps, forget to mention something ! As your level increase ( you go up by any means ) your horizon point will change and the quarter circle will expand .. Thus, you can even see the sun before someone on the see level see it .. And the great things is you see it above the see level when the one on the sea level cannot see it yet ^.^

I hope this answers you and BobSpence1 ^_^

Some of them, I feel are man made pictures .. The others, as I told you, it's due to the lens or due to the limitation of the lens / camera / eyes ..

Obviously, this is a man made video / animation ^_^'

In the previous link ( the 6 min video ), at time 1:25 - 1:37, the video shows the earth like it's rotating .. When you want to show that earth is rotating, you have to fixed the camera to observe the rotation .. If you fixed the camera, no matter how long you will keep recording, the amount of light from your view is fixed + The sun position ( with respect to you ) is fixed too ..

However, neither the lighten portion is fixed, nor the sun position is fixed !

If we assumed a fixed position of the camera in that part of the video, we will see the sun is coming up ( which contradicts with the scientific facts that the sun is in fixed position with respect to earth ) + We will see the lighten part of the earth is moving toward the viewer / camera ..

If non of these should happen, then we have to choices : 1 - The camera is moving not the earth ==> What are you arguing about ^_^'

2 - The camera is fixed, but the whole footage is a man made ^_^

Choose any one you like ^_^

And the same is applied for other scenes .. However, there are no enough details to prove that is it's man made ^_^

It's not applied to the earth only ^_^

It's applicable to any thing at the horizon / end point ^_^

The same reason you are seeing people here as they are ( although the distortion here is quite big ! ) :

Ironically, the second picture shows the earth is curved in the opposite direction heheheheheheheh ^.^

Yes, of course I do ^_^

I has been watching Anime since my childhood ^_^

Why is it funny ^_^' ?

^_^

Ja ne ~

Fellas... please stop discussing science with people who, despite no matter how much evidence you offer them will never recognize it as truth for their limited frontal lobes have caused them to reason that knowledge = evil....

You're right mr. whoever you are...The earth is flat,  the sun hovers in the sky, and I promise that I won't cum in your mail.

 The person has already casually waved off direct evidence. This conversation can only go downhill from here.

 Rich, I have to agree.

It is really hard to believe that such a conversation as this thread would be taking place in the 21st Century.

I think the parallel is quite appropriate, actually.

Both got surrounded by water but not flooded.

Dear latincnnuck ^_^ :

^_^

Nope .. I understand very well ^_^

Go a head ^_^

How ^_^ ?

Period ^_^

Reality = Adjective ..

evidence = Subject ..

I'm glad you now know that evidence is not reality ^_^

But wrong again >_< .. Scientific statements are backed by evidence ( not reality ) .. Reality is obvious to everyone .. Anything against reality must be explained properly, otherwise it's wrong ^_^

ya ya ya ~_~

Like non-point source Vs near-parallel rays, right ^_~ ?

hehehehhehhehehe

Who knows ^_^

Until now, I hold the upper hand ^_~

Who knows ^_^

Who knows ^_^

I didn't understand this ^_^

But I think I've already explained the technique .. If you want, ask butter ^_^

^_^
 

Even in the round earth model, there is an edge for the universe which we couldn't pass either ^_^

The difference is you put the edge faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away that no one could think to do the the edge of the universe ^_^

 

You don't have any idea about satellites ^_^

Wrong ^_^

That what you have assumed ^_~

The flat earth is not a planet .. Nor there is "our solar system" .. Earth is the floor of the secular life .. Earth is no floating in space .. You cannot go beneath earth .. There are 7 earths ( on top of each other ) and 7 skies ( on top of each other ) .. We are in the highest earth and facing the lowest sky ..

You cannot assume a model you imagine and start to attack you model ^_^

You have to stick with what I told you ^_^

This is the whole point ^_^

Since it is no logic for all planets to be round while the earth is flat, the earth cannot be created by nature .. There is someone who created earth flat and made the planets round .. He is the God ^_~

If I understand this sentence right, you are saying all evidence has proved earth is round and any attempt to prove earth flat has failed .. That is what do you want to say ^_^ ?
 

I'm not sure about the attempts / evidence to prove earth is flat .. No body tried too .. The ancient idea was earth is flat, and the some 'scientists' created their own model ( the round model ) and started to 'enlighten' people !

No body fought them back scientifically .. All what ancient people did is to say it contradicts with our believe ==> It's wrong >_<

( This not what I'm doing btw ^_^ .. I'm going to take science DOWN scientifically ^_~ )

Indeed ^_^
 

If ( and I'm saying If ) the earth is spherical, then my belief is wrong .. And I should look for another belief or become atheist ( I've already said that in different way though ~_~ ) ..

Essential part of my believe that the God is omniscient .. If he wasn't, he doesn't deserve to be worshiped  >_<

Hence, this will destroy my belief ^_^

Wrong ^_^
 

I re-evaluate the scientific facts ^_~

Wrong again ^_^

I take evidences into consideration, And either I prove their invalidity or I offer better explanation that match the reality ^_^

I doubt that ^_^

The video shows earth is geocentric !
 

But people don't pay attention to details >_<

Any flat surface like a wall can be turned into spherical by a lens ^_^

I didn't say you cannot observe a spherical earth .. I'm saying the is no spherical earth to be observed hehehehehehhe ^.^

^_^

Like sun rays for example ^_^ ?

Because you haven't tried to explain it based on flat earth model + you are not giving it a chance + you are not welling too ^_~

And if, by any chance, tried to explain it from flat earth perspective, don't assume any thing ^_^

 

Yes it is ^_^

 

Nope .. The scientific method is the "way" or "strategy" that science work upon ^_^
 

^_^

It's called a method ^_^ .. Method = way to do something = strategy to do something ^_~
 

Evidence are the tool to prove your self right or wrong ^_^

Nope ^_^

You try to know something that you don't know .. However the holy book is giving you the answer directly because the creator is God and he knows what he created + the holy book is giving you the answer from omniscient perspective ^_~

^_^

Yet, till now, I haven't said earth is flat because my holy book say so ^_^
 

I'm telling you earth is flat because the round model has many conflicts with its own parts + has conflicts with reality ^_^

You are, theists, the one who kept saying I'm true because of my holy book .. I haven't said that ^_^

Did you even get the point ~_~ ?

Period ^_^

So this is reality, despite the explanation ^_^
 

This is explanation -_-'

Explanation again -_-'

Explanation might be right might be wrong .. You claim it's 120% right .. It's a 'fact' .. All these are fine with me .. But Don't call it reality ^_^
 

ya ya ya ^_^
 

Nope ^_^

I didn't say that ^_^

Why are you talking in behalf of me ^_^' ?

 

hehehehehehheheheheheh

Although I haven't proved your point, but you are welcome anyway ^_^

* Sigh *

hehehehehhehehe

In the same way, just because earth appears as a sphere from outer-space, it does not mean it really is ^_~
 

But in fact, it seems, somehow that you can see earth spherical, from outer-space which is reality .. But, it need to be explained if we assume a flat earth model ^_^

And the proper explanation is " sun a non-point source" although the rays are parallel !

Of course it did hehehhehehehhehhe

The funny thing is, when it's required to use the parallel rays, science uses it ^_^ .. When the non-point source are in need, the science uses it ^_^
 

Your science is miserable ^_^

ya ya ya ^_^

^_^

Nope ^_^

Scientific theories are not scientific facts ^_^
 

And scientific facts are not necessary facts ^_^

Quote from wiki :

Do you really know how to distinguish between scientific terms, or are you just blindly defending science without knowing what you are talking about ~_~ ?

* Sigh *
 

I meant he struggles to prove it to the people / church ^_^
 

Sorry, I didn't clarify that ^_^

If it suppressed it without a debate ==> The church didn't struggle .. It just used the simplest method ^_^

Hence, Galileo struggled ^_^

He struggled ^_^

^_^

I meant why do I have to explain the terms to you ^_^'
 

hehehehhehehehhehehe

For the ( i don't know how many ) times, I haven't claim that earth is flat because my God or holy book or prophet said that .. It's flat because it can explains all major phenomena while the the round earth fails too ^_^

 

So, there are two reasons ( one is the ability to explain / match up with .. the other is round earth model fails to ) .. Only one is not enough ^_^

I wonder ^_^

It's again science's statement .. I didn't say there is only one scientific explanation !

But, logically, when science claims that its explanation is a fact, I wonder how can it be wrong afterwords ?

Therefore, there are only 2 ^_^
 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAh !
 

Finally, at least you understand that I may believe there are 2 ^.^

Good progress ^_^

I agree with you ^_^

But I'm putting the 2 possibilities for a reason ^_~

If science, after my assessment, is right, then I'll become an atheist ^_^

If science, after my assessment, is wrong, then I'll bring science and atheism down ^_^

Fair and square ^_^

 

My assessment will be based on 'scientific methods' not on 'belief' ^_^
 

Because you are wrong hehehehehehhehe ^_^

* Sigh *

* Sigh *
 

You are welcome ^_^

* Sigh *

hehehhehehehheheh

And when I start to bring your science down, you lost your temper hehehehhehehe

^_^


 

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Dear Atheistextremist ^_^ :

Of course I believe it ^_^

hehehehheheheh

Is this your challenge ^_^ ?

^_^

^_^

And ^_^ ?

^_^

Is this the best you can do ^_^ ?

Note that, as I said before, I will not use the Qura'an or any Islamic narrations ^_^ .. I've used only mathematics to face your science .. Can you do the same and prove me wrong ^_^ ?

^_^

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Dear Bob ^_^ :

That's a big talk !

The brightness doesn't change 'noticeably' O_o !

Then tell me why you cannot look at the sun at noon with the naked eyes while you can see it clearly before the sunrise and the sunset ?!

Do you even think before you reply ?

Btw, the sun in the second picture tends to vanish waaaay above the horizon line ^_~

Wrong ^_^ .. This is not the only way ^_~

It can go dark if the ray cannot reach faraway places ^_^

Again, you have to stick with my explanation to refute my point .. And I've told you the the sun is smaller than earth in the flat earth model, and it's like giant torch which has the ability to lighten half of the flat earth only ^_^

Which the second picture tells you that you are wrong ^_^

And this a present for you ^_^ :

This is according to round earth model, and it's a scientific explanation ^_~

Oh ! and here is another one which was taken recently ( 2 days ago ) in my city ^_~ :

"Brightness doesn't change noticeably ", teh !
 

Would you please observe the sunset for once before talking about what you don't know ^_^'

Are you telling me something I don't know, or are you trying to refute my point ^_^ ?

Then solve the 'puzzle' I made in my previous post if you are so confident about your round earth ^_^

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH !

Previously, you understood what I said, and you asked :

But now, you are talking about "underneath" while I was clear to butter that it is above not underneath ^_~

I wonder whyyyyyyyyy ^_~

hehehehhehehehehhehe
 

Because you've assumed that the sun goes under the flat earth ^_^

Allow me to analyze what happened ^_^

In your first post, although you didn't show your tone, your question wasn't to know the answer since you really believed that I'm just bluffing .. You might expected stupid answer with no supporting or evidence .. Or even you might didn't expect any answer at all ^_~

Your purpose of the question was to give me a hint about the meaning of what I'm saying ( You know there is way that the sun is up and someone can see it at the sea level ) .. Or to just "bust" me ^_^

Let us check what you have said again :

Nope, you weren't wondering ^_^ .. You were confident that I cannot explain it ^_~

And then :

I can imagine you stressing on this part or doing a 'quotation move' with your fingers

And the last thing :

Three question marks to give me a message that you are asking me to do the impossible ^_~

You wouldn't imagine that I might answer the question .. When I did, you couldn't refute me back ( you already wouldn't expect such respond hehehehehhehehehe ^.^ ) .. Therefore, you have twisted the thing to come up with new argument ( that the sun goes beneath the earth, and that cannot  be true since the globe doesn't experience darkness at the same time ! ) which is not what I've been saying ^_~

^.^

 Why are you telling me this ^_^ ?

I believe the geocentric model ( with spherical earth ) easily explains all what we see as well ^_^

However, the geocentric model is not accepted ^_^ .. Henceforth, the issue is not about which model explains all phenomena easily .. The issue is which model has no flaws ^_~

Leave this troubles to me ^_~

^_^

The geocentric model would fit the Islamic idea about the sun and the moon ^_^

Yet, I didn't consider it as the right explanation ^_~ .. Thus, it's not about the Islamic idea, it's about what is the truth ^.^

^_^

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Dear Rich Woods ^_^ :

Clown ^_^

^_^

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Dear latincanuck ^_^ :

hehehehhehehhehehehehhe

You've lost your temper now hehehehehhehehe

^.^

I don't remember that I said 'only' ^_^

Those two are suggested explanations ^_^

There might be another reason, who knows ^_~

I know ^_^

But the pictures I posted to show butter that the camera can show curved horizon while the near objects appear normal ^_^

If I want to tell you abut the affects of concave-convex lenses, I'll bring you the scientific facts about the lens and the way they correct the distortion in telescopes ^_^

hehehehehhehehehe

This is what I'm arguing about  ^_^ .. I didn't say they lied about what they saw or the photos were faked ^_^'

I'm saying there is a reason for the curvature of the earth, and it's related to the eye / lens / limitation and not related to the earth itself ^_~

But I've just shown the limitation of the eyes ^_^

You are missing the point ^_^

You don't see the spherical shape while you are on earth because you haven't reached the limit of your eyes yet ^_^

You actually see the disc-shape while you are on sea level or in the plane if you had the chance to look at the horizon with nothing in the way that blocks the way to horizon ^_^

Nope ^_^

I'm either discussing them ( finding explanations ) or refuting the ( pointing flaws ) ^_~

Nope ^_^

I realized you are raging with angry hehehehehehehehhe

The pictures of the mountains show the mountains at the horizon are barely to be seen .. This tells you that you might not see a big mountain beyong the horizon not because the earth is round but because it vanishes ( something to do with light / eyes / colors etc ) ^_^

I don't know any scientific reason for ""color changing" .. Put in mind that there are no clouds that block the view ^_~

It doesn't prove you .. It actually proves that there is flaw in round earth's explanation for the disappearing of objects ^_~

Nope .. You don't ^_^ 

Nope .. This actually proves you know nothing + You don't try to understand hehehehheheheheheh

But my explanations gives you the reason clearly ^_~

It's you problem that you don't understand .. Not mine ^_~

That would happen in a flat earth model too ^_^

Yet, the spherical model didn't explain the change in the color while my model put in into account ^_~

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You are just like an angry kid who like to twist everything  hehehehehehehhe

Is this all what you have ^_^ ?

Show me at least where I did the mistake in taking down your spherical earth .. That is, if there is any ^_~

OOOOOOOOOH ^_^

So, if there is a geostationary satellites, does it mean earth is not rotating ^_^ ?

Let us check ^.^ :

Of course, if you assume the earth rotates ==> The geosynchronous satellites are rotating in synchronization movement with the earth ..

If you assume earth is flat / fixed ==> The geosynchronous satellites are fixed too ^.^

The result of the two are the same, these kind of satellites remain in fixed position in the sky ^_^

And they are famous ^_^ :

Btw, all these quotations are from Wikipedia ^_^